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General Discussions => Spunk => Topic started by: mcajam on March 22, 2005, 02:13:47 am
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I actually had to argue the social contsruction model of schizophrenia for a term paper. During the time this was posted, I was simply testing out the waters. I am being ser. :)
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That\'s all well and good but try and tell a person who is cowering in the corner that the hallucination they are seeing that happens to want to eat them is a social construction. There is a difference in behavioral/personality disorders and actual organic disorders. Schizophrenia falls into both catagories in some of it\'s severest forms.
I believe you mean well but i suggest doing some actual work w/ patients diagnosed as schizophrenia and other such disorders before making a statement such as you have.
Exactly. I see what you mean Buquebus in that psychology and psychiatry are flawed and inexact sciences. However, there is a big difference between someone who is eccentric and therefore looked at funny by society and someone who is schizophrenic. Like I mentioned earlier, my uncle was schizophrenic, and I can tell you that is was more than a "social construction." He went through a lot of his life terrified. Had no firm grasp on reality, had no real ability to communicate with others, and was constantly scared that various people were plotting against him or out to get him. This includes family members who loved and cared about him. So you can go ahead and say that he was just \'harmlessly different\' or something, but I\'d have to disagree. Your post makes it apparent that you don\'t really understand how dramatic schizophrenia can be.
Also, I do not think it is a bad thing that the # of classifications in the DSM has risen. Psychology in its modern conception is a very young science. Progress should cause more classifications- it shows that doctors are working harder to see differences in peoples\' symptoms instead of just throwing them all into one of a few overgeneralized catergories. And definitions of disorders SHOULD change as we come to better understand them. Would you rather everything stay static? If definitions of mental/emotional disorders didn\'t change throughout time we would still be drilling holes in peoples\' heads to "let the demons out."
By the way, if you use quote someone you should reference your source- it makes it easier for us to follow up on your post. I would like to see the context of the sentence you quoted.
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And cat scratch fever and smoke on the water are the same **** song.
I see you\'ve read the helping phriendly book ;)
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I believe schizophrenia is a social construction. It has been developped over centuries as a way of keeping order. People who choose to act "absurdly" or "mad" are regarded as being deviant. This deviance if seen as a threat, will lead to a referral to a psychiatrist(s), by a family member, co-worker, police officer, social worker, etc. The psychiatrist(s) will then base thier diagnosis on a number of "tests" and "examinations". The issue of validity and reliability in diagnosis has haunted psychiatry since its conception. Not only has the definition of "schizophrenia" drastically changed numerous times since the institutionalization of madness, but replication in concordance rates among psychiatrists is rare in diagnosis. Much of psychiatric diagnosis has become extremely reliant on the Diagnosis and Statistical Manual. Since the 1st manual appeared in 1952 the # of classifications grew from 106 to 292 in 1987. I could go on about the use of psychotropic drugs, and thier masking effect of so-called symptoms, as well as other convincing points of interest. Unfortunately it is this world that\'s gone crazy, and to often people look to "solve existential and identity problems through the construction of atypical beliefs, unusual imaginings, and nonconforming speech and gestural behavior". Joan of Arc heard voices, and no one thought she was nuts.
That\'s all well and good but try and tell a person who is cowering in the corner that the hallucination they are seeing that happens to want to eat them is a social construction. There is a difference in behavioral/personality disorders and actual organic disorders. Schizophrenia falls into both catagories in some of it\'s severest forms.
I believe you mean well but i suggest doing some actual work w/ patients diagnosed as schizophrenia and other such disorders before making a statement such as you have.
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I believe schizophrenia is a social construction. It has been developped over centuries as a way of keeping order. People who choose to act "absurdly" or "mad" are regarded as being deviant. This deviance if seen as a threat, will lead to a referral to a psychiatrist(s), by a family member, co-worker, police officer, social worker, etc. The psychiatrist(s) will then base thier diagnosis on a number of "tests" and "examinations". The issue of validity and reliability in diagnosis has haunted psychiatry since its conception. Not only has the definition of "schizophrenia" drastically changed numerous times since the institutionalization of madness, but replication in concordance rates among psychiatrists is rare in diagnosis. Much of psychiatric diagnosis has become extremely reliant on the Diagnosis and Statistical Manual. Since the 1st manual appeared in 1952 the # of classifications grew from 106 to 292 in 1987. I could go on about the use of psychotropic drugs, and thier masking effect of so-called symptoms, as well as other convincing points of interest. Unfortunately it is this world that\'s gone crazy, and to often people look to "solve existential and identity problems through the construction of atypical beliefs, unusual imaginings, and nonconforming speech and gestural behavior". Joan of Arc heard voices, and no one thought she was nuts.
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MMMMmmmm Drug Induced Psychosis :drool:
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Yeah my uncle was paranoid-schizophrenic... poor guy, I don\'t think he ever slept. It got to the point where he really couldn\'t communicate with others at all. He took everything as a threat.
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And scary. Looks like by the end he was scared to death of little Fluffy.
Maybe he was suffering from cat scratch fever. :duck:
He may well have been Joc. Schizophrenia causes such a dissasociation from reality that a cuddly little kitty can be interpeted as a threat. It is really something else to engage a person afflicted w/ Any Schizo disorder in cognitive therapy, be it writing or drawing for the simple fact that what they percieve and what a "normal" person percieves are so different it is enlightening to say the least.
As for why they seem psychedelic, well that is simple. Psychosis. It can cause disturbences w/ the senses and when a person paints/draws/writes they can only put what they see.
FYI: Remember EVERYTIME A PERSON INGESTS A PSYCHEDELIC THE SAME THING HAPPENS. The person enters A DRUG - INDUCED PSYCHOSIS.
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rotfl
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And scary. Looks like by the end he was scared to death of little Fluffy.
Maybe he was suffering from cat scratch fever. :duck:
And Van Goh\'s later paintings of his backyard stream in Giverny look like they have smoke on the water. And cat scratch fever and smoke on the water are the same **** song.
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And scary. Looks like by the end he was scared to death of little Fluffy.
Maybe he was suffering from cat scratch fever. :duck:
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suprisingly cool pictures though, its strange how he could go from cozy paintings of cats to,almost psychdelic depictions of them.. i thought they were cool...
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Yeah, you can most definitely sell it.
Museum robberies are not uncommon for that very reason.
Also, Aruny, I believe we were talking about the PROGRESSION of a mental disease and how it shows up in the changes in one\'s art throughout time. Don\'t get off subject now, artsy smartsy. ;)
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you most certainly can sell it. the black market for stolen art is huge.
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Munch has been studied a lot as well because of his obvious depression/anxiety....
"[An] anxiety haunts the work of Edvard Munch, [that] is expressed with a formal inventiveness that impinges upon the emotions before we are even aware of the subject; the deeper regions of the psyche are accessible only through the potent agency of rhythm and color.
off topic..why does someone steal a famous painitng like \'the scream\', i mean what the hell is that person gonna do with it besides keep it for their own selfish pleasure..makes no sense. you cant sell it, yet its been stolen a few times...
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Look at Vincent van Gogh paintings for another example of what mental illness does to one\'s perception....
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Creepy paintings showing how ones peception becomes distorted from schizophrenia
normal= http://www.lilitu.com/catland/gallery.shtml (http://www.lilitu.com/catland/gallery.shtml)
Schizophrenic= http://www.schizophrenia.org/artist.html (http://www.schizophrenia.org/artist.html)
Finally= http://alpha.furman.edu/~einstein/general/disorderdemo/279.jpg (http://alpha.furman.edu/~einstein/general/disorderdemo/279.jpg)