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General Discussions => Spunk => Topic started by: crimsonknuckles on August 31, 2005, 04:17:51 pm
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My guess is that, on this board, similar to all of America, most people fall into the middle class - not completely rich & not completely broke. Instead, most people are able to pay for certain luxuries, yet are also in a certain amount of debt.
This leads me to believe that the middle class is now the new low class, and the upper class & wealthy will continue to extend the bridge that carries someone over to their side. Wish me luck, I\'m going to buy a lottery ticket...
yep, dollar and a dream... all I\'ve got since I didn\'t take education seriously.
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My guess is that, on this board, similar to all of America, most people fall into the middle class - not completely rich & not completely broke. Instead, most people are able to pay for certain luxuries, yet are also in a certain amount of debt.
This leads me to believe that the middle class is now the new low class, and the upper class & wealthy will continue to extend the bridge that carries someone over to their side. Wish me luck, I\'m going to buy a lottery ticket...
GOOD LUCK :thumbsup:
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My guess is that, on this board, similar to all of America, most people fall into the middle class - not completely rich & not completely broke. Instead, most people are able to pay for certain luxuries, yet are also in a certain amount of debt.
This leads me to believe that the middle class is now the new low class, and the upper class & wealthy will continue to extend the bridge that carries someone over to their side. Wish me luck, I\'m going to buy a lottery ticket...
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then buy a tent and live in the woods hunting for food.
I would be dead in a week..:killself:
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and you are delusional my young friend. you want nobody to hold a hand above you, then buy a tent and live in the woods hunting for food.
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You ask me why I lean liberal in my beliefs, it\'s because unless you clear 7 figure$ daily in bank interest like those that run this world than you\'re just a pawn in their game... actually, you\'re not even a pawn, you\'re a wood molecule that makes up the pawn figurine in their game. So no matter what you learn from the Times or the Journal or whatever tablet you sit down to daily, no matter how deep you feel that understanding takes you in this game, your best bet is to question everything those in power feed you, because it all adds up to one thing. How to keep you workin\' and keep you spending on those things that benefit them the most.
half way through this message I forgot what thread I\'m in or why I\'m typing this crap. Did someone slip something in my beer?
You are crazy. Please, take time to think about what you are posting.
The key to life is to have very little responsibility in regards to having bills. If you owe no one money then you are more free to go about what you feel you need to do. There is no one holding a hand above you.
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You ask me why I lean liberal in my beliefs, it\'s because unless you clear 7 figure$ daily in bank interest like those that run this world than you\'re just a pawn in their game... actually, you\'re not even a pawn, you\'re a wood molecule that makes up the pawn figurine in their game. So no matter what you learn from the Times or the Journal or whatever tablet you sit down to daily, no matter how deep you feel that understanding takes you in this game, your best bet is to question everything those in power feed you, because it all adds up to one thing. How to keep you workin\' and keep you spending on those things that benefit them the most.
half way through this message I forgot what thread I\'m in or why I\'m typing this crap. Did someone slip something in my beer?
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:boat:
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The world and it\'s economy can never really be explained to the common hard worker.
We all play the same game to pay the man. But still get nothing.....
but, it takes the common hard working man a little time and patience to figure it out, then he owns all
That hard working man never really owns anything... Everything is a loan...
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The world and it\'s economy can never really be explained to the common hard worker.
We all play the same game to pay the man. But still get nothing.....
but, it takes the common hard working man a little time and patience to figure it out, then he owns all
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The world and it\'s economy can never really be explained to the common hard worker.
We all play the same game to pay the man. But still get nothing.....
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i read in Zurflus glorified Journal the opinion that gouging gas prices helps to conserve in a time of need. Interesting point, kinda felt like I learned something there...
Counterpoint. I just came home from North Beach NH where I\'ve spent weekends, vacations and even an entire summer, for the past 20 years. This "financially oh-so-important" holiday weekend was an absolute bust for any business there because the place was a ghost town.
The high price of conservation certainly was hurting everyone up there.
Will someone with a better understanding of this Wall Street Journal life please explain to me how even after GW released 6 million barrels and the Kuwaites donated another $500 million in oil, how fuel prices are still outta control?
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lol. great.
currently i pay about 3.59 for unleaded
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Save gas, fart in a jar.
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Boo gas,boo it in it\'s stupid ass.................
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It seems some gas station attendant mustve lied to me. its what i heard? and i got called out like a nazi officer after the holocaust. sorry dudes.
i remember when you were head of the radio nazi\'s
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It seems some gas station attendant mustve lied to me. its what i heard?
:point: and i got called out like a nazi officer after the holocaust. sorry dudes.
Harsh...
:rimshot:
:boat:
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It seems some gas station attendant mustve lied to me. its what i heard?
:point: and i got called out like a nazi officer after the holocaust. sorry dudes.
Harsh...
:rimshot:
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It seems some gas station attendant mustve lied to me. its what i heard?
:point: and i got called out like a nazi officer after the holocaust. sorry dudes.
Harsh...
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It goes to show you how many people often do not know what makes an industry tick, yet continue to comment and argue on subjects they are not versed in.
That is why I generally do not comment or argue unless I know what I am saying is reasonably accurate.
:chin: Meanwhile, back in reality, it\'s weird that someone so "edumucated" is not actually leaving a well-thought out & detailed comment for us liberals... Poor is the man who critiques others who are voicing their opinion, while he has no opinion of his own...
Thats deep....
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It goes to show you how many people often do not know what makes an industry tick, yet continue to comment and argue on subjects they are not versed in.
That is why I generally do not comment or argue unless I know what I am saying is reasonably accurate.
:chin: Meanwhile, back in reality, it\'s weird that someone so "edumucated" is not actually leaving a well-thought out & detailed comment for us liberals... Poor is the man who critiques others who are voicing their opinion, while he has no opinion of his own...
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gas prices are fluctuating more than the DOW Jones
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It seems some gas station attendant mustve lied to me. its what i heard? and i got called out like a nazi officer after the holocaust. sorry dudes.
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why do you always have to attack the liberal people?
are you saying conservatives are better then liberals?
nope, I\'d say that I learn a lot from both, I just think that liberals in general make the most noise in the world, often without any substance.
I hear what you are saying.
it probably is a 50/50 split in reality.
remember facts can be made up to prove anything.
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I hate know it alls....
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why do you always have to attack the liberal people?
are you saying conservatives are better then liberals?
nope, I\'d say that I learn a lot from both, I just think that liberals in general make the most noise in the world, often without any substance.
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why do you always have to attack the liberal people?
are you saying conservatives are better then liberals?
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It goes to show you how many people often do not know what makes an industry tick, yet continue to comment and argue on subjects they are not versed in.
That is why I generally do not comment or argue unless I know what I am saying is reasonably accurate. Before Ant stepped in with his experiences, there was plenty of speculation as to how the industry works - some of it quite far off from reality. If everyone read the Wall St. Journal, they would get a better sense of the world and know how industries operate (and who profits) and connect to the world. It\'s really some of the best reading out there in the form of a daily deliverable, though most people outside the world of business probably have no reason to turn themselves on to it. I can guarantee that I wouldn\'t be reading it if I didn\'t have a finance degree.
I guess the reason I get peeved is that every liberal person tries to argue on issues of trade and business, yet so few actually have any grounding in the principles of economics.
If I ever give a commencement speech to a graduating high school or college class, in addition to urging them to have fun in their careers, I would also make the suggestion that they do not argue on subjects that they have very little knowledge of, a specialty among many college-aged kids.
Ciao - I\'m off to Long Beach for the weekend. Best wishes to all this Labor Day Weekend. Can\'t wait to hear the Moe.down reports and more "Tales From the Pump" (though hopefully they\'ll be improving).
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did anyone see the news report about the guy in georgia who raised prices to 5-6 bucks a gallon because he was afraid he would run out and tried to stop people from buying gas.
I thought it was becaus eeveryone was out of gas and he was the only with it. . .
I think that was the reason why he raised it. I guess the governor of Georgia told a few places to do that because they need people to stop consuming so much so fast.
I think they put it up that high so people would become discouraged from buying it.
AntB, thanks for hitting us w/ the realities of retail gasoline. I always wondered how that worked.
are you still in an out of state library, while you should be on vaca?
yes. can\'t hit the beach until I get some problems fixed, can\'t get the problems fixed till I hear back from my boss... so I play the waiting game... which entails surfing .info, nytimes, bushwatch, etc. etc. It\'s all very depressing, thanks for reminding me SPACEMAN!!
Not a cloud in the sky. I sit here and type you from besides my pool. No lovely women in bikinis but just me and some internet ****. :)
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AntB, thanks for hitting us w/ the realities of retail gasoline. I always wondered how that worked.
are you still in an out of state library, while you should be on vaca?
yes. can\'t hit the beach until I get some problems fixed, can\'t get the problems fixed till I hear back from my boss... so I play the waiting game... which entails surfing .info, nytimes, bushwatch, etc. etc. It\'s all very depressing, thanks for reminding me SPACEMAN!!
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did anyone see the news report about the guy in georgia who raised prices to 5-6 bucks a gallon because he was afraid he would run out and tried to stop people from buying gas.
I thought it was becaus eeveryone was out of gas and he was the only with it. . .
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did anyone see the news report about the guy in georgia who raised prices to 5-6 bucks a gallon because he was afraid he would run out and tried to stop people from buying gas.
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AntB, thanks for hitting us w/ the realities of retail gasoline. I always wondered how that worked.
No problem guy. What I noticed during my lunch break driving up Mineral Spring Ave in North Providence (kinda comparable to Branford Hill) is that right now its seems to be a free-for-all for prices. In a normal, non-whateveryou wanttocallthis period of time the stations on that road, and probably throughout the country in the same business area, are relatively close to each other in price (maybe a 15 cent per gallon difference between the highest and lowest). Today was a completely different story. The part of the hill I drove by this afternoon has 4 stations (2 Shells which I believe are the same owner since they\'re prices are always the same). $3.079, $3.199 (shells), and $3.399 for regular. 32 cent difference between highest and lowest (both are name brand, and they\'re basically across the street from each other). I don\'t know exactly what price-gouging is, but I think it resembles a monopoly (with the station owners on it together), but I don\'t think its happening. The owner who is at 3.399 and getting no customers is going to look like a genius if there is a shortage and the guy at 3.079 runs out.
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AntB, thanks for hitting us w/ the realities of retail gasoline. I always wondered how that worked.
are you still in an out of state library, while you should be on vaca?
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AntB, thanks for hitting us w/ the realities of retail gasoline. I always wondered how that worked.
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NOW, this kid i know who works at another mobil told me that they arent paying any more for gas now than they were last week, or last month!! he says they are still getting barrels at $50 bucks a pop(about 50 gallons a barrel he said). Wow, what an astronomical profit margin. and everyone keeps rushing to get ggas before the price goes up again. crazy. i guess gas tycoons gotta eat too.
Unless your buddy works for the Mobil/Exxon Corporation or one of its distribution terminals his facts are most likely wrong. Gas stations buy gas from terminals at a per gallon rate, they do not buy it in barrels. Most stations only make 3-9 cents per gallon. The reason "name brand" stations are usually 5-15 cents more per gallon than the private stations is that they are not only paying the wholesale per gallon price (which trust me, has not been $1.00 a gallon as suggested with the barrels above in at least 5-6 years), but they are also paying a delivery charge per gallon. The private stations that have their own fuel trucks are the one\'s whose gas is usually the cheapest because there is no middle charge.
For those of you in the New Haven area who would like to know the wholesale per gallon cost of a gallon of regular unleaded go to Forbes Premium Fuel on Forbes Ave (New Haven) and/or North High St (Staven) and subtract 7 cents from their per gallon price (7 cents being an average of what the owner makes per gallon, it varies because he sometimes will keep his prices the same for a day or so after a wholesale increase to remain lower than the competition).
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I\'ve got an idea! Crude oil is a natural resource, how about we all share! Yay, problem solved, and while were sharing that we can share other natural resources as well...heheh
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Gas is $3.16/gal here in Indiana, and usually we\'re one of the more conservative states. We\'ve always had lower gas prices than everyone, until now.
you still do. average=3.39 a gallon ere in IL. i have friends that go to Indiana for cigarettes b/c theyre still a lot cheaper than here. maybe it\'s an excuse for gambling at Trump and what not but still.
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alright so check this out, on my way to and from the diner this afternoon, gas prices rose from 20 to 50 cents a gallon at the stations i passed, just in the 45 minutes i was eating. dude at the mobil told me that itll be up to $4.00 by the end of the weekend.
NOW, this kid i know who works at another mobil told me that they arent paying any more for gas now than they were last week, or last month!! he says they are still getting barrels at $50 bucks a pop(about 50 gallons a barrel he said). Wow, what an astronomical profit margin. and everyone keeps rushing to get ggas before the price goes up again. crazy. i guess gas tycoons gotta eat too.
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hahhaha,this is one of the issues that makes it alright to live out west, here in the big sky state (montana) reg gas is 2.69 the highest octane is like 3.02, and the most expensive diesel is like 3.06. i assume if gas is almost three bucks in ct, than gas in westchester is prolly 3.50 a gallon. damn im only twenty and still remember when gas was a dollar a gallon.
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having worked and managed a gas station for the majority of my teenage years I can say that gas in the tanks can and will be raised to the price of new shipments. most, if not all, places take daily deliveries as mentioned, and a few, like Forbes in New Haven and now No. High St take in multiple deliveries per day. The reasoning is that no gas station owner likes to run out of gas and will fill their tanks when it is at 1/3 full. So if they are going to bring half a load to their tanks at a new price they have every right to raise their prices accordingly whether or not you, as an individual pumper, are getting the old or new load of gas. If you were an owner would you want one of your employees calling you at 3am to tell you that the tank is now 2/3 full and the prices need to be raised? Nope. Working their six plus years I have heard every complaint in the book about the price of gas, and have been interviewed by news channel 8 on more than one occasion as to how I deal with pissed off customers (mind you this was when gas was like 1.47 a gallon!). Yes, I know I **** about it all the time, but hey I\'m poor.
And for those of you pissed off about them raising it so much, you must understand that gas stations do not make more money when prices are raised. They actually make money when the price goes DOWN!
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The profit margin on petrolium for gas stations is very slim, the guy that runs the station down at the end of my street makes like a couple of cents on each gallon...
As far as them getting shipments everyday I honestly don\'t think it operates that way, because ultimatly if every gas station was getting a new supply of gas everyday, the high ways would be filled with oil tankers...maybe i\'m wrong, that\'s just a little logistical thinking behind it all...
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Ok I found what I was reading earlyer...
http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000006&sid=a2YWfT8rxhKQ&refer=home
Price Gouging
Alabama Attorney General Troy King said his office is investigating whether gasoline stations are breaking the law by unnecessarily raising the price of fuel in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.
``Why are the prices going up on supplies that are already in tanks at gas stations?\'\' he said in an interview today. ``Alabama has a price gouging law. If we find that it\'s been violated -- it doesn\'t matter who has violated it -- they\'re going to be held to account.\'\'
The storm shut 1.36 million barrels, or 90 percent, of daily crude-oil output, according to the U.S. Minerals Management Service, which manages offshore resources. About 30 percent of U.S. oil production comes from platforms in the Gulf. The region receives more than half of U.S. oil imports and is home to about 50 percent of the nation\'s refining capacity.
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I read something today, where a question arose that, how can gas stations charge that much for gas that is already in their tanks? Good question, but I\'ve always asked myself this. Why do they need to keep up with the day to day change in price? When they go to fill their tanks they should then raise the price according to their costs.
Most of these stations probably receive daily shipments and thus the price that they pay fluctuates from delivery to delivery. I used to work on a fuel dock. I don\'t think the gas stations are making much, if anything from the rising prices. From what I hear the refiners and oil companies are the ones making the bucks, while the gas stations operate on very narrow margins. The oil oligopoly should be willing (or forced) to reduce their margins since the supply is being severly restricted in particular regions, most notably the south. The profitability of the oil companies is also the reason why the development of alternative energy sources are being pushed so far into the future. They don\'t want hybrids, solar cars and hydrogen vehicles to dominate just yet and have no incentives to spend heavily on the research and developement of alternative energy sources until the world\'s oil fields are depleted to exhaustion.
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Ya, over seas, the car engines are much smaller than here...some cars over there have 1 liter engines...If you want to pass someone on the highway you have to hit the A/C button with your index finger then shift down to 4/3rd gear, lol....talk about under powered...anyways...
cost me $45 to fill up a tank that 3 months ago only cost $25. Hey, at least I don\'t live in the South, heard they\'re chargin\' upward of $6/g in ATL.... how is that legal?
I read something today, where a question arose that, how can gas stations charge that much for gas that is already in their tanks? Good question, but I\'ve always asked myself this. Why do they need to keep up with the day to day change in price? When they go to fill their tanks they should then raise the price according to their costs.
I paid $2.89 for gas yesterday just as they were raising to $2.99, the guy said I was the last one to get that price...28 bux for half tank...BS
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Get a Bike!
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Gas is $3.16/gal here in Indiana, and usually we\'re one of the more conservative states. We\'ve always had lower gas prices than everyone, until now.
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cost me $45 to fill up a tank that 3 months ago only cost $25. Hey, at least I don\'t live in the South, heard they\'re chargin\' upward of $6/g in ATL.... how is that legal?
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Gas at $3? Such great hardship!!! We have to pay nearly ?1 a litre ie over ?4 a gallon for regular unleaded and 5p a liter more for diesel, which is over double what you pay, then there\'s ?150 a year road tax on top of the insurance. It\'s funny you guys having a price rise in the summer; I suffer most in th ewinter when most diesel prices go through the roof due to the demands for oil for heating.
As far as fuel economic cars go, I do think the States needs to get in on the act. My diesel Volvo does around 42 mpg or 53-55 on a long run. Even the big 4x4s still get approaching 30 mpg.
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My parents just bought a Scion, it has a 1.5L engine, gets like 30-35 MPG...huge savings after filling up the big Buick Lesabre every week...
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It was $2.59ish at some places in RI yesterday. I drove by the same two places this afternoon and it was at $3.14-3.16 today! Im seriously considering blowing off my landlord this month and buying a scooter
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in all ser, I plan on leaving my car where ever it runs out.
Doesn\'t gas always go up a little bit during holiday weekends because of travel?
I like Leith\'s idea of siphoning gas from the rich guy, he drives a H1 and a H2.
Yes, Al is right here, time to get the bikes up and going.
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Cheapest gas in Oakland was $2.89 yesterday, though it may be higher today. Most likely above $3 at the average Bay Area gas merchant though. Personally, I don\'t really care because gas is such a small component of my expenditures. I\'m more concerned for people on tight budgets that have to substitute other goods for gas.
Hopefully gas will be slightly cheaper after the summer travel season ends and refining capacity is restored in the Gulf. Either way, increasing global demand for oil is going to keep prices higher than we have been accustomed to in the long run. Time to get those bikes tuned up.
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I siphon from rich folk
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broccoli rabe $1.99 a pound
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this morning gas in my area went from $2.73 to $3.29!!! i\'m screwed this winter! oil heat!