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Breakfast Babble => The Grand Scheme Of Things => Topic started by: Wolfman on June 07, 2004, 09:01:22 pm
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I can understand why there aren\'t so many at a small show like PB, but medium-sized jambands like moe., the Disco Biscuits, and Medeski Martin and Wood definitely bring in plenty of ladies.
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Originally posted by jocelyn
So now I\'m out of the club. eh, probably better off anyhow, y\'all are bad influences. Yikes, this club is going to have to be the Sausage Club... galenas and giavanna, good luck girls...
That is the one thing this band does not have. Enough female fans. As a matter of fact outside SCI and the bigger bands(TD, Phish,WSP) not alot of women getting their boogie on. Why is this? I have seen this debated in many circles w/ alot of women saying they do attend Jam shows. ya never see \'em though.
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Originally posted by leith
Why Joc ? Is it because the word Doughboy is masculine?
Heh no I\'m not jumping on the Ani bandwagon just yet... :)
I just think it\'s kind of boring. Doesn\'t do much for me.
So now I\'m out of the club. eh, probably better off anyhow, y\'all are bad influences. Yikes, this club is going to have to be the Sausage Club... galenas and giavanna, good luck girls...
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at first i never dug it too much. always loved vera st, but after porters ep2>doughboy>ep2 and the 2nd night cafe 9 opener, I am SO sold ...
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Originally posted by jocelyn
Alright, I\'ve been meaning to say this for a while but have been lacking the bravery...
I don\'t really like Doughboy. At all.
Oh **** what have I done!?
What?!?! That\'s it! You\'re out of the club!
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Originally posted by jocelyn
Alright, I\'ve been meaning to say this for a while but have been lacking the bravery...
I don\'t really like Doughboy. At all.
Oh **** what have I done!?
Why Joc ? Is it because the word Doughboy is masculine?
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Originally posted by weekapaug19
They cover that song? That\'s awesome, I love that tune. Would love to see that tonight
If wah is on it, I am already writing it in my setlist....
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Originally posted by freddiewaht
i dont think there will be another doughboy opener at porters.but if it happens,im sure nobody will run out the doors pissed!
Alright, I\'ve been meaning to say this for a while but have been lacking the bravery...
I don\'t really like Doughboy. At all.
Oh **** what have I done!?
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Originally posted by Stephengencs
Wah, the Band on the Run call on the other thread would be a great opener tonight........
They cover that song? That\'s awesome, I love that tune. Would love to see that tonight
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Wah, the Band on the Run call on the other thread would be a great opener tonight........
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i dont think there will be another doughboy opener at porters.but if it happens,im sure nobody will run out the doors pissed!
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Originally posted by freddiewaht
i think it can be helpful to the band to start with jam to sorta warmup.i do love me a doughboy opener though!!
called an hour before showtime......HAHAHA...
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Phil and Friends use the Jam>x formula so no one misses a "song". By the time the audience is mostly there the "song" begins. The Dead have adopted this method also. Now if The Breakfast had the problem of waiting for a venue to fill I guess this would not be bandied about. As for my 2 cents I enjoy a band starting off w/ a jam. I like to see where they are headed. Opening Jams really let one hear where musicians are @ Headspace wise if you know what to listen for. I find here on the West coast that most people prefer the Jam>x rather than a 3-5 min. song it lends more to the "what the **** is gonna happen now?" factor.
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The guys are defnitely conscious of the experience level of the audience and often open the set accordingly. Formula in new cities, anything goes in New England and other strong cities.
I\'m still not sure what is the best way generalize what people want, especially when you\'ve got a room full of fans who you don\'t know. Kroop always said, along with some posts in this thread, that you gotta play simple versions of catchy songs at the beginning of a set to draw people into it. While I\'m certain that this will work for some people, I\'m not sure that it will turn on more people than a 2-5 minute jam into WUIAC or Sundance or Escher\'s etc. would. When I think about who, at the end of the day, is really going to flip out over this band and go to lots of shows, I think it\'s the people who are turned on more by jam > x. When I see a band for the first time I get much more involved by seeing them open with a creative jam into a nutty tune rather than 3 5-minute songs. The key is learning whether that puts me in the majority or minority. Variety is important as well.
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I think opening up with a random jam for the locals is the way to go. I definitely miss it!
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i think it can be helpful to the band to start with jam to sorta warmup.i do love me a doughboy opener though!!
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I think that the problem with "jam > X" to start a show is that the jam can be uninspired. I would rather a jam occur spontaneously rather than written into the setlist. Granted I\'m not sure if this happens often with The Breakfast.
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ahh ha ha ha... NO.
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Originally posted by jocelyn
It\'s not that they don\'t interest peopl, it\'s just that... if it\'s a crowd of newbies, sometimes you really do need to do something to get the crowd bumpin right from the start, know what I mean?
In that case the band should open with SCORE every night.....
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oops. just see your post saying...\'the one that went into WUIAC\'.
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Originally posted by Stephengencs
Far out jams dont interest people?
I do not buy that.....
It\'s not that they don\'t interest peopl, it\'s just that... if it\'s a crowd of newbies, sometimes you really do need to do something to get the crowd bumpin right from the start, know what I mean? Once you\'ve soarked some enthusiasm then you can take it out a bit... The "far out" jams are great, but, not always the best way to draw people in who are unfamiliar with the band. Mainly because, a lot of people have really terrible taste in music....
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Originally posted by DocEllis70
hey, helluvahat, was that the jam that went into Wake up In a coma?? if so i think it has been dubbed the \'out of the gates\' jam by Fred because thats the way you should come out and get **** goin.
yep, you got it! Couldn\'t see starting many shows like that, but the ones that do....look out!!
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Far out jams dont interest people?
I do not buy that.....
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It makes sense that when in a new area they probably play "the formula" because it would be easier for new people to get into. Something they recognize as opposed to a far out jam. Once you have the people\'s interest then you can pull out all the tricks.
Regulars can be toyed with from the start.
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hey, helluvahat, was that the jam that went into Wake up In a coma?? if so i think it has been dubbed the \'out of the gates\' jam by Fred because thats the way you should come out and get **** goin. The guy introduces the band and BAM!! I think the spacey jams are great but should be used sparingly.
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Originally posted by Stephengencs
The Jam> was a PB staple for a while, and I loved it. But I would go along with Marcial and say "why does it have to be all or nothing".
I am hoping that a this point in the Breakfast\'s existance, they are compiling their setlists based on how they feel that particular night versus sticking to some kind of "formula"....
Yeah formulas get stale. I like something diff. for Breakfast every once in awhile ya know?
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The Jam> was a PB staple for a while, and I loved it. But I would go along with Marcial and say "why does it have to be all or nothing".
I am hoping that a this point in the Breakfast\'s existance, they are compiling their setlists based on how they feel that particular night versus sticking to some kind of "formula"....
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When they played the Mercury Lounge last time, Adrian started jamming along with the track that the DJ was playing before their set. Tim picked up on it and started playing along. For a moment it looked like they were going transition into their set but then Tim seemed to lose interest and went back to fiddling with his rig.
Definitely best to mix it up. That way you get a feel for the mood that the band is in that night.
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They played an awesome jam 5/24/02 at the Lion\'s Den into Wake Up in a Coma....Timmy was going nuts! The jam was only like 2 minutes or so, but def set the tone for the rest of the set. Wouldn\'t want to hear a 10 minute opening jam all the time, but every once in a while would be cool.....
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I liked it when they used to open with a jam >something, but it did get old having it almost every show... sometimes you just want them to get up there & pull out a Drunk Monk or similar to get things started, but instead would get a 10min, spacey, jam.
Why does it have to be all or nothing though? I would like to see it come back every now & then. I would say that it is better than "The Formula"... unless it\'s a song that I\'m not too crazy about (a la Beef Barley or GBFBITS)... then I like "The Formula" because I don\'t have to hear a 20min version of that song half way through 2nd set.
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back in the day, they were opening every set with "jam".. it got old. great at some points, but it just got to be too tired and unoriginal. it\'s been a while though.. i think there\'s a happy medium to be found somwhere, and i\'d like to see them back every once in a while..
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Man, they gotta bring back opening sets with jams into a song. Was just listening to 7/19/2 and the 10 minute jam into LDZ is phenomenal. These jams would always rip and set the tone for the set. Listen to 5/5/1 jam > Sundance, it\'s awesome. Totally gets me into the show more than radio edits of Dig and Fiery Ball. (aka "The Formula")
What would you rather hear to open a set, a 10 minute jam into a song, or quick versions of 2 or 3 tunes?