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General Discussions => Spunk => Topic started by: FrankZappa on April 15, 2005, 07:51:24 am
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Healthcare in the U.S. is too gray in too many areas that\'s why I stopped working in the system years ago and became a lighting designer.
ha... excellent point :D
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Healthcare in the U.S. is too gray in too many areas that\'s why I stopped working in the system years ago and became a lighting designer.
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It was only unconstitional or illegal to do what he did being that it was the only pharmacy around and therefore he KNEW that the prescription was nontransferable to another pharmacy as his was the only one within a reasonable distance.
indeed the actual written law was violated ... but in addition, the pharmacists\' code of ethics was violated ... when you become a professional in the medical field, you take upon the responsibility of making the right decision regardless of standing opinions and beliefs. this pharmacist served as a road block between the patient and her healthcare... the absolute antithesis of what a pharmacist is there for....
As for 80 yr old men having sex if you deemed it to be a health risk to the patient would you still give the **** to him? What if he obtained the scrip from a Dr. other than his normal Dr. because that Dr. told him \'have sex, your heart will explode\'.
Another Gray area it seems to me.
....welcome to my job. it is the responsibility of the pharmacist to monitor things like that -- if the patient is taking drugs for congestive heart failure, then yes, they should not be getting ****... we would not fill the prescription until we had an OK from the physician... had we dispensed a medication that knowingly would have caused fatality, and someone died, the pharmacist would be liable...
.. indeed this industry is *full* of gray areas which is why we go to school for 6 years to become pharmacists -- in addition to the scientific aspect of the industry, there are many more factors that go into this practice. in my studies there has been a tremendous focus on patient care and developing into professionals who can make competent decisions, based on the needs of the patient, rather than the pharmacist... the behavior of the pharmacist in this case fundamentally goes against everything i\'ve learned, which is why i found it so offensive...
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It\'s easy to say do your job but the pharmicist was doing his job that\'s my point. The problem is the nebulous area of when does a life actually start? The pharmicist in question believes that stopping the fertilization process is akin to murder. Therefore he was doing his job as he feels life is important and did not want to take part in what he considered a murder.
One can not always just leave your beliefs at the door when it comes to healthcare and some other jobs. One is always in a position to teach/guide patients and it is usually left up to the individual how to do such instruction. There are many gray areas in healthcare and as can be seen from the court battles in place now the sides are strictly divided. Now was this guy overstepping his boundries in guidence? Probably but we do not know the community standard in the town this took place. If the general consensus of that community is that the pharmicist was correct than that is how it goes and will keep going that way.
...indeed, one certainly cannot forget their beliefs regardless of the profession; however, that\'s part of the sacrifice one must make when placing yourself in the medical field.... especially when it involves dispensing a pill that must be taken 72 hours after unprotected sex to be effective... it was grossly unconstitutional to deny that woman her medication-- she had every right by state laws to obtain her prescription-- im personally horrified that there have actually been laws passed to defend pharmacists\' denial of *birth control* -- honestly you think with all the damn methadone and oxycontin we dispense, somebody would have a moral problem with the overwheliming epidemic of prescription junkies that we\'ve created...
... and honestly, its against my moral beliefs that 80-year-old men should be having sex, but i smile kindly and give them their ****/levitra/cialis despite my personal convictions....
It was only unconstitional or illegal to do what he did being that it was the only pharmacy around and therefore he KNEW that the prescription was nontransferable to another pharmacy as his was the only one within a reasonable distance.
As for 80 yr old men having sex if you deemed it to be a health risk to the patient would you still give the **** to him? What if he obtained the scrip from a Dr. other than his normal Dr. because that Dr. told him \'have sex, your heart will explode\'.
Another Gray area it seems to me.
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the door was open!! i couldn\'t help it..besides, who wouldn\'t have?? i was hoping to see a cutie or something but it was more like rodney dangerfield (RIP)
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...and honestly, its against my moral beliefs that 80-year-old men should be having sex, but i smile kindly and give them their ****/levitra/cialis despite my personal convictions....
probably the most disgusting thing i can think of right now..especially since i saw a door open to the men\'s locker room at the gym today and saw a nakey 70-80 year old\'s ass..REALLY REALLY NOT COOL[/QUOTE]
that\'s not right, bad metal picture. what are you doing peeking in the guys locker room anyway
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...and of course it upsets me to see these kids coming in literally every 2 weeks for a morning after pill -- but who are we to judge?
that bothers me a lot...girls who will just keep going for the morning after pill as a form of contraception are morons..use a damn condom
...and honestly, its against my moral beliefs that 80-year-old men should be having sex, but i smile kindly and give them their ****/levitra/cialis despite my personal convictions....
probably the most disgusting thing i can think of right now..especially since i saw a door open to the men\'s locker room at the gym today and saw a nakey 70-80 year old\'s ass..REALLY REALLY NOT COOL
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as a student of pharmacy, and having been employed in a pharmacy for almost 6 years
Were you at the Plantation Club last time??? Things are starting to fall into place now. :lol:
oh noooo todd you\'re onto me.... slipped ya a mickey :lol:
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It\'s easy to say do your job but the pharmicist was doing his job that\'s my point. The problem is the nebulous area of when does a life actually start? The pharmicist in question believes that stopping the fertilization process is akin to murder. Therefore he was doing his job as he feels life is important and did not want to take part in what he considered a murder.
One can not always just leave your beliefs at the door when it comes to healthcare and some other jobs. One is always in a position to teach/guide patients and it is usually left up to the individual how to do such instruction. There are many gray areas in healthcare and as can be seen from the court battles in place now the sides are strictly divided. Now was this guy overstepping his boundries in guidence? Probably but we do not know the community standard in the town this took place. If the general consensus of that community is that the pharmicist was correct than that is how it goes and will keep going that way.
...indeed, one certainly cannot forget their beliefs regardless of the profession; however, that\'s part of the sacrifice one must make when placing yourself in the medical field.... especially when it involves dispensing a pill that must be taken 72 hours after unprotected sex to be effective... it was grossly unconstitutional to deny that woman her medication-- she had every right by state laws to obtain her prescription-- im personally horrified that there have actually been laws passed to defend pharmacists\' denial of *birth control* -- honestly you think with all the damn methadone and oxycontin we dispense, somebody would have a moral problem with the overwheliming epidemic of prescription junkies that we\'ve created...
... and honestly, its against my moral beliefs that 80-year-old men should be having sex, but i smile kindly and give them their ****/levitra/cialis despite my personal convictions....
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I find it funny that people forget abt the pharmacist\'s right to have beliefs also.
it\'s their job, leith. sure, you can have beliefs, but they\'re your beliefs. your job is to serve the public, who may not share these beliefs. what business do you have to say what someone else can/can\'t do?
to me, this is the equivalent of a Jewish Waiter refusing to serve food because it isn\'t Kosher.
wow... as a student of pharmacy, and having been employed in a pharmacy for almost 6 years, i\'d have to say this article really pisses me off...
... its not about the morals behind pharmacy, its about doing your damn job.... besides oral contraception isn\'t just for prevention of pregnancy -- women take horomone replacements for many other reasons (prevent seizures, etc...)... so the pharmacist\'s moral interventions are just plain ridiculous -- do your damn job....
we do, as pharmacists, have the right to refuse any prescription...and of course it upsets me to see these kids coming in literally every 2 weeks for a morning after pill -- but who are we to judge? we give them their medicine and send them on their way, no questions asked. that\'s the whole philosophy behind pharmacy as i\'ve been exposed to.... we try to give the patient as much information/guidance as we can... but that\'s our boundary...
It\'s easy to say do your job but the pharmicist was doing his job that\'s my point. The problem is the nebulous area of when does a life actually start? The pharmicist in question believes that stopping the fertilization process is akin to murder. Therefore he was doing his job as he feels life is important and did not want to take part in what he considered a murder.
One can not always just leave your beliefs at the door when it comes to healthcare and some other jobs. One is always in a position to teach/guide patients and it is usually left up to the individual how to do such instruction. There are many gray areas in healthcare and as can be seen from the court battles in place now the sides are strictly divided. Now was this guy overstepping his boundries in guidence? Probably but we do not know the community standard in the town this took place. If the general consensus of that community is that the pharmicist was correct than that is how it goes and will keep going that way.
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glad to see some debating going! :thumbsup: I agree with most of you pharmacist should be distributing what they need to according to the pescription. Leave your convictions at the door when you come to work. The point that really struck me is the girl who was told no by the only pharmacy open for a pill that had to be taken within a set number of hours! Thats just wrong imo.
Didnt hear about this on foxnews, cnn, nbc, abc, etc... once again proving why I get my news from sources outside of the US.
"we\'re simply transfering neutrino strands! if you can think of an easier way to do it, I\'d love to hear it!"
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as a student of pharmacy, and having been employed in a pharmacy for almost 6 years
Were you at the Plantation Club last time??? Things are starting to fall into place now. :lol:
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"abortion (pills) for some, and miniature american flags for others"
Ever hear of a lyricist names Sage Francis, he\'s got a tune called Make Shift Patriot, good stuff. I\'m liking a lot of the underground political hip hop. if your looking for something new and interesting check him out, local Rhode Islander.
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OK here we go. I think the pharmacist\'s have every right to refuse to fill prescriptions. The reason I say this is due to the inordinate amount of prescription drug abuse. The law is in place to protect pharmacists from being compromised by someone w/ an illegal prescription. As for having access to any kind of medication/birth control find another pharmacy. It is ridiculous that these pharmacist\'s are refusing to dispense a prescribed medication but it is in their right to do so. I find it funny that people forget abt the pharmacist\'s right to have beliefs also.
As for kids having kids well that\'s another thread where the reason we have adoption agencies can be debated.
yeah..pharmacists don\'t need to give every kid ritalin, i agree with that one. but while i respect your opinion, it isn\'t a pharmacist\'s right to refuse a woman birth control. sure they have beliefs and that\'s great, but i don\'t really care. if i need some medicine that i went to the doctor and had prescribed for me, they had better give it to me.
as for giving kids up for adoption, i don\'t think i would be down with carrying a baby for 9 months and then giving it away to a stranger..adoption is great for people who can\'t concieve but the thought of having to give away a baby to someone else is something i wouldn\'t be able to handle.
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I find it funny that people forget abt the pharmacist\'s right to have beliefs also.
it\'s their job, leith. sure, you can have beliefs, but they\'re your beliefs. your job is to serve the public, who may not share these beliefs. what business do you have to say what someone else can/can\'t do?
to me, this is the equivalent of a Jewish Waiter refusing to serve food because it isn\'t Kosher.
... its not about the morals behind pharmacy, its about doing your damn job.... besides oral contraception isn\'t just for prevention of pregnancy -- women take horomone replacements for many other reasons (prevent seizures, etc...)... so the pharmacist\'s moral interventions are just plain ridiculous -- do your damn job....
:thumbsup: thank you pharmacesstcaspian. ;)
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"abortion (pills) for some, and miniature american flags for others"
rotfl :lol: "and always twirling, twirling towards freedom!"
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I find it funny that people forget abt the pharmacist\'s right to have beliefs also.
it\'s their job, leith. sure, you can have beliefs, but they\'re your beliefs. your job is to serve the public, who may not share these beliefs. what business do you have to say what someone else can/can\'t do?
to me, this is the equivalent of a Jewish Waiter refusing to serve food because it isn\'t Kosher.
wow... as a student of pharmacy, and having been employed in a pharmacy for almost 6 years, i\'d have to say this article really pisses me off...
... its not about the morals behind pharmacy, its about doing your damn job.... besides oral contraception isn\'t just for prevention of pregnancy -- women take horomone replacements for many other reasons (prevent seizures, etc...)... so the pharmacist\'s moral interventions are just plain ridiculous -- do your damn job....
we do, as pharmacists, have the right to refuse any prescription...and of course it upsets me to see these kids coming in literally every 2 weeks for a morning after pill -- but who are we to judge? we give them their medicine and send them on their way, no questions asked. that\'s the whole philosophy behind pharmacy as i\'ve been exposed to.... we try to give the patient as much information/guidance as we can... but that\'s our boundary...
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I find it funny that people forget abt the pharmacist\'s right to have beliefs also.
it\'s their job, leith. sure, you can have beliefs, but they\'re your beliefs. your job is to serve the public, who may not share these beliefs. what business do you have to say what someone else can/can\'t do?
to me, this is the equivalent of a Jewish Waiter refusing to serve food because it isn\'t Kosher.
No Doubt
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"abortion (pills) for some, and miniature american flags for others"
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I find it funny that people forget abt the pharmacist\'s right to have beliefs also.
it\'s their job, leith. sure, you can have beliefs, but they\'re your beliefs. your job is to serve the public, who may not share these beliefs. what business do you have to say what someone else can/can\'t do?
to me, this is the equivalent of a Jewish Waiter refusing to serve food because it isn\'t Kosher.
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OK here we go. I think the pharmacist\'s have every right to refuse to fill prescriptions. The reason I say this is due to the inordinate amount of prescription drug abuse. The law is in place to protect pharmacists from being compromised by someone w/ an illegal prescription. As for having access to any kind of medication/birth control find another pharmacy. It is ridiculous that these pharmacist\'s are refusing to dispense a prescribed medication but it is in their right to do so. I find it funny that people forget abt the pharmacist\'s right to have beliefs also.
As for kids having kids well that\'s another thread where the reason we have adoption agencies can be debated.
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know your role.
ring up the **** pills.
shut your mouth.
kthxbye.
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wow..what a bunch of sexist right winged jesus freaks probably plotting to bomb an abortion clinic..
it\'s really scary to think that these people can still have "their" laws having to do with sex/religion/pharmaceutical drugs in 2005. the people that won\'t give women birth control/morning after pills are adding onto a problem that really degrades women. as a girl, i\'m really not about the baby-mama thing..kids are great, but i don\'t wanna have any until i\'m ready to and that\'s a choice i should be able to have as a **** person. i should be allowed to have access to any kind of medication or birth control i need whenever i want. i\'m not even 20 and i\'ve already been to a few baby showers for friends MY AGE because of their religious/family\'s moral values. it makes me sick that these **** christian **** would rather see a woman ruin her life than make a situation so much easier. i could go on for a really long time but i\'ll stop. :)
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Unbelievable
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One thing I don\'t understand is where is this separation of Church and State that this nation was founded upon. What happened to our rights as individuals. I don\'t F\'n care what someone else thinks is healthy for me or not. What, are they going to stop selling rubbers to, because as far as religion goes there against that to. How about hand cream and adult novelties so no one can spank it anymore. Fascist radicals need to worry about what\'s happening in there home and not mine.
Stepping Down, Sorry, but for a free nation we definitely take it in the pooper
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this jackass should have his license revoked. religious crusaders **** me off more than just about anything else.
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this is just sad...
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By Tilly Cowan and Meade Harris
The latest religious voice to emerge in US society is that of the pharmacist.
A growing number of pharmacists across America are refusing to dispense birth control and the morning-after pill, because it goes against their religious and moral convictions.
This development has led to state legislatures across the country taking action, either to protect women\'s rights to obtain birth control or to uphold the pharmacist\'s right to refuse it.
The issue has become heated in several states, which already have laws allowing pharmacists to refuse to fill prescriptions for contraceptives, including birth control pills.
In Arizona, the House of Representatives recently approved legislation that would put into place a conscience clause for pharmacists who have objections to handing out birth control.
But in April, Illinois Governor Rod R Blogojevich filed a rule requiring Illinois pharmacies to dispense all such prescriptions immediately and without question.
\'Humiliated and traumatised\'
"More and more pharmacists do not want to hand over the birth control package and feel that it is within their rights to lecture women about their morals," said Judy Waxman of the National Women\'s Law Centre in Washington DC.
At a Brooks pharmacy in Laconia, New Hampshire, Suzanne Richards, a 21-year-old single mother with a 3-year-old son, was denied the morning after pill because of the pharmacist\'s religious convictions.
He told Richards he would not fill her prescription because "it would end the fertilisation process of the egg in the embryo" and, based upon his religious beliefs, it was wrong.
It was Saturday night in this rural town - all other pharmacies were closed, leaving Richards without an option.
Richards says she felt "humiliated and traumatised", and was too frightened to approach another pharmacist the next day, allowing the 72-hour limit for taking the pill to pass.
\'A chemical abortion\'
While it turns out that Richards was not pregnant, Waxman considers this a breach of professional responsibility.
"The sad thing is that a very small and very loud minority is trying to thwart women from getting their basic health care needs," she said.
Pharmacist Pitt Philips from North Carolina defends the decision of pharmacists to refuse to dispense the morning-after pill.
"While they have the right to obtain the prescription, as an individual I always have my own rights not to fill it."
Supporters of pharmacists\' rights, like Steven Aden of the Christian Legal Centre for Law and Religious freedom, believe that "in no case should a health care worker do something that violates their conscience".
Phillips said: "In essence, I would be causing a chemical abortion, and as a Christian, I am impelled not to do anything that destroys life."
The debate, between the women\'s right to birth control and the pharmacist\'s right to choose which prescriptions to fill, will only intensify further if the Food and Drug Administration approves the sale of the morning-after pill without a prescription.
If this contentious decision is approved, it is likely to make pharmacists the primary dispenser, intensifying the dispute further.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4425603.stm