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General Discussions => Spunk => Topic started by: Stephengencs on August 31, 2005, 05:02:21 pm
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I\'ve been to 3 of Chicago\'s big, fancy pizza restaurants and they were all fantastic. I didn\'t go to Uno\'s because I figured I could get that anywhere, gotta check out the independents. I\'m not sure I would take any of the Chicago restaurants over New Haven, but it\'s hard to say when you eat them weeks apart and the styles are so different. Comparing Chicago deep dish with New Haven brick-oven thin crust is like comparing The Breakfast with The Slip. It\'s the same thing, but the styles are so different that it\'s almost not worth your time comparing them. Bottom line though, Chicago is worthy of much respect for their pizza, and anyone who goes there should have "eat at independent pizza restaurant" high on their priority list.
good way of puttin it.
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I\'ve been to 3 of Chicago\'s big, fancy pizza restaurants and they were all fantastic. I didn\'t go to Uno\'s because I figured I could get that anywhere, gotta check out the independents. I\'m not sure I would take any of the Chicago restaurants over New Haven, but it\'s hard to say when you eat them weeks apart and the styles are so different. Comparing Chicago deep dish with New Haven brick-oven thin crust is like comparing The Breakfast with The Slip. It\'s the same thing, but the styles are so different that it\'s almost not worth your time comparing them. Bottom line though, Chicago is worthy of much respect for their pizza, and anyone who goes there should have "eat at independent pizza restaurant" high on their priority list.
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if theres a better one i dont know about it.
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LOL
as you know, I was just teasing.
I am SER though about taking me to the best Chicago Pizza joint.
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sorry spacey, that was not directed to you, dont know why i took your quote rather than the others talkin smack.
When the breakfast comes back to Chicago, you will have to point me in the right direction of this pizza. Cool?
absolutely man.
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I didn\'t get it wrong. I was just asking an informative question. Those other .infoers are the wrong ones ;)
I asked because like your answer tells me, it is not a chain restaurant and that is what I thought.
Having never heard real Chicago deep dish pizza or real chicago pizza, I have no say how good it is. However, the LA County Fire Department, according to a Food Network program last evening that I caught, chose NY over Chicago.
When the breakfast comes back to Chicago, you will have to point me in the right direction of this pizza. Cool?
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Is UNO\'s a chain restaurant in Chicago?
you got it all wrong.. ive eaten the chain Uno\'s before, it blows. in the heart of the city they have the original Uno\'s and Due\'s kiddycorner from each other. the chain doesnt even have the same pizza, its a **** crime that it carries the same name. if you\'re ever in Chicago you have to go to the original Uno\'s or Due\'s, i promise this **** is incredible. i agree, the chain is brutal, ate there once and will never go back.
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wolfy, from what i hear the pizza is prepared differently at the real unos in chicago than it is at the chain across the country. the ingredients are pretty much the same, however.
gordo, ill take your word for it that the pizza is ser at the chicago unos even though i have had it at the unos here and it wasnt that great. i would probably settle for it if i was hanging out with some unser pizza eaters that wanted to go, but not without a fight.
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Uno\'s...the dankest pizza I HAVE EVER EATEN.
OOF. You might as well say that Applebee\'s makes the best burger you\'ve ever had. Uno\'s is a huge national chain. Their pizza isn\'t bad, in fact in can be quite tasty. But at the end of the day, their pizza is still mass-produced in a factory, freeze-dried, and shipped to their locations all over the USA for reheating and serving. It is made by clueless teenagers reading instructions off of a sheet as opposed to bona-fide Italians who have owned their store for generations and made millions of pizzas. Uno\'s does a good job with what they do and they get the pizza to taste good everywhere, but when 800 Uno\'s all manage to serve pizza that is exactly the same, you know something is wrong. Only the most severe Chicago provincialism could lead someone to say that Uno\'s is the best pizza. I feel bad for you bro. Come out to New Haven next time next time there are shows and we\'ll take you out for real pizza.
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There is tremendous competition for your food dollars in NYC. That alone forces food places to either be affordable and good or expensive and great.
Great point. Pretty much anywhere on earth the theory of supply and demand reigns supreme. But in New York, even a theory as mighty as this one gets pushed around. That\'s not to say it\'s out the window by any means. It\'s prevalent every day in New York. But there are enough unique and outstanding forces acting upon the New York market to severely dampen the strength of supply and demand.
1. New York loves the hot trendy thing. Hot trendy things are usually priced higher than the nearest similar version. A pizza restaurant (or anything else) in New York will often raise the price to enhance the perceived value. When two pizza restaurants are a block or two apart and making virtually the same pie for the same price, one is very likely to raise their price so that they are perceived as being higher quality.
2. New York is a **** to get around. Conveniece plays a monstrous role, especially when it comes to low-cost convenience items such as pizza. Residents, especially in Manhattan, walk to everything. There is enough money going around (at least in Manhattan) to negate much of the advantage of being lower-cost. Being priced lower than the guy 5 blocks down doesn\'t do you much good if nobody\'s going to walk the extra 5 blocks to save $2 anyways. This removes a lot of incentive to be lower priced.
3. On any given day, half of the people in Manhattan are tourists. The vast majority of them are not out to price shop. It requires far too much effort. Whatever it is they are looking for, they will almost always take the first thing they see regardless of price. This is incentive for stores to keep prices up. In addition, those people who do end up choosing from similar alternatives based on price are just as likely to go to the higher priced option for perceived quality as they are to go to the lower priced option to save a few dollars. Again, more incentive to keep prices up.
BTW for those who it matters to, when I say New York I pretty much mean "Manhattan" since that\'s where I lived and it\'s what everyone from outside thinks of when they hear "New York." I\'m sure there\'s plenty of good pie in the other boroughs.
Locals will find and patronize quality restaurants. They will try new establishments but word gets out fast whether it is worth spending your money there. Not every part of Manhattan sees as many tourists as Times Square.
Real estate prices mandate that you do a high volume of business for a sustained time. Mediocre does not tend to last long unless you are somewhere like Times Square where advertising plays a bigger role than quality or you are in a place like Central Park where availability is your biggest selling point. I still can\'t believe that people eat hot dogs from cart vendors.
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Is UNO\'s a chain restaurant in Chicago?
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Gordo, Uno\'s is a chain restaurant, we have them in the northeast, and their so-called Chicago brick oven pizza is pretty awful.
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you guys are all ****. eat a slice of Uno\'s, Giordano\'s from Chi-town and you\'ll all shove this debate up your brown-eyes. hope it happens, cuz you\'ll know the truth then. however, realize that relativism might play a huge role here and no matter what ill probably never enjoy CT za as much as chicago\'s........ and vice versa,,, obviously.
just read the last couple posts before mine, dude its like $16-$18 for a large at Uno\'s for thee dankest pizza I HAVE EVER EATEN.
ya better put some water on that daamn ****.
Hooray beer.
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There is tremendous competition for your food dollars in NYC. That alone forces food places to either be affordable and good or expensive and great.
Great point. Pretty much anywhere on earth the theory of supply and demand reigns supreme. But in New York, even a theory as mighty as this one gets pushed around. That\'s not to say it\'s out the window by any means. It\'s prevalent every day in New York. But there are enough unique and outstanding forces acting upon the New York market to severely dampen the strength of supply and demand.
1. New York loves the hot trendy thing. Hot trendy things are usually priced higher than the nearest similar version. A pizza restaurant (or anything else) in New York will often raise the price to enhance the perceived value. When two pizza restaurants are a block or two apart and making virtually the same pie for the same price, one is very likely to raise their price so that they are perceived as being higher quality.
2. New York is a **** to get around. Conveniece plays a monstrous role, especially when it comes to low-cost convenience items such as pizza. Residents, especially in Manhattan, walk to everything. There is enough money going around (at least in Manhattan) to negate much of the advantage of being lower-cost. Being priced lower than the guy 5 blocks down doesn\'t do you much good if nobody\'s going to walk the extra 5 blocks to save $2 anyways. This removes a lot of incentive to be lower priced.
3. On any given day, half of the people in Manhattan are tourists. The vast majority of them are not out to price shop. It requires far too much effort. Whatever it is they are looking for, they will almost always take the first thing they see regardless of price. This is incentive for stores to keep prices up. In addition, those people who do end up choosing from similar alternatives based on price are just as likely to go to the higher priced option for perceived quality as they are to go to the lower priced option to save a few dollars. Again, more incentive to keep prices up.
BTW for those who it matters to, when I say New York I pretty much mean "Manhattan" since that\'s where I lived and it\'s what everyone from outside thinks of when they hear "New York." I\'m sure there\'s plenty of good pie in the other boroughs.
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ah what a debate. i must say that i feel like whenever somebody says nyc they mean manhattan. maybe im wrong but im just sayin. especially when you say a pie was thirty bucks. i havent ever seen a large pie with two toppings go for over twenty in queens or bk, both of which places i have extensive knowledge. i had sally\'s pie while i was in nh one day, it was delicious must admit, but i dont think it compares to a slice of sals in williamsburg (lorimer st). where ive seen cops double park and make patrons move their cars so they can eat there. i feel like pizzia outside of manhattan hasnt been tainted with tourists, since no toursit is gonna go to williamsburg or myrtle ave in queens to try pizzia.
as for the water thihg, i am almost positve only seventy five percent of croton res. goes to the city, the rest we get to keep. i also remember seeing a water taste testing possibly on the today show or something stupid. it was nyc water which is really westchester water, and like evian or something equivilent and nyc water was perferred overwhelmingly. the northeast has best water hands down, cant get a good bagel anywhere outside new england, which is a shame since im in montana
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Wolf I think your arguments are sound but where the hell u paying that kind of DOUGH (heheh, ya im gay) in NY or NYC for a pizza !
30 - 40 dollars for a large ? Even in Westchester they only charge like 16bucks for a large plain.
I actually shared a pizza with a friend that cost $29.80. It was an x-large with about 5 or 6 toppings. The name of the place was actually New York Pizza and it was delicious, though I\'m used to picking up good pizza in Massachusetts for $10+.
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Wolf I think your arguments are sound but where the hell u paying that kind of DOUGH (heheh, ya im gay) in NY or NYC for a pizza !
30 - 40 dollars for a large ? Even in Westchester they only charge like 16bucks for a large plain.
In a city like NYC where you cannot fall down without hitting a place to eat the food tends to be fairly priced in my experience. There are so many places to eat that your theroy lacks the competition variable.
There is tremendous competition for your food dollars in NYC. That alone forces food places to either be affordable and good or expensive and great. Now thats not to say i havent had a less than desirable meal there but those places dont tend to stay around very long.
Now Of all the places you mention in New haven the only place i have had the pie was at Bar. And it was not all that. their pizza was OK. I tried many different slices that night (NYE pre-breakfast) and It was ok but nothing my toungue wanted to write a poem about.
I have always wanted to hit Sallys and the others but waiting as long as you guys say the wait is for Pizza, that to me is silly. If I am gonna wait for food there better be red meat on the plate :)
Thank god we all can agree on the Breakfast :)
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In the end, we will all be winners and full.
Absolutely. There are no losers in apizza tourneys. Except, of course, for inferior apizzerias.
Wolfman, I\'m curious to know if the fine pizzas and Italian cuisine of the New Haven have spread northward up I-91 to the Hartford region.
The only things that spread upwards from New Haven to Hartford are disease and pestilence.
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I have actually been on a hunt for the best taquerias in the Bay Area. I usually pick places to try based on the number scale ratings provided by consumers on citysearch.com. I\'ve noticed that the high rankings don\'t necessarily yield a great menu. Some taquerias that are located in trendy neighborhoods place more emphasis on the interior\'s atmosphere than on the quality of the food, yet the consumers give them high marks. Some of the best taquerias place less emphasis on the decor and get low marks, even though their food kicks the ass of the fancier and trendier places.
NYC definitely has the recognition factor weighing in it\'s favor. I don\'t have the extensive NYC knowledge of those of you that live there or nearby (Westchester and CT people), though I have had plenty of pizza during my visits. I really don\'t remember anything spectacular, though I\'m sure there are thousands of merchants to comb through. Are there some decent pizzas in Little Italy?
Wolfman, I\'m curious to know if the fine pizzas and Italian cuisine of the New Haven have spread northward up I-91 to the Hartford region.
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Here is one link to one publications, 10 top Pizza Joints in NYC
NYC Top 10 (http://www.gayot.com/restaurants/bestof/ny_pizza.html)
Best of NYC 2004 (http://www.newyorkmetro.com/urban/guides/bestofny/food/04/pizza.htm)
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Gencs called chinese food Alpo
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I trust your words and wisdom.
I am just making myself so hungry for pizza that I really want an end to this. I just want to eat a pizza now.
I will take a look into seeing if anyone has ever tried to make a list of the best Pizza spots in NYC. (i.e. maybe the food network has a list, maybe a NY publication has a list, a food magazine)
I will see what I come across and see what we can do about this.
In the end, we will all be winners and full.
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I want an end to this.
If my tongue and brain aren\'t enough for you, FINE. :) Here\'s what you do:
1. Find said list of rankings of NYC pizza restaurants. Even better, find several lists and see if they have any restaurants in common. Determine Top 3 NYC restaurants. Call to make sure they offer pick-up.
2. On 9/9, pick up a large mooz (no toppings) from Sally\'s, Pepe\'s, and Modern, and bring them to New York City. (Before the Breakfast show.)
3. Find someone who lives in NYC to pick up pies from the NYC stores and to host the challenge. Reheat the New Haven pies and away we go, they\'ll still be pretty darn fresh. The Superhaven Apizza Tourney rules will apply. Reference the old "apizza" thread for details, or I\'ll give you the rules later. Let everyone know the deal so there are sufficient judges. May the best pies win.
I\'ll be happy to help with judging and paying for apizza.
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I understand what you are saying Wolf.
But, There has to have been a poll in NYC that was taken that ranked the Pizza places. You can use those as rudimentary standards.
Granted it would take a lot to organize a Pizza side by side Whose better. All of us who live in CT know how good New Haven pizza is, so we only need to eat some NY pizza to mnake our minds up. Not the best test at all but it is a start.
I have yet to hear any facts (w/footnotes to prove where they come from), that makes anyones opinion more then that or an assumption.
I want an end to this.
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theres a certain radius around new york city that if you leave this radius, you should NEVER EAT THE CHINESE FOOD. i was down in florida on tour one time and i ate chinese and it made me feel like i was going to die. SO BAD!
Almost any given Chinese place in the area of Mass. I grew up in is really good.
In general I agree with Jim. Almost every "chinese food" restaurant anywhere is just fast food with soy sauce. However, there are two notable exceptions that I know of: 1. China Town in any city. Real authentic, delicious stuff. Every restaurant in China Town in Boston is very good, even the closet-sized ones that are open until 4AM. 2. Any place with a high population of Jews. Jews LOVE Chinese food, particularly high-end Chinese food. I grew up in Framingham, MA which has a good 15,000 Jews, and the town has 2 of the best Chinese restaurants you\'ve ever been to. (And on the Sabbath you can find more of your temple congregation in these restaurants than in temple.) My mom now lives in Brookline in Coolidge Corner which also has a huge concentration of Jews, and there\'s 20 kick-ass Asian restaurants in walking distance.
But the question is does the best pizza in NEw Haven stand up to the best pizza in ny?
Did you read my post? I know that New Haven is better from both extensive experience and sound economic rationalization.
apparently this will not be solved till we somehow get the top 3 pizza places in NY vs. New Havens top 3.
It\'s solved. It\'s over. Besides, you could never get a panel to agree on what the top 3 in NYC are. Also, you couldn\'t possibly eat the pizzas side-by-side in a taste test without having to transport one city\'s pies and reheat them.
New Haven has to be the best, that\'s their entire raison d\'etre. They get no help from being located in New Haven. New York gets by by just being good enough and being in New York. MUTINY theory proves that getting better can only hurt a pizza restaurant in New York. Thus, New Haven must be better. (Which I know from experience anyways.)
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apparently this will not be solved till we somehow get the top 3 pizza places in NY vs. New Havens top 3.
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I am sure the best pizza places in New Haven have better pizza than a lot of the half ass pizza places in manhatten.
But the question is does the best pizza in NEw Haven stand up to the best pizza in ny?
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fair enough, wolfy. i think that most NY pizza is overrated, but i\'ve never had a better pie than the pie i get at Totonno\'s. I haven\'t had NH za so i can\'t really comment there, next time i come up for richters someone must direct me to one of these pizza joints.
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sally\'s is better than pepe\'s. ;)
Except for one thing, and that is the white clam pie. Pepe\'s is the best you will ever have.
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Leith, did you get to experience any of the New Haven Italian food while you hanging with the Italians a couple weekends ago?
I still haven\'t been to Sally\'s, though all the other food I\'ve sampled in the area has been delicious.
The only place I got to eat from other than @ Todd\'s was a pie place near him called Bobby\'s? It was alright. I really want to try a more well known joint.
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I\'ve been eating SuperHaven apizza for 5 years now, and I lived in NYC all last year and ate the pizza there. I consider myself supremely qualified to answer this tasty question.
Let\'s get one thing straight right off the bat: You cannot beat SuperHaven apizza anywhere in the Western Hemisphere. Since this is a debate between New Haven vs. New York, believe me when I say that there isn\'t one place in New York that can beat Pepe\'s, Sally\'s, Modern, Bar, or John and Maria\'s.
The pizza in New York might be the most overrated aspect of the entire city. Why does it get such a good rep? Because it is better than 99.9% of all the pizza in the USA, which all pretty much sucks. (Especially when you consider that about 80% of the entire domestic pizza output comes from Pizza Hut, Domino\'s, Papa John\'s, Little Caeser\'s, and other robotic chains.) So people travel from all over the USA to check out New York, and they think the pizza is the best they\'ve ever had, and they\'re right. In addition, the fact that the eater is in New York puts them in a mindset where everything is grand and wonderous beyond its actual scale. The problem is, they\'ve never been to New Haven.
Anthony makes a good point about how there are so many different pizza restaurants in New York that it\'s hard to know which ones to use to judge the city by, wheras in New Haven everyone knows you judge the city by Sally\'s, Pepe\'s, and Modern. However, after eating in many New York pizza restaurants (and I mean restaurants and not the slice-express stores you see on every corner) I realized that they all have something in common: I call it the Marginal Utility Theory of Industry in New York. (MUTINY) This theory is applicable to many industries in New York, but for this example we will stick with pizza restaurants. Every pizza restaurant in New York is charging as much as they can, usually about $12 for a small and up to $30 for a large with a topping or two. They get away with it because they are in New York and people come with money. They cannot raise their price because they are at the market threshhold; nobody will pay $40-$50 for a pizza no matter how good it\'s supposed to be. Since they cannot raise their price they cannot raise their quality without cutting into their margins, but there is no need to raise the quality anyhow since they have a good reputation where they are. Customers, even those who live locally, will perceive the quality to be higher than it is because it\'s in New York and everything looks chique and authentic on the surface.
In summary, the MUTINY theory proves that there is no benefit for a pizza restaurant in New York city to raise their quality. They all charge the market maximum for mid grade to upper-mid grade pizza, and are able to fill the restaurant. Thus, every pizza restaurant hovers at this level of quality and will not get any better. So, in response to Anthony, it really does not matter which restaurants you use to judge New York City pizza by, because the MUTINY theory proves that they are all at the same level.
Bottom line: Nothing wrong with New York pizza. It\'s easily better than most. But it is not as good as New Haven and never will be.
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Chineese Food is the human equivillant to Dog Food......
That being said, from the right places that I have found (or get recommended to), General Tso\'s Chicken, Sweet and Sour Chicken, Pork Fried Rice, and Lo Mein satisfy my cravings for the human alpo
Yeah whatever guy. You know this post was a mistake or AT least your wording. Right?
Leith, did you get to experience any of the New Haven Italian food while you were hanging with the Italians a couple weekends ago?
I still haven\'t been to Sally\'s, though all the other food I\'ve sampled in the area has been delicious.
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Chineese Food is the human equivillant to Dog Food......
That being said, from the right places that I have found (or get recommended to), General Tso\'s Chicken, Sweet and Sour Chicken, Pork Fried Rice, and Lo Mein satisfy my cravings for the human alpo
Yeah whatever guy. You know this post was a mistake or AT least your wording. Right?
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theres a certain radius around new york city that if you leave this radius, you should NEVER EAT THE CHINESE FOOD. i was down in florida on tour one time and i ate chinese and it made me feel like i was going to die. SO BAD!
Houston Tejas = enormous asian population = fantastic asian food
Theres a place in Northwest houston called Tosa, they make a roll called The Shaggy Dog, it\'s shrimp and rice and a bunch of other tasty schtuff... my mouth is watering just thinking about it.
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theres a certain radius around new york city that if you leave this radius, you should NEVER EAT THE CHINESE FOOD. i was down in florida on tour one time and i ate chinese and it made me feel like i was going to die. SO BAD!
Almost any given Chinese place in the area of Mass. I grew up in is really good.
None of the restaurants have chicken fingers out here, a staple at any Americanized Chinese place back East.
Also, Lo Mein on the East Coast is called Chow Mein here.
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i was ONLY talking about the plain or generic topping pizza, but maybe if im up in GB ill try a special sometime, you sound pretty convincing my man.
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Now this may be a stupid thing to say but there is a pizza place local to me in Goldens Bridge right off exit 6A on 684 North called Portofinos. They make a killer Pie. I have had a lot of pizza since living in NY and I have to say they make my favorite pie. Not to mention the specials. So if you happen to be going north on 684 I suggest stopping for a slice (if you can call them that, they are about as big as a small pie)
I think that Portafinos is some of the worst pizza ive ever had in NY. They make huge pies to substitute for the low quality ingredients used. Cheese Tastes like Plastic, sauce/dough = nothing there. Everyone hypes that place like i never believe. Just my opinion.
Now, Gerardos in Mt. Kisco has got the gully pizza, check that **** out. It aint nothin liike Sallys in haven, or Grimaldis in BK. I remember Peck, Timmy, this kid adam, and i all took a cab from manhattan to Brooklyn to get a pie at this place Grimaldis (formerly Patsys) i thought it was the best ever, and they all stuck their noses up at it claiming Sallys was way better. I think Sallys, it isnt only the pizza. Its the belief, that when you walk in, you know that you are going to get SUPER old school delicious pizza before its even served. its hard to let go of a belief, that is why i think that some cannot accept that there is better pizza out there, like in NEW YORK baby.
Wow. Their food kicks serious ass. I have never had a meal in there i didnt like. They are the only restaurant i have ever had on my cell phone. Now granted I usually get the specials but I like their pizza a lot. But i like sauce that isn\'t too acidic and I know a lot of people who like that. My stomach cant take acidic sauce so i tend to like a sweeter more mild sauce. Im all about the sauce :) But ill tell you the specials there are killer
Chineese Food is the human equivillant to Dog Food......
That being said, from the right places that I have found (or get recommended to), General Tso\'s Chicken, Sweet and Sour Chicken, Pork Fried Rice, and Lo Mein satisfy my cravings for the human alpo
thats American Chinese food. Not really authentic Chinese cuisine
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Chineese Food is the human equivillant to Dog Food......
That being said, from the right places that I have found (or get recommended to), General Tso\'s Chicken, Sweet and Sour Chicken, Pork Fried Rice, and Lo Mein satisfy my cravings for the human alpo
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we need to do a pepsi challenge and put this debate to rest.
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theres a certain radius around new york city that if you leave this radius, you should NEVER EAT THE CHINESE FOOD. i was down in florida on tour one time and i ate chinese and it made me feel like i was going to die. SO BAD!
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The Northeast definitely features better pizza, subs and Chinese food.
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Totonno\'s=a DAMN good pie.
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Now this may be a stupid thing to say but there is a pizza place local to me in Goldens Bridge right off exit 6A on 684 North called Portofinos. They make a killer Pie. I have had a lot of pizza since living in NY and I have to say they make my favorite pie. Not to mention the specials. So if you happen to be going north on 684 I suggest stopping for a slice (if you can call them that, they are about as big as a small pie)
I think that Portafinos is some of the worst pizza ive ever had in NY. They make huge pies to substitute for the low quality ingredients used. Cheese Tastes like Plastic, sauce/dough = nothing there. Everyone hypes that place like i never believe. Just my opinion.
Now, Gerardos in Mt. Kisco has got the gully pizza, check that **** out. It aint nothin liike Sallys in haven, or Grimaldis in BK. I remember Peck, Timmy, this kid adam, and i all took a cab from manhattan to Brooklyn to get a pie at this place Grimaldis (formerly Patsys) i thought it was the best ever, and they all stuck their noses up at it claiming Sallys was way better. I think Sallys, it isnt only the pizza. Its the belief, that when you walk in, you know that you are going to get SUPER old school delicious pizza before its even served. its hard to let go of a belief, that is why i think that some cannot accept that there is better pizza out there, like in NEW YORK baby.
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mike i was under the impression that we in westchester dont use the water from our own resevoirs, that it comes from elsewhere. i could be mistaken, but i\'m fairly sure that at least the croton resevoir is soley for NYC use. (i\'ve seen people do all sorts of things in and around the croton resevoir that would make me never ever want to drink anything that came from there)
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Couple of things...
Ant your right on track dude! Gencs has access to pizza warmers, they will stay relativly warm. :)
Spacey, can I join you in a ride to the city...I will be designated to...so you might want to utilize that?
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back to za, relating it to said threads show.
1st, why you dont see "New Haven" style signs and you do see "New York" signs. Basically, New York is known throughout the country and world, its a household name. I coulda sworn I saw a shop in Montreal last time I was there that said NY Style Pizza. Does it mean the za inside was good? I highly doubt it. But will it attract the tourists from, say, colorado? Surely. Its a gimick!
And to settle the debate, why don\'t you all bring a Sally\'s pie down to NYC on the 9th and have a taste test with a NYC pie. Mind you the Sally\'s pie would be at a disadvantage being luke warm by the time it arrives, but I still think it wins hands down.
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um... i\'d rather drink bleach than NYC tap water.
just throwin this out there, and i really have no opinion in the za battle, but do you think if you were a native new yorker you\'d back NYC pizza over NH pizza?
Actually all the NYC water comes from the watershed resiviors which are in westchester county and north of us. So if your water in NYC sux then it is most likeyl the pipes in your building.
I live right in the heart of the watersdhed and the water quality is great.
NY pizza vs. New Haven. hard to do for a few reasons. There are only 2 places in New Haven that generally get the nod for best in New Haven.
You ask 3 NYers were to get the best pizza and you gonna get 3 different answers.
Now this may be a stupid thing to say but there is a pizza place local to me in Goldens Bridge right off exit 6A on 684 North called Portofinos. They make a killer Pie. I have had a lot of pizza since living in NY and I have to say they make my favorite pie. Not to mention the specials. So if you happen to be going north on 684 I suggest stopping for a slice (if you can call them that, they are about as big as a small pie)
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sally\'s is better than pepe\'s. ;)
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Maybe Not The Best In The World But You Will Get The Idea If You Click Here (http://www.jour.unr.edu:16080/goldbaum/travelblogs/pizza/)
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It\'s a flat out stooopid argument. I for one love New Haven pizza, but that\'s what I grew up eating. But hell, I also like my French/Mick mothers meatball receipt, and think my buddies pure bred Italian Mom can\'t cook\'em for ****. but again, cause I grew up on it. I don\'t think Chicago deepdish and NY style pizza compares to the Elm City pie. But you know there\'s probably a group of kids sitting in the mid-west saying that nobody makes pizza like they make out in Chicago... all that special "great lakes" water being the key ingredient.
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i think 99.9% of people would be dumbfounded if they saw a sign advertsing new haven style za. at least outside of ct anyway.
ny pizza is known world wide.
the ct best za seems like something some local ct resident dreamed up.
also wondering what pizza places u have eaten at in nyc gencs...there are some in manhatten that are not that great.
I bet anything you have never eaten a slice at lenny and johns in brooklyn or you would no longer be backing ct za. confirmed.
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of course cobb, that is why this rival exists.
DiGiornio, it must be delivery.
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Any place with good za will advertise "New Haven Style Pizza" You dont see it too much because there aren\'t very many good pizzarias out there...
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um... i\'d rather drink bleach than NYC tap water.
just throwin this out there, and i really have no opinion in the za battle, but do you think if you were a native new yorker you\'d back NYC pizza over NH pizza?
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second ZA/Water lecture I\'ve heard in 24 hours. Going downstairs to heat up a DiGiorno.
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i really have to try ct pizza because i find it hard to believe its better than ny.
I mean you dont see signs all around the country advertising "CT style pizza"
if it really was the best I think it would be a little bit more well known.
but i cant say for sure untill i try it i guess.
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I dont know the all the scientific mumbojumbo about it, but I know it to be true....
and NY water is actually pretty good....
But that is why CT and NY are the best pies in the country...
The water elsewhere is not good pizza dough making water. period....
I am not saying NY za sucks...I am just saying that it aint as good as NH za....
done and done....
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If there has been no official competetion between NYC and New Haven, then there needs to be one. Someone needs the crown.
alright alright...just dont go closing the thread or anything... ;)
Water is used to make pizza dough....
CT water is the best for making ser dough.confirmed
CT water better then NY water? yes, I can believe that.
The minimal water quality standards have not been improved since 1939. That means we drink the same quality water that our grandparents drank. Sure, you can argue that they bleach it or put chlorine in it but that doesn\'t really improve water quality.
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alright alright...just dont go closing the thread or anything... ;)
Water is used to make pizza dough....
CT water is the best for making ser dough.confirmed
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nah man we\'re talkin opinions, not facts.
what about the water?
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cant we just say that both cities have good pizza and let that be that? why does one have to be better?
answer to question 1: No. It is a false statement
answer to question 2: Because. One IS better.
Facts my man...just talkin about facts....
The reason: WATER
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cant we just say that both cities have good pizza and let that be that? why does one have to be better?
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oh boy, here we go. the classic new haven vs. ny pizza debate.
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Has there ever been a Za contest between NY and New Haven?
Like an official one, not just our opinion.
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it is a common misconception that New York za is better than New Haven za....
and a misconception is all that it is.....
NY za = poopoo compared to what the Elm City (and a little place in milford, Ct) can dish out...