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Breakfast Babble => The Grand Scheme Of Things => Topic started by: Rujah on June 18, 2005, 11:03:32 pm
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My first show (and only one so far) was the end of April, just 2 months ago. Hard to believe. But yeah, never too late. There are plenty of newbs around.
Welcome home! :)
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reading you guys discussing the changes over the years makes me wanna cry - downloaded Tim solo show 4 weeks ago and that was the first I had ever heard of him or the breakfast (way behind in the UK !) now I gotta try to fit work and other things into a heavy schedule of downloading lots of old/new (all new to me) gigs !
How come I missed these guys? got lots of phish sci rainmakers/walkenhorst shows but for some reason seem to have left the best til last !!!
its never too late, buddy. i\'ve been goin to shows only since november but i feel like i\'ve been around for years.
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Either way, good luck with that heavy load.
Nice to have you on the boards.
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reading you guys discussing the changes over the years makes me wanna cry - downloaded Tim solo show 4 weeks ago and that was the first I had ever heard of him or the breakfast (way behind in the UK !) now I gotta try to fit work and other things into a heavy schedule of downloading lots of old/new (all new to me) gigs !
How come I missed these guys? got lots of phish sci rainmakers/walkenhorst shows but for some reason seem to have left the best til last !!!
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nice avatar, guy.
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Good question Marcial. I definitely enjoy random critical Breakfast thinking.
Marcial is good for many things and the above is most definitely one of em....
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should the more recent setlists be ammended to read The Vermont Song*
* unfinished
??
I say "no" (just like Save says "no") because the sundae is topped off with a cherry, just without a few nuts sprinkled on top.
I would assume that the band would have to neglect to play a significant fraction of the song in order for it to be deemed "unfinished".
Good question Marcial. I definitely enjoy random critical Breakfast thinking.
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Thats really weird I am gonna have to go over the recording because I AM SURE that I heard it somewhere.
The strange thing is that it might have not been on VT song. Hmm i am gonna have to have a listen
Well I am gonna have to compare the ending to the CD becaue the 04/15/05 vermont song does end in a flurry of "peace and love surrounding me". Perhaps I have never actually heard them do the \'Original ending "
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should the more recent setlists be ammended to read The Vermont Song*
* unfinished
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guess you can argue it either way, but when they dropped it, to me, it became \'reworked\'.. many songs are very different than what they used to be (fairy, CSR, gravity, dig, WUIAC, to name a few), but the changes have just been accepted rather than noting \'Fairy Version 2.6\', etc... i dunno..
i *do* know that when i start the setlist archive, i\'m not about to find out when they stopped doing it and insert notes into all the ones since then! ;)
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should the more recent setlists be ammended to read The Vermont Song*
* unfinished
??
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They did it the last VT song I saw them play
really? it seems like it\'s been years since I\'ve seen / heard them do it... what show were you at? I guess that they still do it occasionally... can any regulars (people who get to see the band on an almost weekly basis) give input on this?
hmm... if my calculations are correct, it looks to me like the last VT Song that mike saw was 4/15/05, and they didn\'t do the original ending then.
i can say i haven\'t heard it done in years, though i can neither confirm nor deny that they have indeed done it recently.
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They did it the last VT song I saw them play
really? it seems like it\'s been years since I\'ve seen / heard them do it... what show were you at? I guess that they still do it occasionally... can any regulars (people who get to see the band on an almost weekly basis) give input on this?
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No really, I\'m such a nerd...sometimes I\'ll translate songs as I\'m singing to the radio in my car. My friends get a kick out of it because it sounds so weird.
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(given an understanding on the English language).
next step: the official breakfast translator?
I\'m fluent in French.
sweeeeeeet.
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(given an understanding on the English language).
next step: the official breakfast translator?
I\'m fluent in French.
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They did it the last VT song I saw them play
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This is just a random observation of past vs. recent: the band used to have a beatbox intro each time Superfly Phaddy Fat was played.
along that line, am I crazy, or did they used to do the
peace & love surroundling me
peace & love surrounding me
peace & love surrounding meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
at the end of VT Song like they do on the cd?
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The first Superfly Phaddy Fat I heard with no beatbox intro was 8/14/04 Cafe9....I dug it much better and feel that the beatbox stuff should just pop up randomly in songs/jams versus "always" at the beginning of one particular song...
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This is just a random observation of past vs. recent: the band used to have a beatbox intro each time Superfly Phaddy Fat was played.
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(given an understanding on the English language).
next step: the official breakfast translator?
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One of the most important benefits of New Breakfast vs. Early Breakfast is the free access to Breakfast information and music online. The birth of the Live Music Archive and thebreakfast.info (and it\'s predecessor, the Yahoo Groups PB Email List) have allowed people from all over the globe to stay connected to the band and also access hundreds of shows.
Back in the old days, the only source of music was a small crew of tapers. In order to own some of PB\'s recordings, you pretty much had to know the tapers personally. It took me over a year as a fan to hear a few songs such as Gladys Pimp, Drunk Monk Bar, Son Of Simpleton etc. because they had not been played at the dozen+ shows I attended between 1999-2000 (my first year as a fan). There was no way to hear songs you haven\'t yet heard other than to pester the tapers who had copies of shows that may have played these songs. We now have fans such as Boombox who have never seen the band live yet know every single song in the Breakfast catalog. It\'s amazing how far we\'ve come as a community of fans in a couple of years. Anyone who is interested in the band now-a-days can quickly and comfortably assimilate into the Breakfast community with ease from any global location (given an understanding on the English language).
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Thursday, June 24, 2004
Verizon Wireless Music Center, Noblesville, IN
Set I: Loving Cup, Cities -> Back On the Train, Vultures, My Mind\'s Got a
Mind of its Own, Down With Disease -> Rock and Roll
Set II: Tube, Run Like an Antelope, The Wedge, Timber (Jerry), Prince
Caspian -> Simple, Walls of the Cave
Encore: The Squirming Coil
Show Notes: "Walls" contained a tease of "Disease" toward the end.
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Who holds the top spot for you?
Phish, 6.24.04, Verizon Wireless Music Center (Deer Creek)
Set II: Tube-->Run Like an Antelope
It was 27 minutes of total meltdown. A sheer half hour of my senses being assaulted. I just made a stop at Deer Creek a couple weeks ago to see DMB, and my face was still on the lawn a year later.
was that the show where they opened with Loving Cup?
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LOL, I will have to take another listen to the Tube -> Antelope. Well, I\'m glad you found your face again.
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Who holds the top spot for you?
Phish, 6.24.04, Verizon Wireless Music Center (Deer Creek)
Set II: Tube-->Run Like an Antelope
It was 27 minutes of total meltdown. A sheer half hour of my senses being assaulted. I just made a stop at Deer Creek a couple weeks ago to see DMB, and my face was still on the lawn a year later.
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hey dan, what the hell are you doing up at 6:37 am!!!!! thats a first....anyway I also agree..I think that the new breakfast is overall better..although I love listening to the old stuff as well..there\'s alot of crazy jams, and lots of experimenting....its like every taped show is a mark of progrees to what has finaly become of the band..........
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My first PB show was 1/26/01 @ Toads, and all I can say is that 44 shows later the Porters show in June just blew my mind. That was the single best performance IMHO. I think alot of people at that show can agree.
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To me everything i hear from old PB b4 Summer tour \'03 is great but comes nowhere close to the band they are now. Vocally 1000000x better. Groupmind more focused. Playing by each member increased by leaps and bounds. They may have seemed more psychedelic back then due to the incredible playing of TimmyP but now that the band is actually 4 equal members rather than the TimmyP and Animal show I think the jams have become more psychedelic in the fact that everyone KNOWS where they are going and when they do get lost it\'s not just Timmy coming to the rescue(RON). This equates to mind/face melting psychedelia.
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Who holds the top spot for you?
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The shows are already mind blowing at times and the band is no where near it\'s peak or ultimate potential yet.
This is exactly what I said after seeing them for the first time a couple months ago. They became #2 on my list of highest face-melting shows I\'ve ever been to, and I don\'t doubt that if they keep progressing at this level they will hold all the top spots someday.
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i think they are clearly better overall than they were just a few years ago and still getting better every day... steadily and surely perfecting what they do, at the same experimenting with new ideas. The shows are already mind blowing at times and the band is no where near it\'s peak or ultimate potential yet. Future breakfast will be even better than past and present combined imho. They are right on the verge of going somewhere insane and unheard of and the way things are clicking for them right now I wouldnt be surprised if some ser next level **** that blows EVERYONE away all over again went down this summer or fall. I think the boat cruise, 10k lakes, and moe down will all be huge shows that break boundries put the breakfast on the map to stay.
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well kyndkate, i would have to argue with you and say that i dont think you make it to the northeast often enough......
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From a newb standpoint: I haven\'t heard much of their old stuff at all, but they definitely have my attention with the new stuff. I can honestly say I haven\'t been disappointed once, except maybe the fact that they don\'t come to the Midwest often enough, haha.
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I love old PB, now when I say old I mean 01-02. They began to get pretty tight as
a group. It seemed like they jammed more and took thier jams to more places. I think when they dropped the Psychedelic name, they dropped alot of thier psychedelicness. Now of course, this is not to say they dont still kick ass.
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Last time I talked to JP from the Barn he said the insurance and Police hassles just got too much. I can see that, there is only so long that you can run a present day, care-free, NO RULES, Haight-Ashbury idealogical wonderland w/ NO AGE LIMIT and let EVERYONE DRINK that can obtain booze;)
:lol::lol::lol::jumpy:
I have absolutely nothing to add, that just needed repeating!
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I like it when Timmy plays the SG.
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Personally I liked tim\'s guitar sound better before the "stolen equipment incident". It had a more full sound, less pedal-driven effect. Now it seems to be over compressed and a bit over-driven for my taste. I think it started when he got the Mesa. This is just my opinion and I am sure others will disagree.
i agree i always like it much better when timmy\'s playing out of that silverface twin reverb rather than the mesa. i used to play out of a mesa and the thing was just WAYYYY too much for me. what did he use before the van-jack? i think he would sound best with like a blackface deluxe reverb or any pre-cbs fender amp.
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Last time I talked to JP from the Barn he said the insurance and Police hassles just got too much. I can see that, there is only so long that you can run a present day, care-free, NO RULES, Haight-Ashbury idealogical wonderland w/ NO AGE LIMIT and let EVERYONE DRINK that can obtain booze;)
Now puppet house would be Solid. Another idea that many other bands have employed(now esp. due to mgt. problems) is a residency somewhere in either CT/NY/MA, where-as the band would have a set night that they play a certain venue for a month/couple months. It doesn\'t have to interfere with TT, but if it did(SORRY GENCS) so be it. This strategy has worked for many of the smaller bands out there that have garnered recent rises in their popularity i.e. The Duo, Brothers Past, etc. Try to switch up the venue every month; do something to play shows until the "problem" is fixed.
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September 13th, 2001 - Harper\'s Ferry - Allston, MA
I: Hope* > Language of the Gods, Food For Thought**, Chameleon > Hard Luck Harry > Fairy > Drum Solo, Bugs > See the Light > Son of Simpleton, God Bless America
* Theme of the night ?Hope?
** Poem written by Tim Palmieri called ?911?
anyone have a copy of this little nugget?? night after the gear was ganked. anyone there?? as much as I dislike Harper\'s it would be nice to see them play this place again, due to its close proximity to my hood
followed by a birthday show for Adrian(the 14th at Iron Horse) that was unfortunatley overshadowed by the events.maybe a chance of hearin it is on that recording if its out there. the set was played well, but a universally down and out/rock bottom feeling among everyone...
Small shows in CT they totally let it hang loose i.e. Sully\'s, Cafe 9, and Porter\'s, which, it should be noted, have been widely regarded as the best shows in the last year.
don\'t forget uac.
edit: whoops! this is daffodil.
Bring Back POWDER HOLLOW BARN/ (possibly)PUPPETHOUSE!!!!
actually im assuming PHB (JP) is done booking there, anyone know?
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The MORE people that travel to see them, due to the unpredictability, added into the people that check them out local make for BIGGER shows!
i am waiting for them to come on even remotely close to the showtimes that are advertised/posted on tickets, websites, threads, etc.... people know they dont have to show up till 11 or so because there are like 5 openers and the band will be playing a one set wonder.....
i think it is coming to the time where they should be playing AT LEAST 2 full sets plus encore with a nice break inbetween.....if they went on at 8:30 or even 9:30....and people started walking into shows songs after it has begun..i think they will be more motivated to make it to shows from the beginning.....
and again...it doesnt have to be every single night, but start getting it out there that if you dont show up you are gonna miss a solo timmy set where animal comes out and plays a bass guitar, bass drum, cymbol, and a small tom or other drum for him to encorporate?? or maybe an acoustic breakfast set...for once....again
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Small shows in CT they totally let it hang loose i.e. Sully\'s, Cafe 9, and Porter\'s, which, it should be noted, have been widely regarded as the best shows in the last year.
don\'t forget uac.
edit: whoops! this is daffodil.
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Big shows and any shows on the road are buttoned up, trying to keep the crowd interested. Small shows in CT they totally let it hang loose i.e. Sully\'s, Cafe 9, and Porter\'s, which, it should be noted, have been widely regarded as the best shows in the last year.
This is what I do not get. I understand new album, I have heard this. BUT, there are other bands that have put out new albums and played the stuff off it alot, yet there are ALSO new songs alredy being tested all around the country at the same time.? If the shows that are mixed up are considered the best by even those who weren\'t there...shouldn\'t every show be mixed and unpredictable like that. THEN more people might go ON THE ROAD to see tB MORE! The MORE people that travel to see them, due to the unpredictability, added into the people that check them out local make for BIGGER shows!
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Wow it seems like yesterday when all of their stuff was stolen... I can\'t believe it was that logn ago....
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Several bands got hit that year and in Boston and NYC. I think someone figured out the vans/trailers are easy targets for making big money quick.
As for Old vs. New.
I think we got a lot more FUNK in the early days. The band had that funkiness to them. they still do but not as much. I think 1 thing I have really noticed is that there never seems to be any slow downs anymore. What I am trying to say (poorly) is the band has slower songs and stuff but they never seem to "break it down" anymore. They always seem to rev up the jams and then pull them back to come back in to the song. They very rarely in my experience slow something way way down for the other side of the spectrum get really nasty that way as opposed to Tim just shredding the **** out of something. Perhaps that is why I have been really drawn to Rons playing. He has been really keeping that Bass line tight and I can still here some of what I am talking about in his runs but the band as a whole not so much.
Vocals are def. better than they used to be. I agree with the in-ear monitors improving the vocals but a lot of that has to do maturity. They are just older and know (sometimes :) ) where their vocal ranges are.
PB had good kick ass venues to play. The Breakfast not so much (most of them have closed).
Too bad we cant get a Breakfast show at Tobacco Road. That would have been a hell of a time
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September 13th, 2001 - Harper\'s Ferry - Allston, MA
I: Hope* > Language of the Gods, Food For Thought**, Chameleon > Hard Luck Harry > Fairy > Drum Solo, Bugs > See the Light > Son of Simpleton, God Bless America
* Theme of the night ?Hope?
** Poem written by Tim Palmieri called ?911?
anyone have a copy of this little nugget?? night after the gear was ganked. anyone there?? as much as I dislike Harper\'s it would be nice to see them play this place again, due to its close proximity to my hood
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on 9/12/01, the band\'s van and trailer was stolen in boston. almost all equipment = gone. a little while after, i let adrian borrow my drums for 3+ years...
Tough week:
9/11 followed by 9/12
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damn bostonians. prob still no idea of who did it huh? whoever stole their stuff, what goes around comes around I guess
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After the band purchased in-ear monitors I noticed a dramatic improvement in their pitch and harmony. once they figured how to use them it was almost night and day. Some of the older stuff is really bad vocally. for a long while we just accepted the fact that they were a jam band and jam bands can\'t sing. Today, I wouldn\'t say they\'re an acapella quartet, but they are a hell of a lot better then back in 2001 and pre-in-ear.
Personally I liked tim\'s guitar sound better before the "stolen equipment incident". It had a more full sound, less pedal-driven effect. Now it seems to be over compressed and a bit over-driven for my taste. I think it started when he got the Mesa. This is just my opinion and I am sure others will disagree.
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on 9/12/01, the band\'s van and trailer was stolen in boston. almost all equipment = gone. a little while after, i let adrian borrow my drums for 3+ years...
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listening to an early show not too long ago in my car Adrian says from the backseat...\'man, i miss my old drums\' (the ones that got stolen)
whats they story on that? I heard bits and pieces of it but not the entire thing
basically, i think theyd be in a much better place had they not hit a wall like that!
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Top 10 Key Differences in Early Breakfast v. Current Breakfast
10. No more nightly drum solo.
9. Ron can sing.
8. Ron can play. I mean, really play.
7. They play everything a lot faster now.
6. The drumset. Original set > Dave\'s set > Current set have been major changes.
5. The vocals are about 5 times better now.
4. They can now shelve songs, although they have shelved a few too many. (Spunk and Kote need to be played.) I can\'t believe they used to play Love Lake like every night.
3. Dobson. Huge.
2. They used to be a lock for at least 4 covers a night. They are now at a paradox point where they have enough originals that they don\'t need to play covers, but they don\'t have enough originals to prevent serheads from seeing the same songs over and over. Then again, serheads go to a ton of shows.
1. For better or worse, they used to play whatever they wanted however they wanted all night, every night. The act is a lot more polished now. Certain songs are openers, certain songs are closers, certain songs are in roatation, others are shelved. Big shows and any shows on the road are buttoned up, trying to keep the crowd interested. Small shows in CT they totally let it hang loose i.e. Sully\'s, Cafe 9, and Porter\'s, which, it should be noted, have been widely regarded as the best shows in the last year.
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listening to an early show not too long ago in my car Adrian says from the backseat...\'man, i miss my old drums\' (the ones that got stolen)
basically, i think theyd be in a much better place had they not hit a wall like that!
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I know that it happened somewhere out on the road, but for me the turning point in how the band sounded was the Grand BandSlam! on 8/1/02.
INDEED....I can still feel the floor bouncin from that one....An amazing show...and definately the point where I was like, "WOW....these kids ARE really amazing"
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I know that it happened somewhere out on the road, but for me the turning point in how the band sounded was the Grand BandSlam! on 8/1/02. The group improvisation had grown so fast out on that first National Tour that I had a hard time believing that it was the same band. Special night, Jerry\'s BDay, and all. I still wish we got that encore you can hear us all yealling for at the end.
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Keep getting better every time I see them...main reason why they are the ONLY band I\'m current and passionate about!!!!!
Couldn\'t have said it better!
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Yeah come on now Dave. They\'re still in the "exposing the people to RR" phase. Just because WE\'VE heard the songs a million times now doesn\'t mean everyone has.
Please........We waited how long for a new album between Deuce and Real Radio????? and in that time we basically got one new original....
Will someone please pass the Honeybutter!!!!
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Yeah come on now Dave. They\'re still in the "exposing the people to RR" phase. Just because WE\'VE heard the songs a million times now doesn\'t mean everyone has.
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agreed. they used to play more covers because they didn\'t have so many originals. as for setlist predictability, let\'s hope we start hearing some new originals soon, as we seem to be hitting another \'dry spell\' with no new tunes (yes, i know RR is only 3 months old...)..
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Yes but I like the originals to covers ratio much bettert now!
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The one aspect I miss about Breakfast of old was the greater versatility of setlists. They used to cover many songs that are no longer played and so the setlists seemed less predictable than today. However, they have become segwich monsters over the past couple years and incorporate their setlist creativity accordingly.
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cant wait for rocks off the boat cruise in aug. and moe.down in sept.
See ya there!!! Boat cruiise is gonne be SUPER SER!!!!!!
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me too. its the onl band i listen too, every show its better and better, cant wait for rocks off the boat cruise in aug. and moe.down in sept.
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Keep getting better every time I see them...main reason why they are the ONLY band I\'m current and passionate about!!!!!
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just been listening to some early breakfast, well about as early as I can acquire. either way Ive noticed the change in many of hte tunes they currently play today and all I can say is holy ****, they really have evovled and are still evolving. hope they keep the jamming alive.