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Breakfast Babble => The Grand Scheme Of Things => Topic started by: leith on April 30, 2005, 01:47:16 pm
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there is more raw unadulterated musical genius in the breakfast than any other out there now... the youth of the band is why the promise is so great. i love the fact that they have been slowly growing, pains and all, at a nice slow pace. like the finest wine, this band will only ripen and perfect with age and experience. and the most amazing thing is, is that they do actually grow and learn and master more with each and every perfomance. i have seen it for nearly 100 shows now. i remember seeing psychedelic breakfast 5 years ago. i cannot wait and prey that i get to see the breakfast playing in 5 years from now....
timmy = psychedelic superhero and THE **** MAN :vomit:
adrian = best musician i have ever seen
ron = the glue
jordan = the surreality
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I will and do like everything they do....and trust me I know all about what it takes to play music in a band.
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I did not mean hack in a bad way WOW...we are talking about me fravrite band here
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I like segues from song to song, but hacking up songs to much I can do with out sometimes. Like Mooboo\'s or Hard luck Harry and many others, I like to hear straight though without songs in the middle of them. Another example, dont brake up the Chase that song is good just the way it is....than again...they have me under there power and I bow down to the almighty Tpalms. !Breakfast Rule!
just for the record, when you say the breakfast are hacking up their songs, they are actually perfectly segueing them between songs and making the set kind of a gigantic puzzle. it makes for a more exciting show, especially when they throw a gigantic curve ball, and is more of a god damn art than just hacking up songs. i think you have to be almost genious to be able to do it as well as they can. fuckin segue pros ****
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Freddie, is that scott from max creek
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shelf everything but grabity and the frucking scheme
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Maybe shelve Inner Glimpse for a few weeks or at least a couple shows;)
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fingers crossed
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i remeber reading that this was a cd release tour, basically to promote the new album. now that that is kind of done its time to have fun
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agreed
play with the songs a little bit more. experiment with some of them, pull them apart and see what happens.
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Less songs per set(some shows, not all)...more patient segues...Cosmic Spaceway Rhyme...Less incessant whining on this board...not asking for much
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Someday Steve you will match Wah in his stupidity. It seems that day is approaching faster everytime you post something directed @ me.
PFFFT :rolleyes: PFFFT
get ser guy
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nice avatar,fag...
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Patience is a virtue...I would like less songs per set and longer more patient segues.
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i dont dig the drop of a time changes.
they need to learn something from gd.
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I like the sudden changes, to be able to STOP in the middle of a groove and start up a whole other story without skipping a beat IMO is kick ass. sure everyone loves a smooth transition but it just goes to show the diversity in music selection of the boys. life isn\'t a smooth transition so why should anything else be different.
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not even worthy of a comment
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al z is turning into a wisenheimer
Is that German? I am already Swiss so maybe you are close enough.
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al z is turning into a wisenheimer
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i dont care about StephenGencs, Todd, Peck,or any other goofball that i coem into contact with...because I am saving my dong for Joe and Leith
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i dont care about joe,leith,or any other goofball that i coem into contact with...
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i havent caused any problems in DAYS..
realize that devopeck is NOT a frickin babysiter..
If you have finally learned that lesson, it has taken approximately two years to sink in.
Maybe just a little freaked out by the total removal of everything that smells like Joe?
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go kiss daves ass a little more you frickin kissass....
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i havent caused any problems in DAYS..
realize that devopeck is NOT a frickin babysiter..
Whatever. So you taking a couple days off from being the .info **** and now you\'re a saint? Come on now Wah. You know I have started just a small amt of **** compared to the swath you have left behind you on this board.
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i havent caused any problems in DAYS..
realize that devopeck is NOT a frickin babysiter..
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leith=bumshot/resident troublemaker
Is this a passing of the torch?
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leith=bumshot/resident troublemaker
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Ron I\'m with you man, some songs aren\'t meant to be broken up. Escher\'s Etchings and MooboosVoodoo have been getting split up lately and IMO it totally breaks the groove. Chase also didn\'t work well when I heard it split up.
Now, as they proved in Northampton a few months back Rufus can be split up all kinds of ways and it makes a badass show!
Depends on the song. If a segue leaves you thinking, "WTF just happened to my favorite song?" that\'s not a good thing. But if a segue serves to spread the energy throughout the show and the whole thing is a coherent concept, that\'s what its all about.
Mooboo\'s>No Quarter>Voodoo insanely perfect w/ no breakup of the groove. It works so well it\'s ridiculous. When they pull segues off to the point where you need to relisten to it to actually pinpoint song changes is where this band stands seperate from most other bands today.
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Leith,
Battle won! There has been an increase in "Supporting Member" tags since the first time this topic was brought up. Consider yourself victorious for now.
lol yeah like any victory lasts long on this board. I really don\'t see it as such I\'m just glad that one of the most rabid detractors of sending money to the site finally caved. If being a dartboard for awhile helped accomplish this I am fine w/ that.
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on 3/30 they went Mooboo\'s>Doughboy>Mooboo\'s and i thought it was incredible. they built the slow jam in the start perfectly into the intro to Doughboy, came out of it so nice and when i heard those fournotes of Mooboo come back (right before "ahhhhh, and im so sad") i was losing my ****. it was **** awesome. i also requested Mooboo\'s before the show when i was talking to Tim, and trust me i wasnt upset that they \'broke up\' one of my faves that i requested, i was psyched with how well they pulled off the segs. actually, they do the same thing on 3.12.04 Porter\'s, the best DVD show ever.
i see what youre saying, but i needed to counteract because of personal experience still fresh in my pants.
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Ron I\'m with you man, some songs aren\'t meant to be broken up. Escher\'s Etchings and MooboosVoodoo have been getting split up lately and IMO it totally breaks the groove. Chase also didn\'t work well when I heard it split up.
Now, as they proved in Northampton a few months back Rufus can be split up all kinds of ways and it makes a badass show!
Depends on the song. If a segue leaves you thinking, "WTF just happened to my favorite song?" that\'s not a good thing. But if a segue serves to spread the energy throughout the show and the whole thing is a coherent concept, that\'s what its all about.
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Leith,
Battle won! There has been an increase in "Supporting Member" tags since the first time this topic was brought up. Consider yourself victorious for now.
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<<< Leith, Check out the tag ****...RESPEK...now instead of shoving yours up your ass sideways......you can just suck on mine....
:fucktard:
Someday Steve you will match Wah in his stupidity. It seems that day is approaching faster everytime you post something directed @ me.
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<<< Leith, Check out the tag ****...RESPEK...now instead of shoving yours up your ass sideways......you can just suck on mine....
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and everyone else would have to if they didn\'t go. all in all i was a good show. just want like 2000 people to bust throught the doors and tear the place up
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I have the Webster,(my bro JAson A. hooks a brother up!) Awesome show, MFD sends shivers down my spine, drums sound HUGE got to love it. 2nd set is kind of weak with the sound but listenable...sounds like its better on cd than if you where there, from what I have read. ...but I still wish I was there.....
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I like segues from song to song, but hacking up songs to much I can do with out sometimes. Like Mooboo\'s or Hard luck Harry and many others, I like to hear straight though without songs in the middle of them. Another example, dont brake up the Chase that song is good just the way it is....than again...they have me under there power and I bow down to the almighty Tpalms. !Breakfast Rule!
you probably would have liked the webster show.....if you didnt go. they played a bunch of songs i expected to be broken up, like buquebus and HLH, but not so much
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I like segues from song to song, but hacking up songs to much I can do with out sometimes. Like Mooboo\'s or Hard luck Harry and many others, I like to hear straight though without songs in the middle of them. Another example, dont brake up the Chase that song is good just the way it is....than again...they have me under there power and I bow down to the almighty Tpalms. !Breakfast Rule!
You know I was just listening to 3/25/05 and when they go from See the Light into Attraction it is so abrupt, it really threw me for a second or 2 and not in a good way. I mean the segue works but I think going from the light melodies of See the Light into the heaviness of Attraction just tore me away from the jam too much. That said when they come back to STL all is good.
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I like segues from song to song, but hacking up songs to much I can do with out sometimes. Like Mooboo\'s or Hard luck Harry and many others, I like to hear straight though without songs in the middle of them. Another example, dont brake up the Chase that song is good just the way it is....than again...they have me under there power and I bow down to the almighty Tpalms. !Breakfast Rule!
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you know what needs to happen is timmy to do a side project with les.........because those 2 together would be some crazy ****
NO doubt!!!
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you know what needs to happen is timmy to do a side project with les.........because those 2 together would be some crazy ****
TRUTH
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you know what needs to happen is timmy to do a side project with les.........because those 2 together would be some crazy ****
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Man how I wish I could just delete this thread. Ok attempt one to get it back on track. So we know where we stand on covers how abt this thought.
How abt a segue free show? Ok an all segue show I mean ALL Segue even leave a loop running @ setbreak and p/u from there 2nd set and keep going ahhhhh
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That\'s weak Todd. Remind me to bring down a case of Hit the Trail next time I come down to CT... Plus the Blackberry Wheat is finally in bloom!!!
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No LT\'s of any variety at Richter\'s
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heard of it, THANK GOD, never needed it
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Long Trail
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ever hear of rehab?
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will you buy me an LT, if so I\'m there....
:hscratch:
LT= Long Trail?, little testicle?, leather trenchcoat?
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ever hear of medication?
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will you buy me an LT, if so I\'m there....
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:zzz: :zzz: :zzz:
Make it out to an \'05 show...then you can talk.
Don\'t worry, no one will hurt you
(too much)
j/k
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I\'m talking about TB shows. As far as Timmy shows, I managed to see a **** load in 02-03, i wasnt impressed... I mean it all sounded the same after the third show.
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Timmy shows/Boomer shows ARE NOT TB shows.... Unless all of their jams take on various thematic elements each and every night it all sounds the same to me.... random notes played at fast speeds.
I don\'t believe anyone ever said they were. Gotta be a seer to be a believer. Don\'t go bashing Timmy Tour now, guy!!!
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Timmy shows/Boomer shows ARE NOT TB shows.... Unless all of their jams take on various thematic elements each and every night it all sounds the same to me.... random notes played at fast speeds.
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checking back on the Spacewolf baseball line odds sheet, there are 62 songs that are not covers that they play but only about 45 or so are regular rotation songs.
I agree that if they could strech out their material over 3 days then it would be more attractive for some non-CT diehards to make the trek to see them. I think that they need 80-100 pieces of material to have a nice break between playing songs. That way we don\'t need to hear Inner Glimpse every show.
Also, I believe that covers, like them or hate them, need to be taken down from an average of 3 down to 1. Unless, much like Phish did with some of their covers, they have to make them completely their own.
New material = more shows
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posted on my own thread in Dec of last year...this idea was months ahead of it\'s time and was looked down on HORRIBLY by some of the very people cheering this subject today, hmmmm?
12/11/04 at like 10 or so AM
Here is my point explained ina different way. Let\'s say last night\'s show was an average # of songs(looks like it), that would put song total at 17(w/ encore). They have 45 original songs(46 if you include the song on RR that hasn\'t been played yet. This means that they could go 2 whole shows and 3/4 of the 3rd show without any repeats and that is just playing originals which ain\'t gonna happen.
Using last nights list again they played 3 covers which I would say is about avg for the band on any given night. This would mean that they could easily go 3 shows without a single repeat in a setlist.
My main point is that they would again(only my opinion) gain a larger fanbase if they mixed up setlists a little more. People aren\'t going to want to travel to see the same 10 or so songs over and over again(here I am talking about others than the diehard CT area fans). What do ya think?
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your opinions are bunk if you are just operating out of a unibomber like cabin up in vermont
:lol:
I miss you Steve!
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go out on a high point.
thats a veteran right there,ladies and gentlemen..
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2 in a row?!?!?!....
i\'m hot tonight.....
thank you and good night all.......
see you tomorrow....i am outta here...
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Joe you cannot possibly be ser.......
you haven\'t been to a show in over a year....
have you ever been to a solo timmy or smokin boomers show?
do you realize how much changes in the music from one show to the next? let alone 15 months....
your opinions are bunk if you are just operating out of a unibomber like cabin up in vermont judging this band and this scene by what you stream and read off of the internet....I really dont think the band gives a crap what you think they should or should not play....
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your jealous of my dream set list wahhh
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i refuse to give you another second of my attention..
try again tommorow.
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I\'m sure Tim knows those songs.... When a band does that (ie gd covers for the sake of getting the crowd moving) they\'re whoring themselves and losing artistic originality. If they need to get a crowd moving Drunk Monk Bar>Buquebus>Drunk Monk Bar>Echidnas Arf>Drunk Monk Bar>Son of Simpleton>Drunk Monk Bar
word...
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joe,if they can play a gd tune,and get the crowd into it a little more,
why the **** are they gonna play Nektar\'s "A Tab in the Ocean"
Peter Gabriel\'s"Morbound the Burgermeister" that nobody,including the band knows,except you?
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rolling eyes profusely
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Joe, ill say it again, Scarlet Begonias at Lafayette was the best cover by any band ever. BAD BAD BAD? you cant be **** ser.
oh yeah, joe, after this weekend ive realized that i would be more than happy to show up at a Breakfast show if i knew i was gonna get the **** kicked out of me. id take a beating if i was in the venue and could hear the music. you have no excuses. none.
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overall,fans love gd covers.
give the people what they want.
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gd covers take away IMO the originality of the band. There are thousands of uncoverd songs that rock a lot, I\'m just saying that it seems TB are just beating them into the ground when they could be covering sooo many other kick ass songs. They have the ability to expose listeners to new and better music. So why not take advantage of it??
I heartily recommend
Nektar\'s "A Tab in the Ocean"
Peter Gabriel\'s"Morbound the Burgermeister"!!
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I agree with you on that one. I actually enjoy Help>Slip covers just because its the Dead\'s progressive anthem, so I dont mind when TB plays it. And I cant stand Franklins, too **** hippy dippie for me. I just wish that TB would only cover Help>slip as far as Dead covers go... The rest are BAD BAD BAD. There are already a gazillion Dead cover bands, TB is way better than that, more original than that. Don\'t fall victim to the flow!!!
are you a breakfast fan??????/ havent seen them in a year and three months.....hate this, hate that... whats the deal? reminds me of your typical anonymous basher...go see a show guy, and i guarantee you will dig any cover......
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overall,fans love gd covers.
give the people what they want.
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Living in Vermont has lessened my love for the Dead drastically. I thought I would find Phish heads up here, boy was I wrong. Dead this, dead that.... sssighhhh
Or I\'ll dig TB covering Lost Sailor>Saint any day of the year..
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shakedown at cafe 9 was perfect
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I agree with you on that one. I actually enjoy Help>Slip covers just because its the Dead\'s progressive anthem, so I dont mind when TB plays it. And I cant stand Franklins, too **** hippy dippie for me. I just wish that TB would only cover Help>slip as far as Dead covers go... The rest are BAD BAD BAD. There are already a gazillion Dead cover bands, TB is way better than that, more original than that. Don\'t fall victim to the flow!!!
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tim also doesn\'t like franklins
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My last show was last week, and they played Help > Slip which was totally sweet. Personally I love the fact that they don\'t go into Franklin\'s -- that song annoys me. Yes I know, I should be shot. I just don\'t like Franklins!! The fact that PB does help > slip and then into one of their own tunes is money.
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Last time I saw them was Uconn Feb 2004........
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Last time I saw them was Uconn 2004........
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thats what i like to hear Rusty, the Begonias from Lafayette was the best cover ever played by any band. :instrumentsonfire:
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I don\'t care how many times I\'ve heard the dead and the doors, I will NEVER grow tired of a band llike the Breakfast playing LA WOMAN and SCARLET B\'s..... songs like that always hit the spot for me.
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gordo,good move.
hey can you aim me?
freddiewah
aim you?
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I am still waiting for my Breakfast Deep Elem.....
But to see something like Punky Reggae Party teased makes me happy....I would have lost my **** at that May Fly w/ teases....
as i did. honestly, though, i felt like i was the only one who knew what the **** was going on with the tease. i freaked out and then got a bunch of looks that said "im smiling and shaking my head yes as if i know why gordo is happy, but whats going on? i wish i knew.."
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I am still waiting for my Breakfast Deep Elem.....
But to see something like Punky Reggae Party teased makes me happy....I would have lost my **** at that May Fly w/ teases....
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gordo,good move.
hey can you aim me?
freddiewah
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no chicago setlist? whassupwitdat?
i sent an email to dave at 4am sharp when i got home, let the man sleep a little on this sunday.
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personally, I enjoi seeing the boys play a cover song here and there. a bit of a rotation in thier choices may help, and obviously an updated list of covers would be schweet. bringing back some Phish tunes seems to be desired by most listeners ( Y.E.M., Stash) and introducing newer ones (It\'s Ice) could easily bring in a bunch of whiny, "I want MY phish back" pEEps, who would hopefully be blown away by this multibeast that is the Breakfast.
"I mean the first time I heard breakfast play YEM they blew phish out of the water.......and thats the moment I realized, these guys are incredible!!!"
true dat
gd covers= Jordan cannot escape his days with Shakedown ( and he is Pigpen, btw).. plus, who doesn\'t like hearing a raging Chinacat?? certainly not this d00d
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no chicago setlist? whassupwitdat?
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fresh cut is a great tune.
once they mellow out and stop playing it so much,it has the potential to be epic
two straight nights, no Fresh Cut.
epic? :no:
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fresh cut is a great tune.
once they mellow out and stop playing it so much,it has the potential to be epic
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i thought the fresh cut in gloversville was awesome.
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I\'m probably just saying this because I haven\'t seen them in a year
Which show was that? Any death threats that night?
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Keep them all, covers included........except Fresh Cut.
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last night the Scarlet Begonias was the best cover by any band ive ever heard. granted ive only seen two Breakfast shows, but that **** was ridiculous last night. i think ya\'ll are spoiled by seeing them so many times playing so many covers, incl. a lot of repeats. it was my first time hearing them cover GD live, and it was out of control.
fairy was outstanding last night, couldnt have been more impressed with a song that i didnt care for too much before i heard it live.
i agree too much RR as of late, even watching the crowd last night, the older tunes got people moving (w/the exception of Gravity, which i guess has been around for awhile anyways) a lot more than RR.
8 new tunes are coming?!?!?! thats HUGE...... if its true.
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I liked the original version more.
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i like fairy.
its great with pevar on the album.
also way better then when it first came out.
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maturity shmaturity, i want silliness w/ my breakfast.
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I miss the old Fairy though... I\'ll admit to taking credit for Fairy\'s comeback. Back a few years ago they would barely play it and I would always berate Tim, telling him how **** amazing and beautiful it was. I mean I would **** at him constantly. ALl of a sudden it made a comeback.. Woo hoo!!!
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They need 12 more originals!!!!!! I\'m just being greedy now, but oh well...
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fairy = time to grab a **** and take a beer.
come on igzy.........fairy is by far one of their most advanced tunes.......it shows a lot of maturity
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supposedly 8 new originals are ready.
plus one really special one,that everybodys been waiting for.
and i think a new version of za(the ra in my diet)..
bout time!
a couple more originals and they can do 3 shows without repeating a tune.
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fairy = time to grab a **** and take a beer.
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NO WAY KEEP FAIRY... ATSD is one of the most annoying TB songs ever. Its predictable, meant to WOW the audience with how fast they can play and switch time signatures. Fairy is a powerful emotional rollercoaster.......
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supposedly 8 new originals are ready.
plus one really special one,that everybodys been waiting for.
and i think a new version of za(the ra in my diet)..
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not w/ fairy in there it won\'t be. put in an ATSD, and then i may be inclined to agree.
as far as playing the RR songs to death. well, that what happens when bands come out w/ albums, so i\'ve learned to live w/ it. i\'m just waiting for something new, dare i say, now i\'m ready for some fresh cuts.
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Gravity > See the Light (inverted) > Fairy > Gravity
could be best segue ever.confirmed.
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i agree. as important as it is to promote the new album, they should play some more of their older stuff. there are such great songs that you don\'t hear often (not that they should be played out) like see the light, garcian..etc
See the Light needs to be played more... unconfirmed but I still think it\'s true.
Dare I mention it yet again... Gravity > See the Light (inverted) > Fairy > Gravity
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That\'s what happens. If they are in a small venue, small crowd, they usually bust out the shitty covers ie Scarlet, Shakedown etc.... It\'s sad that they have to "sell" their peformances. I say just go onstage and rage....
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they also need to stop playing 75% of real radio every frickin show.
haha i completely agree - but have patience freddie, that will die down with time -- they are still having CD release parties for real radio, so they sorta have to keep playing tunes from the album they\'re promoting...
as far as cover songs go, i think its great that they can cover such a wide range of songs/artists - i really feel as though they don\'t adapt their style to the cover song they\'re playing, but rather, they modify the songs to their style, which takes so much talent...its a great thing to watch/hear...
...i could do without as many cover songs, however... i can imagine on the road though, in places where people aren\'t familiar with your originals, you need some cover songs here and there to keep the energy up, maybe..??
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they also need to stop playing 75% of real radio every frickin show.
i agree. as important as it is to promote the new album, they should play some more of their older stuff. there are such great songs that you don\'t hear often (not that they should be played out) like see the light, garcian..etc
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On the contrary, they need to play more and more Real Radio, they just need to cut Fresh Cut completly.... I\'m probably just saying this because I haven\'t seen them in a year, I\'m sure I\'d be sick of the RR material if I saw them as much as everyone else.
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they also need to stop playing 75% of real radio every frickin show.
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They need some new covers STAT, they also need some new originals so they can put some dogs to sleep (phaddy, VT song plus many others)...
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the right cover at the right time is ideal..
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I dunno, I think covers are a vital part to a jam band. Most people get into a band because they hear a real good cover and realize how good these guys are!!
I mean the first time I heard breakfast play YEM they blew phish out of the water.......and thats the moment I realized, these guys are incredible!!! so covers are good, not all of them and not all the time but they should always keep a few on reserve.
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ep2(mooboos voodoo)=the best tune of all frickin time,confirmed
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I hear you. You want the people to recognize how good they are in and amongst themselves. Either way is good, as long as the people come out and support the band. They are plenty good enough with their own material.
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I think seeing them do Dead songs is good because the average newbie is so familliar with the song that they can recognize how good The Breakfast is doing the song. They do Help/Slipknot and Scarlet so good that it would be hard not to see it, but I don\'t get paid to think.
ditto..esp. w/ shakedown st.
on the other hand, i do like seeing the breakfast shows with no covers
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OH and could Mooboo\'s quite possibly be the best song ever written? hmmmmmm
CHECK!!
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I just don\'t like hearing from a new fan who is just seeing them for the first time and their only thoughts on the show are \'they did a great scarlet begonias(or LA Woman). Call me crazy, but I just find it a little disheartening, esp when they got songs like Rufus, Mooboos or Hardluck Harry in the setlist, and I wanna hear them say \'what was that song they closed the show w/, it was badass\' or something along those lines.
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I think seeing them do Dead songs is good because the average newbie is so familliar with the song that they can recognize how good The Breakfast is doing the song. They do Help/Slipknot and Scarlet so good that it would be hard not to see it, but I don\'t get paid to think.
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a cover or two every show is no big deal to me, all jambands do it anyways, and some of them(In the Flesh, Hush, etc.) are the ****. I can do w/o most Dead or Doors covers though.
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So when watching the Porter\'s DVD I was TOTALLY thrown off by Vera St. It is before the added lyrics and it is really awkward to hear. Tim was Brilliant to add those verses.
Also LDZ Fast or Slow? I absolutely LOVE the 10/9/04 Version of LDZ its so mellow compared to the LDZ on the Porter\'s DVD which is played normally or fast. I think I prefer slower versions of LDZ.
I would like to see more not all but more local Breakfast shows be coverfree. No you cheap bastards not free admission. ALL BREAKFAST. Their Originals are AWESOME. I understand playing covers for new crowds and bars but local shows usually have a low amt of new fans so why bother playing covers?
How abt a segue free show? Ok an all segue show I mean ALL Segue even leave a loop running @ setbreak and p/u from there 2nd set and keep going ahhhhh
ok enuff rambling
OH and could Mooboo\'s quite possibly be the best song ever written? hmmmmmm