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General Discussions => Spunk => Topic started by: davepeck on September 18, 2005, 11:54:56 am
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I don\'t think they should be banned. MAYBE resticted, perhaps you should have a license or something. That would be tough to enforce though. They do get huge (I think some buyers have no idea how big, when they pick up a 21" baby burm...) and they can be dangerous. But so can pitbulls (and regular bulls for that matter!)
But yes, bad bad press for reptile lovers, and you do make a good point that no one is freaking out over, say, green tree pythons. ;)
The place I go in nashua (RJs Exotics) sells an astounding number of baby burms and retics, as well as alligators, caymans (sp?) etc. I was suprised and a bit alarmed when the owner told me how many he sells. They had an anaconda for sale in there last time I was in which scared the bejesus out of me.
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I am pro snake hobbiest yet anti snake....
that is a crazy story, but it doesn\'t suprise me that there are idiots out there who smear the reputation of respectable snake entheusiasts....
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I do not like cats, at all, but all of this bad press is no good for snake hobbyists!
Personally, I\'m of the opinion that large snakes SHOULD be banned, or at least restricted, just like any other large predator (big cats, bears, etc). There are just too many people who buy them on impulse (they are surprisingly cheap as babies) only to realize what they\'ve gotten themselves into after it\'s too late, and no one will take the animal off their hands... then **** like this happens. You never hear bad press about small, non-venomous species... it\'s the big monsters that will eventually lead to the entire hobby being made illegal.
Here\'s the article........
MIAMI (AFP) - A Burmese python with a suspicious bulge in its belly will be x-rayed to confirm if it swallowed a family\'s Siamese cat, local authorities in the US state of Florida said on Monday.
The python, three-a-half meters (12 feet) long, was found on Sunday with a large protusion in its digestive tract near the Rodriguez family\'s home outside of Miami.
Puzzled by the disappearance of its one-year old pet feline, Frances, the family feared the worst.
"I am sure there\'s a cat in there," Andres, one of the family\'s sons, told local media.
His mother, Elidia, was worried but wanted proof about the fate of Frances. "I still would like to know for sure that it\'s him in the snake\'s stomach," she said.
Captain Al Cruz, of the Miami-Dade Fire Rescue antivenin unit, told AFP that the reptile would be taken to a state park, where it will be x-rayed to determine if the Siamese cat had met an unfortunate end.
Another python made headlines last week. That snake, which was four meters (12.5-foot) in length, burst after trying to ingest an alligator in the Everglades National Park.
The presence of the large snakes, which can reach seven meters (24 feet) in length, has alarmed biologists in the Everglades because they pose a threat to native alligators, which are the principal predators in the regional ecosystem.
Many Florida residents adopt pythons as pets but abandon them later when they grow too big. Seven or eight pythons are found annually in the county, Cruz said.
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Yeah this is really bad for the reptile-loving community as a whole. Burms and also reticulated pythons can get huge. When they are little they seem cute and manageable, but when they get bigger people don\'t wat them anymore and they set them free. A snake like that can have a shitload of hatchlings, and they thrive in the Florida environment.
Also in the news a couple of days ago was a snake, I believe a burmese python, who ate a cat. The 66 year old lady who owned the cat is freaking out.
I am sure in Florida laws are now being discussed to regulate or ban big snakes like burms and retics. It\'s really too bad that some irresponsible people are giving a whole community a bad name. They are really beautiful animals and it would be a shame if responsible owners could not legally have them.
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:rimshot:
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rotfl talk about biting off more than u can chew! :lol:
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Since this seems to be the official .info reptile thread, I thought this would go well here:
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MIAMI - The alligator has some foreign competition at the top of the Everglades food chain, and the results of the struggle are horror-movie messy.
A 13-foot Burmese python recently burst after it apparently tried to swallow a live, six-foot alligator whole, authorities said.
The incident has heightened biologists? fears that the nonnative snakes could threaten a host of other animal species in the Everglades.
It means nothing in the Everglades is safe from pythons, a top-down predator,? said Frank Mazzotti, a University of Florida wildlife professor.
Over the years, many pythons have been abandoned in the Everglades by pet owners.
The gory evidence of the latest gator-python encounter ? the fourth documented in the past three years ? was discovered and photographed last week by a helicopter pilot and wildlife researcher.
The snake was found with the gator?s hindquarters protruding from its midsection. Mazzotti said the alligator may have clawed at the python?s stomach as the snake tried to digest it.
In previous incidents, the alligator won or the battle was an apparent draw.
?There had been some hope that alligators can control Burmese pythons,? Mazzotti said. ?This indicates to me it?s going to be an even draw. Sometimes alligators are going to win and sometimes the python will win.?
It is unknown how many pythons are competing with the thousands of alligators in the Everglades, but at least 150 have been captured in the past two years, said Joe Wasilewski, a wildlife biologist and crocodile tracker.
Pythons could threaten many smaller species that conservationists are trying to protect, including other reptiles, otters, squirrels, woodstorks and sparrows, Mazzotti said.
Wasilewski said a 10- or 20-foot python also could pose a risk to an unwary human, especially a child. He added, however, ?I don?t think this is an imminent threat. This is not a ?Be afraid, be very afraid? situation.?
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I can\'t believe a snake tried to eat an alligator and exploded. Damn non-native species.
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Yeah habitats reall;y look much better with real plants. Any suggestions for desert species?
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with plants... should look better after they get a chance to grow in.
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Hmm well when I go about getting some new critters I may ask for your help with this.
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That looks awesome Marcial.
I have yet to be brave or dedicated enough to try live plants in with my guys. I am so afraid of screwing something up.
nah... nothing to it... once you get it established, it pretty much takes care of itself...
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Oh my god.
PEOPLE please don\'t buy pets before you know what you are getting into. I am feeling guilty enough for leaving animals in the care of someone who was obviously not competant enough to take care of them. But at least I took good care of them myself. That is a really terrible story of being seriously irresponsible.
Also, why would a carnivorous animal eat vegetables? Jesus...
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:thumbsup:That\'s so cool! (ok, a little freaky, but cool!)
My own past experience with reptiles ended on a sour note...
In college I bought 4 lizards from Petco... not realizing that I needed to feed them LIVE crickets! (hey, before I get any "blonde" jokes, I was 17...) So I couldn\'t bear to feed these poor, innocent crickets to my lizards, and my cute & spunky lizards died a slow, painful death. I tried giving them lettuce & other random table scraps, but they refused. They went from green to brown in about 4 days :(
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That looks awesome Marcial.
I have yet to be brave or dedicated enough to try live plants in with my guys. I am so afraid of screwing something up.
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Here\'s a new little project that I\'ve been planning for a while, but am just bringing to fruition.... a new home for my spotted turtles. I just built the stand & filled it up this weekend.... plan to have a ton of live plants and a small population of livebearing fish so they can have something to chase / catch / snack on. The empty side is going to be filled up with dirt for a land area, and I\'m going to try my luck with some carnivorous pitcher plants... very little shop of horrors-ish... I love it!
Joc... yep... no food or water for 2 weeks will usually have that effect... sorry to hear it.
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That sucks, Jocelyn! What the hell happened? It is tough to kill a healthy reptile in 2 weeks... they must have let them get too hot or too cold. Either way, I\'m sorry to hear that.
Mark, I always knew you were as cool as they come.
Well my bearded was looking pretty old and frail, but the others were healthy.
Exboyfriend didn\'t feed them, water them, or turn the lights on in the daytime. Shoulda put the lights on a timer. But for a handful of tanks, not really necessary.... they were all plugged into one thingie. Just had to flip a switch.
My guess is the water was the problem.
I had one gecko that lived but he died shortly after I got back, I think due to a broken heart since his girlfriend passed away. (lol, that doesn\'t happen with herps does it? he he)
On second thought, maybe they had some sort of disease? I don\'t know. Looked dehydrated to me.
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yay Marcial :thumbsup:
You can appreciate how terrible this is- all of my lizards and my 2 snakes were killed by the person who was in charge of taking care of them for 2 weeks. :(
Damn the reptilesitter. Sorry to hear this has happend...P&S sad.....
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what a beautiful creature! I think that\'s good luck, Dave.
:)
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That sucks, Jocelyn! What the hell happened? It is tough to kill a healthy reptile in 2 weeks... they must have let them get too hot or too cold. Either way, I\'m sorry to hear that.
Mark, I always knew you were as cool as they come.
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Go take some more muscle relaxers you perv!
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< < Loves trouser snakes and horney toads.
there, all fixed! ;)
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< < Loves reptiles and amphibians.
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yay Marcial :thumbsup:
You can appreciate how terrible this is- all of my lizards and my 2 snakes were killed by the person who was in charge of taking care of them for 2 weeks. :(
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Peck, nice job on the nature photography... looks like you found yourself a gray treefrog (Hyla versicolor), and a beautiful example taboot... I mean, just check out that lovely shade of orange coming up from under the posterior legs... what a little beauty!
Come on now Mama, scared of a ringneck? That is about the whimpiest snake out there.... and for the record, snakes are not gooey or slimey. They are dry & feel like a piece of fine leather.
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Dave...your not licking frogs again???
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The other night I was in the garage and noticed a tail sticking out of the open bag of dog food. A opossum was in it chowing down.
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Sounds like the start of one of the seven plagues. Just apply some lamb\'s blood to your door-frame and that should clear right up.
and if the lambs blood doesnt work youll have to sacrafice your first born son, thats sure to keep the boils of your body and deter the locusts
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Sounds like the start of one of the seven plagues. Just apply some lamb\'s blood to your door-frame and that should clear right up.
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I get tree frogs all over my window screens at night...they just stick there for hours.
You live in a tree? Cool
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I get tree frogs all over my window screens at night...they just stick there for hours.
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sounds nice except for all the creepy crawlys
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Mama, Do you live near a swamp our some kind of wetlands? Make sure you\'r careful. Don\'t want to get bit by anything.........Cool frog tho. Could be a good luck thing. Not sure about that snake. Don\'t really like those things
it makes sense..there\'s a pool behind my house and a little rivine that runs through my backyard and i live within a 1/4 mile of a lake. we just moved here and the frogs are ok..but i am not a fan of snakes at all. i hate all slithery gooey creatures, we also have some intense slugs. :wacko:
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I actually had to google Mud Room. I had never heard of such a thing. I at first thought maybe it was a pottery room just named a mud room. Nope. Weird to have a room like that. Guess you need it in places where the weather actually changes.
It\'s just what they call a small entrance room before you acually enter the house. Should be called a shoe room.IMO
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I actually had to google Mud Room. I had never heard of such a thing. I at first thought maybe it was a pottery room just named a mud room. Nope. Weird to have a room like that. Guess you need it in places where the weather actually changes.
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Mama, Do you live near a swamp our some kind of wetlands? Make sure you\'r careful. Don\'t want to get bit by anything.........Cool frog tho. Could be a good luck thing. Not sure about that snake. Don\'t really like those things
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dave, i know how you feel..i just moved into a new house and there are literally frogs everywhere. i actually ran over one in my driveway on friday :( i thought it was as leaf!!!!!
but regardless, something horrible happened yesterday and i found a baby snake in my basement..i had to call this guy to get rid of it who i really didn\'t want to see but i knew that he likes those disgusting creatures and taht he would come over.
didn\'t take a pic, but this is the kind of snake (northern ringneck)
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that is weird. i\'d have screamed and ran away.
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and as i\'m pulling into the driveway, i notice something very large on our mud room door, which i\'m thinking is a HUGE insect..
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so i get out of the car and go check it out.. low and behold...
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how on earth did this thing just climb up the door and just stick there?? i haven\'t gone out today yet to see if it\'s still there or not, but...
weird..