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General Discussions => Tribal Funk Affliction => Topic started by: Drew_Kingsley on November 10, 2004, 02:50:40 pm
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I think a stronger case can be made for the Echoes/2001 sync being intentional. From what I remember reading the band was approached by Kubrick about doing part of the score but they decided to decline the offer. Then after seeing the film in the theater they regretted the decision and challenged themselves to score the ending as personal consolation.
The track starts right at the title card for the last scene and times out perfectly to end with the beginning of the credits. Some of the transitions are dead on but some of the other stuff does not work out as well. I have watched it a couple of times and I am still undecided. There are a lot of people who know a lot more about this than I do and they have the websites to prove it.
http://www.eeggs.com/items/30914.html
http://www.synchronicityarkive.com/display.php?view=2
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If it is a case of synchronicity it was done by someone other than Pink Floyd. The question still begs who did it not that it is there. IMO
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I just checked out the first playthrough of Dark Side. I am completely convinced that it is not a coincidence...
However, as my philosophy professor mentioned today, "If an ape reads a book, it\'s going to see an ape looking back out".
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The definitive list is pretty helpful for the playback after the first runthrough for sure.
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damn, this has to be the fastest growing thread ever here!
drew, hopefully FU has this on dvd, already synched up, with 2-3 playthroughs. otherwise, things might slip off, and won\'t be as precise. i\'ve got the dvd, and it really is amazing.
you guys should all check out The Definitive List (http://members.cox.net/stegokitty/dsotr_pages/definitive_list.htm), for a list of all the \'coincidences\' on first, second, AND third playthrough! silly.
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For great examples of synchronicity put in any improv rock band as the soundtrack for a sking or surfing DVD. You will find so many pieces that sync up its ridiculous. Step Into Liquid to The Breakfast 2/27/04 is a favorite of mine. Many jams to go with the dvd.
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it\'s been a while since i\'ve done it, but these stick out in my mind: the munchkins march around the yellow brick road to the bass line in Money.
and toward the beginning, (don\'t recall what song it is) there is a lyric saying "...which is which" and at that exact moment, the old woman on the bicycle turns into the wicked witch riding on a broomstick.
-drew.
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Originally posted by alexanderzurflu
I believe that it could have been a mere coincidence. Some of the most groundbreaking inventions, recipes and pharmaceutical drugs have materialized when the experiment went wrong. Sometimes accident is the catalyst for innovation rather than creativity.
April 16th 1943 springs to mind
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Originally posted by leith
From a geocities site:
To cause the album to match the film, you must start the CD of Dark Side of the Moon at exactly the right moment while The Wizard of Oz plays on your VCR. It does not work with a vinyl copy of the album because you have to stop to flip the album over, and the timing is thrown off. The CD is, in fact, a bit different from the vinyl LP. The fade-out of "The Great Gig In the Sky" has been shortened by several seconds, and now segues directly into the beginning of "Money." v As one fan rhetorically wondered, if Waters did intend the album to be played to the film, what VCR did Waters expect people to play the film on back in 1973? And where was someone to get a compact disk when CDs would not be invented for ten years?
(Drew how can you argue this paragraph is hearsay?)
The rumor also overlooks one seemingly obvious point: Roger Waters did not have control over the lengths of the songs. The songs for The Dark Side of the Moon were developed during tours in 1972. The tempos were very different during those tours. In particular, "Time" was played much slower. "On the Run" was a guitar jam, bearing no resemblance to what appeared on the album. (In fact, David Gilmour has stated that "On the Run" was written at the very last minute, improvised in the studio.) These early performances of Dark Side do not match the film.
(This one also, these are facts well known to any Floydphile.)
"Breathe in the Air" was largely written by David Gilmour. Gilmour is also primarily responsible for many instrumental passages in "Time", "Money", "Any Colour You Like" and other songs. If Waters secretly timed the album to the film, how did he convince Gilmour to match his solos to the film? And how did he convince Gilmour and Wright to meticulously time their free-form jamming in "Any Colour You Like"?
( Can you answer this?)
The song "Great Gig in the Sky"-supposedly written to match the tornado scene perfectly-was written by Rick Wright, without help from others. How could Waters convince Wright to time the song to the scene, without Wright knowing? Waters had no hand in authorship of the song.
(Wright has said he wrote this w/o help.)
Scoring a soundtrack to match a film is an involving process. It involves timing a click track to the film, and meticulously charting the precise moment when events occur within the length of the click track. But the fact is, Dark Side was developed on the road, with much of the material coming out of unstructured jams. The way the album was written rules out definitively any possibility that the album was intentionally written to match the film.
(This is again common knowledge)
I used this particular page as it is very concise. I can list a few more which debunk this even more but i will need to find which folder I saved them in.
I do agree though Drew it would be nice to know who discovered the cd version matched in so many places to the the tape version of the film. Some techie kid in film school or some such is my guess.
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Originally posted by leith
From a geocities site:
That may be your first clue that this isn\'t the gospel truth.
This passage still doesn\'t answer the question, "Who found this \'coincidence?" I personally find it more likely that it was intentional and the band anonymously leaked it than that some random cat trippin\' on something decided to watch The Wizard of Oz with Dark Side of Moon playing.
Originally posted by leith
The rumor also overlooks one seemingly obvious point: Roger Waters did not have control over the lengths of the songs. The songs for The Dark Side of the Moon were developed during tours in 1972. The tempos were very different during those tours. In particular, "Time" was played much slower. "On the Run" was a guitar jam, bearing no resemblance to what appeared on the album. (In fact, David Gilmour has stated that "On the Run" was written at the very last minute, improvised in the studio.) These early performances of Dark Side do not match the film.
Let\'s see... the only source for any of these statements is the paraphrased statement by Gilmour that "On the Run" was written at the very last minute, improvised in the studio. Why? Is it completely out of the realm of possibilities that it was written to synch up with The Wizard of Oz?
All of the information in this passage is either uncited or cited to somebody who would be "in on" the Wizard of Oz thing. I\'m not saying it\'s definitely not a coincidence, but I\'m reading the same thing that you are, and it doesn\'t read like proof to me.
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I believe that it could have been a mere coincidence. Some of the most groundbreaking inventions, recipes and pharmaceutical drugs have materialized when the experiment went wrong. Sometimes accident is the catalyst for innovation rather than creativity.
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Thanx. My work life consists of hanging out w/ stagehands and other recreational drug users that have music as a large part of their lives. This has been a subject of debate for a real long time and i am astounded @ the amt of people that still do not believe it is mere coincidence, when it really is just one of those things that make ya go hmmmmm.
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It was a haunting experience when I happened to arrive at an apartment showing the film and album a number of years ago. I totally forgot about it for the last 8 years.
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Good research Leith, though the reality is that the uniformity between the two will be forever mystified.
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From a geocities site:
To cause the album to match the film, you must start the CD of Dark Side of the Moon at exactly the right moment while The Wizard of Oz plays on your VCR. It does not work with a vinyl copy of the album because you have to stop to flip the album over, and the timing is thrown off. The CD is, in fact, a bit different from the vinyl LP. The fade-out of "The Great Gig In the Sky" has been shortened by several seconds, and now segues directly into the beginning of "Money." v As one fan rhetorically wondered, if Waters did intend the album to be played to the film, what VCR did Waters expect people to play the film on back in 1973? And where was someone to get a compact disk when CDs would not be invented for ten years?
The rumor also overlooks one seemingly obvious point: Roger Waters did not have control over the lengths of the songs. The songs for The Dark Side of the Moon were developed during tours in 1972. The tempos were very different during those tours. In particular, "Time" was played much slower. "On the Run" was a guitar jam, bearing no resemblance to what appeared on the album. (In fact, David Gilmour has stated that "On the Run" was written at the very last minute, improvised in the studio.) These early performances of Dark Side do not match the film.
"Breathe in the Air" was largely written by David Gilmour. Gilmour is also primarily responsible for many instrumental passages in "Time", "Money", "Any Colour You Like" and other songs. If Waters secretly timed the album to the film, how did he convince Gilmour to match his solos to the film? And how did he convince Gilmour and Wright to meticulously time their free-form jamming in "Any Colour You Like"?
The song "Great Gig in the Sky"-supposedly written to match the tornado scene perfectly-was written by Rick Wright, without help from others. How could Waters convince Wright to time the song to the scene, without Wright knowing? Waters had no hand in authorship of the song.
Scoring a soundtrack to match a film is an involving process. It involves timing a click track to the film, and meticulously charting the precise moment when events occur within the length of the click track. But the fact is, Dark Side was developed on the road, with much of the material coming out of unstructured jams. The way the album was written rules out definitively any possibility that the album was intentionally written to match the film.
Although it\'s clear that it could not have been intentional, the coincidences are enjoyable. And all the talk about Dark Side and Oz has led to some interest in another old rumor: the album Meddle matches the film 2001: A Space Odyssey. Enjoy the coincidences, but don\'t be fooled by the ill-informed gossip.
These are most of the reasons I believe the coincidence of it.
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Originally posted by freddiewaht
but roger waters is the type of dude who dosent give a **** about stupid **** like taking credit for it
Dude Roger is the one that sued the others to keep the name. As he wanted the CREDIT for creation of said name and all that went with it. He\'s the one that tried to devalue Nick and David\'s contributions to most of Floyd\'s work. Roger is the one who has tried to portray himself as the one that is contrite and wants the band back as friends so he can get the CREDIT for getting Floyd back together. I could go on but .....
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but roger waters is the type of dude who dosent give a **** about stupid **** like taking credit for it
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I understand your point totally and if I and quite a few friends have not been able to find ANY evidence in the past 16 yrs. to prove that it was done intentionally leads me to believe in the coincidence of it. Come on now someone would have taken credit for it by now. Humans are humans.
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leith,how many times does something have to happen to make it not a coincidence??
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Coincidence: A sequence of events that although accidental seems to have been planned or arranged.
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i honestly dont know why roger waters would do this but it seems as if he did!
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Originally posted by freddiewaht
but have you seen dark side of the moon along with wizard of oz?i know what its about,but have you seen them together?
Dude i was trippin\' on this back in \'88
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Originally posted by freddiewaht
theres just way too many similiarities for it to be anything else but premeditated...as doc put it,when she opens the door after great gig,and it goes into money ,its absolutely perfect timing that when the door opens,and it changes to color perfectly with the chichicg of money,...
Point of fact: The Floyd holed up in studio making this album taking breaks for basically football matches and a bit of Monty Python. They had neither the time or the inclination for such a silly experiment. When Roger Waters THE lead writer of Pink Floyd @ the time says it is rubbish believe it. Coincidence does happen thats why the word was invented.
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but have you seen dark side of the moon along with wizard of oz?i know what its about,but have you seen them together?
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Originally posted by freddiewaht
for some reason i knew this was gonna happen.ill pull myself out of this debate for the sake of the forum..your welcome peck!
Ahh Freddie It\'s not like I thought you were ser. I was just sayin\' ,
as the theme of Floyd\'s 1st concept album is what drives man crazy in the life they led . Many songs written by Roger in particular had something to do w/ either his **** up childhood or SYD that\'s fact. It just happens that the main theme of DSOTM is "keeping it together" in otherwise insane circumstances.
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theres just way too many similiarities for it to be anything else but premeditated...as doc put it,when she opens the door after great gig,and it goes into money ,its absolutely perfect timing that when the door opens,and it changes to color perfectly with the chichicg of money,...
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Originally posted by DocEllis70
I love the part where she walks into the land of OZ ..and Money kicks in as she opens the door. we used to look for reasons to get real f\'d up in high school and started doin fun things like listening to Dark Side with Alice in Wonderland or Fantasia...there would be one little \'hook up\' and we would be all stoned and like...woah, man..
Alice in Wonderland synchs up with The Wall, apparently, and the last 20 minutes of 2001: A Space Odyssey synch up with Echoes.
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for some reason i knew this was gonna happen.ill pull myself out of this debate for the sake of the forum..your welcome peck!
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It IS total rubbish that Floyd did it on purpose as Roger says. Think of the technology of the day and you will realize it was nigh impossible for "just anyone" to do on purpose. Sometimes the universe does things like this to slap logical thinkers upside the head. You know the people that can not accept there maybe more to "reality" than what is SEEN/HEARD. Oh and Dark Side was Obviously written for SYD. Listen to it again if u think not.
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I love the part where she walks into the land of OZ ..and Money kicks in as she opens the door. we used to look for reasons to get real f\'d up in high school and started doin fun things like listening to Dark Side with Alice in Wonderland or Fantasia...there would be one little \'hook up\' and we would be all stoned and like...woah, man..
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supposedly some dude in te 70s just tried it..
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It has to be intentional, otherwise nobody would ever have noticed.
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yea,just way too many instances for it to be a mistake..when waters was asked about it he said somethign along the lines of"absolute rubbish"..
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Had to be intentional from what I\'ve seen.
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its honestly to ogood to be just coincidence.i could see if 1 or 2 thigns happen,but its the whole albums worth of similiarities...roget waters wrote dark side of the moon to go hand in hand with the wizard of oz.
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If you have not done it b4 It is quite intriguing. This is something that has been around for YEARS and it has been debated to the nth degree as to if it is just coincidence. It is a crazy coincidence but one nonetheless. What has nvr been discovered is WHO the hell found it in the 1st place?
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I agree. Just from putting the record (yes record!) and movie on at the same time and close to being in sync, it is quite incredibe!
Actually Adrian was the one who showed me it. Pretty wild.
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rumor has it that as soon as its over,you hurry and hit the play button again,and it runs through twice..that,ive never done yet!
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you probably will see more correlations if you are NOT drunk. There are quite a few, pretty eerie.
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mmmmmm co-ed\'s :drool:
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It\'s in the auditorium connected to my dorm this Friday at 7:00pm, completely free for students and non-students.
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its unbelievable.youll think it was premeditated honestly...3rd roar of the mgm lion,hit the play button on dsotm..sit back and relax..lemme know what you think too...theres soo many similiarities its ridiculous
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never done it...
when is it?
can non students attend?
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Fairfield U is holding a screening of "Dark Side of the Rainbow"; Pink Floyd\'s Dark Side of the Moon looped over The Wizard of Oz.
Has anybody ever done this before? Is it worth my time? How drunk do I have to be to notice the correlations?