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General Discussions => Spunk => Topic started by: bdfreetuna on October 26, 2009, 10:55:28 am
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Faring thee well now.
Let your life proceed by its own design.
Nothing to tell now.
Let the words be yours, I\'m done with mine.
:shrug:
Inside your feeble brain there\'s probably a ****
If you don\'t shut your mouth you\'re gonna feel the floor
:banahoy:
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Faring thee well now.
Let your life proceed by its own design.
Nothing to tell now.
Let the words be yours, I\'m done with mine.
:shrug:
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The fate of the world will have to wait for another night or another generation to take up the call...
daddy loves you, but not enough to care if you have clean drinking water when you grow up!
now that, my friends, is true parental love!!! you\'re an inspiration, yoda!!
Hey, I change the filter on my tap every 2 months...
I\'m not saying that I don\'t do my part to keep things clean for future generations... I\'ve been fighting with my town because I feel that the levels in our water are disgusting... But I\'m not going to go to the extreme and drop everything I\'m doing to become an environmentalist for the rest of the globe... I have enough trouble making sure that where I live now and where I might live is viable for my kids; it will be up to them to do what they need to do for their kids...
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The fate of the world will have to wait for another night or another generation to take up the call...
daddy loves you, but not enough to care if you have clean drinking water when you grow up!
now that, my friends, is true parental love!!! you\'re an inspiration, yoda!!
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I agree with you that we are in a time of war and that the days of peace are going to be limited in the future...
See the thing is, you did start this all by spouting hysteria of martial law over flu vaccines... The truth of the matter is that if flu vaccines are the worst thing that we have to worry about, then we\'re not doing that bad... I personally think that everyone should have a choice, but if it becomes gov\'t mandated, then so be it, it\'s not like they\'re saying that you must be injected with something that will guarantee you leprosy...
Either way, you "have not" supported your stance with facts, only suppositions that you speak the truth because history will not repeat itself moving foward... I hate to tell you this, but history has been repeating itself in different variations since the dawn of man... There are always lessons to be learned from the past...
I applaud you for thinking about the global problems around the world, but I\'m too busy trying to figure out why things are working right in my little sector of the world to worry about the rest of the worlds problems... Selfish, yes, but also realistic...
As long as I can put a roof over my family\'s head and provide a living and safety for them, I\'m happy... The fate of the world will have to wait for another night or another generation to take up the call...
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Guess what. We are in a "time of war". There is no such thing as a time of peace anymore.
I never tried to create an argument to prove a precedent for martial law. You guys picked up on that and ran with it. Prove your own arguments to yourself, why should I?
Excuses, excuses... more like I have better things to do than bang my head against a wall.
If you know you already know or will know. If you care you already care or will care.
You are only distracting yourselves with the assumption that the future will resemble the past.
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excses excuses excuses... its because you can\'t show any example of the ever happening. as yoda posted, the only time nationwide martial law was enacted, it was subsequently declared unconstitutional - and that was in a time of war. do you really think that sets a good enough precedent for martial law to enforce flu shots? of course not. you won\'t argue it or defend it, because it is an indefensible position based solely on irrational fear. sorry man, but its true.
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Sounds like you should hook up with Joe and together you guys can find the right guru... Either that or you can just say no when the people at Phish shows are handing out their free religious books...
Yeah, maybe. Joe always striked me as one of the more interesting and intelligent members of the forum. I\'m sure it would be nice to meet him some time... and find the right guru.
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Sounds like you should hook up with Joe and together you guys can find the right guru... Either that or you can just say no when the people at Phish shows are handing out their free religious books...
:lol: I love those guys- FREE BOOKS! (...with a $20 donation)
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Sounds like you should hook up with Joe and together you guys can find the right guru... Either that or you can just say no when the people at Phish shows are handing out their free religious books...
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i love not having to register for a party!
to tuna~ please show me the last time when the ENTIRE COUNTRY was placed under martial law and forced to do any one specific thing.
The burden is not on me to continue this as if it were intended to be an argument to begin with.
I\'m going back to studying Advaita Vedanta, Tao Te Ching, Vedic Brahmanism, and Navajo creationism stories. Bye.
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Although I don\'t think it\'s going to come to Martial Law, here\'s a little history on the topic in the US... The only time that I can find the whole country being under Martial Law was during the Civil War, but it was overturned by the Supreme Court...
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_mlaw.html
Constitutional Topic: Martial Law
The Constitutional Topics pages at the USConstitution.net site are presented to delve deeper into topics than can be provided on the Glossary Page or in the FAQ pages. This Topic Page concerns Martial Law. Martial law is not explicitly mentioned in the Constitution, but the suspension of habeas corpus is mentioned in Article 1, Section 9, and the activation of the militia in time of rebellion or invasion is mentioned in Article 1, Section 8. The Topic Page for Military Justice may also be of interest.
The sources for this topic are, primarily, The Living U.S. Constitution by Saul Padover and Jacob Landynski (Meridian, 1995); Constitutional Law: Cases and Commentary by Daniel Hall (Lawyer\'s Cooperative Publishing, 1997); and ex parte Milligan, 71 US 2.
Note: please note the spelling of "martial law." A common mistake is to spell it as "marshal law" or "marshall law." A "marshal" is a law enforcement officer of, for example, the U.S. Marshal Service. There is such a thing as a marshal, but no such thing as marshal law.
Introduction
ex parte Milligan
Examples of Martial Law
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In strict dictionary terms, martial law is the suspension of civil authority and the imposition of military authority. When we say a region or country is "under martial law," we mean to say that the military is in control of the area, that it acts as the police, as the courts, as the legislature. The degree of control might vary - a nation may have a civilian legislature but have the courts administered by the military. Or the legislature and courts may operate under civilian control with a military ruler. In each case, martial law is in effect, even if it is not called "martial law."
Martial law should not be confused with military justice. In the United States, for example, each branch of the military has its own judicial structures in place. Members of the service are under the control of military law, and in some cases civilians working for or with the military may be subject to military law. But this is the normal course of business in the military. Martial law is the exception to the rule. In the United States, the military courts were created by the Congress, and cases can be appealed out of the military system to the Supreme Court in many cases. In addition, a civilian court can petition the military for habeas corpus.
Article 1, Section 9 states, "The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it." Habeas corpus is a concept of law, in which a person may not be held by the government without a valid reason for being held. A writ of habeas corpus can be issued by a court upon a government agency (such as a police force or the military). Such a writ compels the agency to produce the individual to the court, and to convince the court that the person is being reasonably held. The suspension of habeas corpus allows an agency to hold a person without a charge. Suspension of habeas corpus is often equated with martial law.
Because of this connection of the two concepts, it is often argued that only Congress can declare martial law, because Congress alone is granted the power to suspend the writ. The President, however, is commander-in-chief of the military, and it has been argued that the President can take it upon himself to declare martial law. In these times, Congress may decide not to act, effectively accepting martial law by failing to stop it; Congress may agree to the declaration, putting the official stamp of approval on the declaration; or it can reject the President\'s imposition of martial law, which could set up a power struggle between the Congress and the Executive that only the Judiciary would be able to resolve.
In the United States, there is precedent for martial law. Several times in the course of our history, martial law of varying degrees has been declared. The most obvious and often-cited example was when President Lincoln declared martial law during the Civil War. This instance provides us with most of the rules for martial law that we would use today, should the need arise.
ex parte Milligan
On September 15, 1863, Lincoln imposed Congressionally-authorized martial law. The authorizing act allowed the President to suspend habeas corpus throughout the entire United States. Lincoln imposed the suspension on "prisoners of war, spies, or aiders and abettors of the enemy," as well as on other classes of people, such as draft dodgers. The President\'s proclamation was challenged in ex parte Milligan (71 US 2 [1866]). The Supreme Court ruled that Lincoln\'s imposition of martial law (by way of suspension of habeas corpus) was unconstitutional.
In arguments before the Court, the counsel for the United States spoke to the question of "what is martial law?" "Martial law," it was argued, "is the will of the commanding officer of an armed force, or of a geographical military department, expressed in time of war within the limits of his military jurisdiction, as necessity demands and prudence dictates, restrained or enlarged by the orders of his military chief, or supreme executive ruler." In other words, martial law is imposed by a local commander on the region he controls, on an as-needed basis. Further, it was argued, "The officer executing martial law is at the same time supreme legislator, supreme judge, and supreme executive. As necessity makes his will the law, he only can define and declare it; and whether or not it is infringed, and of the extent of the infraction, he alone can judge; and his sole order punishes or acquits the alleged offender."
In this case, Lambden Milligan, for whom the case is named, was arrested in Indiana as a Confederate sympathizer. Indiana, like the rest of the United States, was part of a military district set up to help conduct the war. Milligan was tried by military commission and sentenced to die by hanging. After his conviction, Milligan petitioned the Circuit Court for habeas corpus, arguing that his arrest, trial, and conviction were all unconstitutional. What the Supreme Court had to decide, it said, was "Had [the military commission] the legal power and authority to try and punish [Milligan]?"
Resoundingly, the Court said no. The Court stated what is almost painfully obvious: "Martial law ... destroys every guarantee of the Constitution." The Court reminded the reader that such actions were taken by the King of Great Britain, which caused, in part, the Revolution. "Civil liberty and this kind of martial law cannot endure together; the antagonism is irreconcilable; and, in the conflict, one or the other must perish."
Did this mean that martial law could never be implemented? No, the Court said. The President can declare martial law when circumstances warrant it: When the civil authority cannot operate, then martial law is not only constitutional, but would be necessary: "If, in foreign invasion or civil war, the courts are actually closed, and it is impossible to administer criminal justice according to law, then, on the theatre of active military operations, where war really prevails, there is a necessity to furnish a substitute for the civil authority, thus overthrown, to preserve the safety of the army and society; and as no power is left but the military, it is allowed to govern by martial rule until the laws can have their free course. As necessity creates the rule, so it limits its duration; for, if this government is continued after the courts are reinstated, it is a gross usurpation of power. Martial rule can never exist where the courts are open, and in the proper and unobstructed exercise of their jurisdiction. It is also confined to the locality of actual war."
Examples of Martial Law
Through out United States history are several examples of the imposition of martial law, aside from that during the Civil War.
During the war of 1812, General Andrew Jackson imposed martial law within his encampment at New Orleans, which he had recently liberated. Martial law was also imposed in a four mile radius around the camp. When word came of the end of the war, Jackson maintained martial law, contending that he had not gotten official word of the peace. A judge demanded habeas corpus for a man arrested for sedition. Rather than comply with the writ, Jackson had the judge arrested. After the civil authority was restored, the judge fined Jackson $1000, which he paid, and for which the Congress later reimbursed Jackson.
In 1892, at Coeur d\'Alene, Idaho, rebellious mine workers blew up a mill and shot at strike-breaking workers. The explosion leveled a four-story building and killed one person. Mine owners asked the governor to declare martial law, which he did. At the same time, a request was made for federal troops to back guardsmen. Over 600 people were arrested. The list was whittled down to two dozen ring leaders who were tried in civil court. While in prison, the mine workers formed a new union, the Western Federation of Miners.
In 1914, imposition of martial law climaxed the so-called Coal Field Wars in Colorado. Dating back decades, the conflicts came to a head in Ludlow in 1913. The Colorado National Guard was called in to quell the strikers. For a time, the peace was kept, but it is reported that the make-up of the Guard stationed at the mines began to shift from impartial normal troops to companies of loyal mine guards. Clashes increased and the proclamation of martial law was made by the governor. President Wilson sent in federal troops, eventually ending the violence.
In 1934, California Governor Frank Merriam placed the docks of San Francisco under martial law, citing "riots and tumult" resulting from a dock worker\'s strike. The Governor threatened to place the entire city under martial law. The National Guard was called in to open the docks, and a city-wide institution of martial law was averted when goods began to flow. The guardsmen were empowered to make arrests and to then try detainees or turn them over to the civil courts.
Martial law and San Francisco were no strangers - following the earthquake of 1906, the troops stationed in the Presidio were pressed into service. Guards were posted throughout the city, and all dynamite was confiscated. The dynamite was used to destroy buildings in the path of fires, to prevent the fires from spreading. Troops were ordered to shoot looters. Though there was never an official declaration of martial law, the event is often cited as such. However, at all times it appears the troops took their orders indirectly from the civil authority.
Though not a state at the time, Hawaii was placed under martial law in 1941, following the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. Many of the residents of Hawaii were, and are, of Asian descent, and the loyalty of these people was called into question. After the war, the federal judge for the islands condemned the conduct of martial law, saying, "Gov. Poindexter declared lawfully martial law but the Army went beyond the governor and set up that which was lawful only in conquered enemy territory namely, military government which is not bound by the Constitution. And they ... threw the Constitution into the discard and set up a military dictatorship."
On 8/26/2005, in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, New Orleans was placed under martial law after widespread flooding rendered civil authority ineffective. The state of Louisiana does not have an actual legal construct called "martial law," but instead something quite like it: a state of public health emergency. The state of emergency allowed the governor can suspend laws, order evacuations, and limit the sales of items such as alcohol and firearms. The governor\'s order limited the state of emergency, to end on 9/25/2005, "unless terminated sooner."
There have been many instances of the use of the military within the borders of the United States, such as during the Whiskey Rebellion and in the South during the civil rights crises, but these acts are not tantamount to a declaration of martial law. The distinction must be made as clear as that between martial law and military justice: deployment of troops does not necessarily mean that the civil courts cannot function, and that is one of the keys, as the Supreme Court noted, to martial law.
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i love not having to register for a party!
to tuna~ please show me the last time when the ENTIRE COUNTRY was placed under martial law and forced to do any one specific thing.
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Leith I thought the headies in California were supposed to be pretty good? ;)
And Yoda... myself or anyone in my family, honestly, would sacrifice their own lives for 1,000 other lives. I wouldn\'t even have to ask.
Edit again:: I\'m probably the least "right wing" person on this whole board, you complete moron! But once in a while reality gets in the way of what we liberals are "supposed" to believe.
Let\'s please clarify the differences between a libertarian, a right-winger, a republican, conservative, and a neo-conservative. My way of remembering: neo-conservatives pretend to be right-winger republicans, but actually tend to support lots of money going to war and protecting the federal reserve banks; actions which are NOT conservative or republican.
As for this topic, isn\'t it all very grand that these vaccines are made in foreign countries, esp. connected to the business liason of the Rockefellers? Who knew modern medicine and technological advancement made it sooo necessary to buy stockpiles of unknown contaminants, all for the sake of saving lives?
Libertarian is a word I fee very strongly about. I dedicate a lot of my free time and effort into the party. Join us at http://www.lp.org
for a general definition a libertarian is:
1. One who believes that the only legitimate purpose of a government is to protect the rights of its citizens.
2. Anyone who supports civil liberties to a greater-than-average degree.
3. Anyone who believes in minimal, decentralized government.
I consider myself to be a libertarian/constitutional hybrid, though I am registered otherwise. I used to think I was a democrat, but I actually agreed more with republicans (real ones, anyway, rather than CFR puppets)
ditto, registered independent
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Leith I thought the headies in California were supposed to be pretty good? ;)
And Yoda... myself or anyone in my family, honestly, would sacrifice their own lives for 1,000 other lives. I wouldn\'t even have to ask.
Edit again:: I\'m probably the least "right wing" person on this whole board, you complete moron! But once in a while reality gets in the way of what we liberals are "supposed" to believe.
Let\'s please clarify the differences between a libertarian, a right-winger, a republican, conservative, and a neo-conservative. My way of remembering: neo-conservatives pretend to be right-winger republicans, but actually tend to support lots of money going to war and protecting the federal reserve banks; actions which are NOT conservative or republican.
As for this topic, isn\'t it all very grand that these vaccines are made in foreign countries, esp. connected to the business liason of the Rockefellers? Who knew modern medicine and technological advancement made it sooo necessary to buy stockpiles of unknown contaminants, all for the sake of saving lives?
Libertarian is a word I fee very strongly about. I dedicate a lot of my free time and effort into the party. Join us at http://www.lp.org
for a general definition a libertarian is:
1. One who believes that the only legitimate purpose of a government is to protect the rights of its citizens.
2. Anyone who supports civil liberties to a greater-than-average degree.
3. Anyone who believes in minimal, decentralized government.
I consider myself to be a libertarian/constitutional hybrid, though I am registered otherwise. I used to think I was a democrat, but I actually agreed more with republicans (real ones, anyway, rather than CFR puppets)
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Leith I thought the headies in California were supposed to be pretty good? ;)
And Yoda... myself or anyone in my family, honestly, would sacrifice their own lives for 1,000 other lives. I wouldn\'t even have to ask.
Edit again:: I\'m probably the least "right wing" person on this whole board, you complete moron! But once in a while reality gets in the way of what we liberals are "supposed" to believe.
Let\'s please clarify the differences between a libertarian, a right-winger, a republican, conservative, and a neo-conservative. My way of remembering: neo-conservatives pretend to be right-winger republicans, but actually tend to support lots of money going to war and protecting the federal reserve banks; actions which are NOT conservative or republican.
As for this topic, isn\'t it all very grand that these vaccines are made in foreign countries, esp. connected to the business liason of the Rockefellers? Who knew modern medicine and technological advancement made it sooo necessary to buy stockpiles of unknown contaminants, all for the sake of saving lives?
Libertarian is a word I fee very strongly about. I dedicate a lot of my free time and effort into the party. Join us at http://www.lp.org
for a general definition a libertarian is:
1. One who believes that the only legitimate purpose of a government is to protect the rights of its citizens.
2. Anyone who supports civil liberties to a greater-than-average degree.
3. Anyone who believes in minimal, decentralized government.
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I think the only reason that the FLU has become such a huge crisis is because of all the foreign **** they put into those shots.
If you think about it, the human body is fully able to heal itself without all of these crazy medicines.
Instead, people take a "flu shot" and think that they\'re cured. But, the flu mutates each year to fight against the meds, and the docs need to keep creating new medicines to combat the "stronger" flu types.
This, in turn, reduces our own body\'s capabilities to defend itself naturally.
<<<---- So, in short: I\'ve never taken a flu shot, and I\'m still alive... so, I guess I\'m doing okay & I\'ll keep doing it! :awwyeah:
(leith, is this crazy enough for ya?!) ;)
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Leith I thought the headies in California were supposed to be pretty good? ;)
And Yoda... myself or anyone in my family, honestly, would sacrifice their own lives for 1,000 other lives. I wouldn\'t even have to ask.
Edit again:: I\'m probably the least "right wing" person on this whole board, you complete moron! But once in a while reality gets in the way of what we liberals are "supposed" to believe.
Let\'s please clarify the differences between a libertarian, a right-winger, a republican, conservative, and a neo-conservative. My way of remembering: neo-conservatives pretend to be right-winger republicans, but actually tend to support lots of money going to war and protecting the federal reserve banks; actions which are NOT conservative or republican.
As for this topic, isn\'t it all very grand that these vaccines are made in foreign countries, esp. connected to the business liason of the Rockefellers? Who knew modern medicine and technological advancement made it sooo necessary to buy stockpiles of unknown contaminants, all for the sake of saving lives?
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Along with my time machine I\'m developing technology to slap multiple people in the face with a frozen fish over the internet. Don\'t worry it\'s open source, you all can use it for free as well as tweak the code all you want ...
Read the **** encyclopedia Britannica for all I care. Martial law has happened in the USA, there\'s no reason at all to believe it won\'t happen again.
Maybe try proving these facts wrong?
I\'m sure you\'ll be cracking up as this story develops and starts to affect your real lives.
What facts?
That there has been martial law? OK there was slavery too.
There was even a ban on alcohol I hear back in the day.
Wow wait a second. This is not my real life?
Mind= Blown
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Along with my time machine I\'m developing technology to slap multiple people in the face with a frozen fish over the internet. Don\'t worry it\'s open source, you all can use it for free as well as tweak the code all you want ...
Read the **** encyclopedia Britannica for all I care. Martial law has happened in the USA, there\'s no reason at all to believe it won\'t happen again.
Maybe try proving these facts wrong?
I\'m sure you\'ll be cracking up as this story develops and starts to affect your real lives.
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wikipedia is a reliable source for this serious thread.
Damn u got me there.
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wikipedia is a reliable source for this serious thread.
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Sorry, but when you start throwing around martial law on this topic, your true colors shine through and they paint a red, white and blue elephant...
I voted for Obama because I thought he was a liberal. Maybe he is. Maybe he\'s a puppet just like the rest of them since Ronald Reagan.
I hate Bill Clinton because he pretended to be progressive when all he did was **** the world over with "free trade" policies.
I\'d vote for Dennis Kucinich if the guy had a chance in hell.
Anyone who calls me a conservative can seriously bite me. Anyone who implies I am a republican can suck a nut. Anyone who think\'s I\'m crazy is almost certainly at least partially right. But that also doesn\'t mean I\'m wrong.
And for the record Martial Law isn\'t just some idea Pat Buchanan pulled out of his ass to scare gun owners. For fear of linking anything besides CNN and being labeled some kind of bullshit, read a wikipedia. It\'s nothing new to the United States of America.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law
Assuming you\'re too lazy to read most of these links and are just running your mouth to be a dickwad like usual, here\'s a few tidbits about executive orders. Executive orders much like Obama just enacted:
# Executive Order 10995: All communications media are to be seized by the Federal Government. Radio, TV, newspapers, CB, Ham, telephones, and the internet will be under federal control. Hence, the First Amendment will be suspended indefinitely.
# Executive Order 10997: All electrical power, fuels, and all minerals well be seized by the federal government.
# Executive Order 10998: All food resources, farms and farm equipment will be seized by the government. You will not be allowed to hoard food since this is regulated.
# Executive Order 10999: All modes of transportation will go into government control. Any vehicle can be seized.
# Executive Order 11000: All civilians can be used for work under federal supervision.
# Executive Order 11490: Establishes presidential control over all US citizens, businesses, and churches in time of "emergency."
# Executive Order 12919: Directs various Cabinet officials to be constantly ready to take over virtually all aspects of the US economy during a State of National Emergency at the direction of the president.
# Executive Order 13010: Directs FEMA to take control over all government agencies in time of emergency. FEMA is under control of executive branch of the government.
# Executive Order 12656: "ASSIGNMENT OF EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS RESPONSIBILITIES", "A national emergency is any occurrence, including natural disaster, military attack, technological emergency, or other emergency that seriously degrades or seriously threatens the national security of the United States. Policy for national security emergency preparedness shall be established by the President." This order includes federal takeover of all local law enforcement agencies, wage and price controls, prohibits you from moving assets in or out of the United States, creates a draft, controls all travel in and out of the United States, and much more.
# Martial law can be declared due to natural disasters, Y2k Crisis, Stock Market crash, no electricity, riots, biological attack, .... anything leading to the breakdown of law and order.
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But you\'re right. I\'m just making this stuff up and my time machine is almost ready so I can go back in time to vote for Nixon.
You did not just tell some one to read a wikipedia for concrete information. You didn\'t. Really?
:lol: Awesome!
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I think it mostly proves what an immature selfish prick you are Yoda. Wouldn\'t have expected anything less. Thanks for taking a giant horse-**** on a serious thread. What else is new?
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This is just an example and proves how easy it is to **** off you guys. Class dissmissed.
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Sorry, but when you start throwing around martial law on this topic, your true colors shine through and they paint a red, white and blue elephant...
I voted for Obama because I thought he was a liberal. Maybe he is. Maybe he\'s a puppet just like the rest of them since Ronald Reagan.
I hate Bill Clinton because he pretended to be progressive when all he did was **** the world over with "free trade" policies.
I\'d vote for Dennis Kucinich if the guy had a chance in hell.
Anyone who calls me a conservative can seriously bite me. Anyone who implies I am a republican can suck a nut. Anyone who think\'s I\'m crazy is almost certainly at least partially right. But that also doesn\'t mean I\'m wrong.
And for the record Martial Law isn\'t just some idea Pat Buchanan pulled out of his ass to scare gun owners. For fear of linking anything besides CNN and being labeled some kind of bullshit, read a wikipedia. It\'s nothing new to the United States of America.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law
Assuming you\'re too lazy to read most of these links and are just running your mouth to be a dickwad like usual, here\'s a few tidbits about executive orders. Executive orders much like Obama just enacted:
# Executive Order 10995: All communications media are to be seized by the Federal Government. Radio, TV, newspapers, CB, Ham, telephones, and the internet will be under federal control. Hence, the First Amendment will be suspended indefinitely.
# Executive Order 10997: All electrical power, fuels, and all minerals well be seized by the federal government.
# Executive Order 10998: All food resources, farms and farm equipment will be seized by the government. You will not be allowed to hoard food since this is regulated.
# Executive Order 10999: All modes of transportation will go into government control. Any vehicle can be seized.
# Executive Order 11000: All civilians can be used for work under federal supervision.
# Executive Order 11490: Establishes presidential control over all US citizens, businesses, and churches in time of "emergency."
# Executive Order 12919: Directs various Cabinet officials to be constantly ready to take over virtually all aspects of the US economy during a State of National Emergency at the direction of the president.
# Executive Order 13010: Directs FEMA to take control over all government agencies in time of emergency. FEMA is under control of executive branch of the government.
# Executive Order 12656: "ASSIGNMENT OF EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS RESPONSIBILITIES", "A national emergency is any occurrence, including natural disaster, military attack, technological emergency, or other emergency that seriously degrades or seriously threatens the national security of the United States. Policy for national security emergency preparedness shall be established by the President." This order includes federal takeover of all local law enforcement agencies, wage and price controls, prohibits you from moving assets in or out of the United States, creates a draft, controls all travel in and out of the United States, and much more.
# Martial law can be declared due to natural disasters, Y2k Crisis, Stock Market crash, no electricity, riots, biological attack, .... anything leading to the breakdown of law and order.
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But you\'re right. I\'m just making this stuff up and my time machine is almost ready so I can go back in time to vote for Nixon.
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http://www.obamapocalypse.com/ (http://www.obamapocalypse.com/)
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Leith I thought the headies in California were supposed to be pretty good? ;)
And Yoda... myself or anyone in my family, honestly, would sacrifice their own lives for 1,000 other lives. I wouldn\'t even have to ask.
Edit again:: I\'m probably the least "right wing" person on this whole board, you complete moron! But once in a while reality gets in the way of what we liberals are "supposed" to believe.
Sorry, but when you start throwing around martial law on this topic, your true colors shine through and they paint a red, white and blue elephant...
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ignorance is contagous...
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Leith I thought the headies in California were supposed to be pretty good? ;)
And Yoda... myself or anyone in my family, honestly, would sacrifice their own lives for 1,000 other lives. I wouldn\'t even have to ask.
Edit again:: I\'m probably the least "right wing" person on this whole board, you complete moron! But once in a while reality gets in the way of what we liberals are "supposed" to believe.
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Hey Tuna, if you want one for your dog, I\'ll send you one up. It\'s a little off the topic, but I\'m sure as a right-winger in the bunker with Hannity, you\'d appreciate this:
(https://thebreakfast.info/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frlv.zcache.com%2Ftea_party_militia_member_gear_dog_shirt-p15525809479370107422l08_400.jpg&hash=c66cfab9c4365fed456bc0deb68ec272a8c293e6)
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Oh I know, I\'m just saying that some of the stuff that people get all worked up over is old news. We have a hard time recognizing where we have been manipulated when it\'s been that way since birth.
Yep.
Except some of this is fresh news. Obama *just* passed this. The senate in Mass *just* passed a similar Pandemic Response Bill (http://www.mass.gov/legis/bills/senate/186/st02pdf/st02028.pdf) and is waiting on the house.
Anyone who isn\'t a brainwashed idiot knows the world trade center didn\'t collapse because airplanes hit them. This is "old news". Anyone who payed attention knows the economic stimulus package was an $800 billion robbery by Goldman-Sachs, who now control the Federal Reserve and who donate epic amounts of money to senators and congresspeople, those that aren\'t former or future executives to begin with.
Congress would rather avoid looking like they are putting the nation at risk of, say... a supposed Iraqi threat... a supposed massive world-wide economic collapse... or a supposed viral pandemic , as opposed to being one of the few to do the research and take an unpopular stand.
And Yoda... I\'m not talking about the **** Polio vaccine here! This one is actually very likely to be dangerous, and mandated upon the population. If this happens massive civil unrest will take place and martial law will ensue to deal with it.
No offense to the rest of the world, but I live to fend for my wife and children, family, and friends... It\'s not a national boarder thing, it\'s a me being selfish about my priorities thing... I prescribe to the Machiavellian way of life...
I\'m not going to even attempt to claim that I know anything about the climate change in Bangladesh... I\'m not even sure how you went from Swine Flue Vaccines to Climate Change...
Enjoy life while we\'re here... Do you really thing that Earth was meant to last forever?
Good for **** you Yoda. Big surprise you opinion is selfish and immature. I think you made your opinion on this topic clear... please make way for those who would like to discuss this maturely and aren\'t totally out of their element.
Your last sentence proves what a narrow **** mindstate you have. Good luck with that one!
:slaps head and walks away:
We all make our own choices. I posted this information (yeah, real **** information) in case anyone cared or felt like digging into this stuff on their own.
Not my job to prove the should-be obvious to sheeple.
Like I said, just don\'t complain because nobody told you so.
I\'m outta this thread until somebody posts something that isn\'t a brainwashed knee-jerk reaction. Yoda you can have this one guy, probably the more ignorance you post the more people might want to actually look at the facts.
NOOOOOOOOOO! Don\'t leave you\'re the only one really keeping this thread going in the manner it should.
Crazy always provokes discussion and boy you gots lots of it.
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Fine look at it this way:
Do you think that the seasonal flue vaccine isn\'t necessary? I\'m sure the 36,000 people that die each year don\'t think so...
If you want to go back to the mass vaccination of 1976 in which more than 22% of the country was vaccinated let\'s do that:
- 48,161,019 Americans were vaccinated
- 532 people were diagnosed with Guilliaine-Barre Syndrome directly linked to the vaccine
- 25 people died
Let\'s flasforward to 2008-2009...
- With the current outbreak, more than 1,000 people have died in the US and 5000 worldwide from a disease that came up out of nowhere.
I\'m not saying it\'s going to happen, but this has the possibility to spread worse than the seasonal flu.
Am I getting the vaccine, no, but I\'m not going to stop anyone else from getting it. If the government mandates that I get it, plain and simple... No need to call out the militia...
And believe it or not, this idea of doing what\'s best for everyone is great, but in real life, you\'re just trying to look out for what\'s most important to you... If you had to sacrifice one of your immediate family members to save 1,000 people halfway across the globe, would you? I know I wouldn\'t... That train of thought is in 99% of our minds, I\'ve just been able to accept it a lot earlier than most...
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No offense to the rest of the world, but I live to fend for my wife and children, family, and friends... It\'s not a national boarder thing, it\'s a me being selfish about my priorities thing... I prescribe to the Machiavellian way of life...
I\'m not going to even attempt to claim that I know anything about the climate change in Bangladesh... I\'m not even sure how you went from Swine Flue Vaccines to Climate Change...
Enjoy life while we\'re here... Do you really thing that Earth was meant to last forever?
Good for **** you Yoda. Big surprise you opinion is selfish and immature. I think you made your opinion on this topic clear... please make way for those who would like to discuss this maturely and aren\'t totally out of their element.
Your last sentence proves what a narrow **** mindstate you have. Good luck with that one!
:slaps head and walks away:
We all make our own choices. I posted this information (yeah, real **** information) in case anyone cared or felt like digging into this stuff on their own.
Not my job to prove the should-be obvious to sheeple.
Like I said, just don\'t complain because nobody told you so.
I\'m outta this thread until somebody posts something that isn\'t a brainwashed knee-jerk reaction. Yoda you can have this one guy, probably the more ignorance you post the more people might want to actually look at the facts.
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:slaps head and walks away:
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Oh I know, I\'m just saying that some of the stuff that people get all worked up over is old news. We have a hard time recognizing where we have been manipulated when it\'s been that way since birth.
Yep.
Except some of this is fresh news. Obama *just* passed this. The senate in Mass *just* passed a similar Pandemic Response Bill (http://www.mass.gov/legis/bills/senate/186/st02pdf/st02028.pdf) and is waiting on the house.
Anyone who isn\'t a brainwashed idiot knows the world trade center didn\'t collapse because airplanes hit them. This is "old news". Anyone who payed attention knows the economic stimulus package was an $800 billion robbery by Goldman-Sachs, who now control the Federal Reserve and who donate epic amounts of money to senators and congresspeople, those that aren\'t former or future executives to begin with.
Congress would rather avoid looking like they are putting the nation at risk of, say... a supposed Iraqi threat... a supposed massive world-wide economic collapse... or a supposed viral pandemic , as opposed to being one of the few to do the research and take an unpopular stand.
And Yoda... I\'m not talking about the **** Polio vaccine here! This one is actually very likely to be dangerous, and mandated upon the population. If this happens massive civil unrest will take place and martial law will ensue to deal with it.
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All states allow for Religious or Medical Exemptions if you can prove either... It\'s difficult, but possible...
Oh I know, I\'m just saying that some of the stuff that people get all worked up over is old news. We have a hard time recognizing where we have been manipulated when it\'s been that way since birth.
The thing is, both of my kids have/will have gotten all of the regular vaccinations. My older daughter already got the seasonal shot, but the younger is too young. I repsect a persons choice not to be vaccinated, but there\'s no need to think that the government is going to institute matial law over a swine flu vaccine...
This thread was awesome until this point.
Come ON I want to read more crazy ****!
So be it jedi.... Without these vaccines, think about the adverse reactions that you or your kids could face if you become infected with the conditions that the following vaccines cure:
Hepatitis B
Rotavirus
Dihtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis
Haemophilus influenzae type B
Pneumoccal
Inactivate Poliovirus
Measles, Mumps, Rubella
Varicella
Hepatitis A
Meningococcal
These illnesses aren\'t prevalent in our society because almost all of the population has been innoculated. Go to some of the third world countries were they vaccines aren\'t widely available and ask these kids if they\'d rather have any of the said illnesses above or a shot and I\'m sure you can guess what their response would be...
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All states allow for Religious or Medical Exemptions if you can prove either... It\'s difficult, but possible...
Oh I know, I\'m just saying that some of the stuff that people get all worked up over is old news. We have a hard time recognizing where we have been manipulated when it\'s been that way since birth.
The thing is, both of my kids have/will have gotten all of the regular vaccinations. My older daughter already got the seasonal shot, but the younger is too young. I repsect a persons choice not to be vaccinated, but there\'s no need to think that the government is going to institute matial law over a swine flu vaccine...
re read my first response. I 100% agree with you here. There will not be a mandated H1Ni vaccine. If nothing else it\'s bad politics, and we all know politicking is far more important than national safety!
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All states allow for Religious or Medical Exemptions if you can prove either... It\'s difficult, but possible...
Oh I know, I\'m just saying that some of the stuff that people get all worked up over is old news. We have a hard time recognizing where we have been manipulated when it\'s been that way since birth.
The thing is, both of my kids have/will have gotten all of the regular vaccinations. My older daughter already got the seasonal shot, but the younger is too young. I repsect a persons choice not to be vaccinated, but there\'s no need to think that the government is going to institute matial law over a swine flu vaccine...
This thread was awesome until this point.
Come ON I want to read more crazy ****!
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All states allow for Religious or Medical Exemptions if you can prove either... It\'s difficult, but possible...
Oh I know, I\'m just saying that some of the stuff that people get all worked up over is old news. We have a hard time recognizing where we have been manipulated when it\'s been that way since birth.
The thing is, both of my kids have/will have gotten all of the regular vaccinations. My older daughter already got the seasonal shot, but the younger is too young. I repsect a persons choice not to be vaccinated, but there\'s no need to think that the government is going to institute matial law over a swine flu vaccine...
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All states allow for Religious or Medical Exemptions if you can prove either... It\'s difficult, but possible...
Oh I know, I\'m just saying that some of the stuff that people get all worked up over is old news. We have a hard time recognizing where we have been manipulated when it\'s been that way since birth.
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Come on children, you?re acting like children
Every generation thinks it?s the end of the world
All you fat followers get fit fast
Every generation thinks it?s the last
Thinks it?s the end of the world
It?s a dream down a well
It?s a long, heavy hell
I don?t care anymore, I don?t care anymore
It?s a fear to transcend, if we?re here at the end
I don?t care anymore, I don?t care anymore
You never know
Come on kids, you?re acting like children
Act your age
Get back to black metal and pearls
All you sword swallowers, pull yourselves together
Every generation thinks it?s the worst
Thinks it?s the end of the world
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My karma is fine... As for the climate change exodus; I highly doubt that this will happen in our lifetime.
Maybe not for you. But Bangladesh will almost *in fact* be mostly **** well within our lifetimes.
Wise up. The world doesn\'t start and finish at our national borders.
No offense to the rest of the world, but I live to fend for my wife and children, family, and friends... It\'s not a national boarder thing, it\'s a me being selfish about my priorities thing... I prescribe to the Machiavellian way of life...
I\'m not going to even attempt to claim that I know anything about the climate change in Bangladesh... I\'m not even sure how you went from Swine Flue Vaccines to Climate Change...
Enjoy life while we\'re here... Do you really thing that Earth was meant to last forever?
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My karma is fine... As for the climate change exodus; I highly doubt that this will happen in our lifetime.
Maybe not for you. But Bangladesh will almost *in fact* be mostly **** well within our lifetimes.
Wise up. The world doesn\'t start and finish at our national borders.
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wow, nationwide martial law. for flu shots. really??? AND you can fight off said martial law by getting your karma in order????? methinks its time to pull out the deemsters, brah!! they\'re **** with your head more than you probably intended!!
you do realize, of course, that the ENTIRE military comprises less than one percent of the nation\'s population, right?? of course, knowing that, maybe my invisible quasi-eastern-philosophy force field will work pretty effectively...
be worried about migrations due to drought. that\'s real, quantifiable and currently solutionless. stop wasting your time worrying about what might happen if all of government fails and the president decides to become pol-pot-esque... its no different than walking around crying about the end of the world in 2012! complete mis-allocation of mental resources!!
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My karma is fine... As for the climate change exodus; I highly doubt that this will happen in our lifetime. I think that there\'s a better chance of the skynet machines taking over w/ a band of people will follow John Connor in a resistance...
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I read Behold a Pale Horse in like 2004 and allowed myself to be scared then.
I am not scared now. But those of you who feel the tide of change know that something very bad is about to happen before something very good evolves in the wake of it.
"my first question, of course, is how will the government be able to actually enforce mandatory vaccinations? use the military?? my second is, how will they pay for that enforcement? maybe ge a loan from aig?? my third is, why would any president want to toss away their presidency on something as non-national security as mandatory vaccinations?? even carter knew better than that!"
1) Of course. It\'s called martial law.
2) Maybe Goldman Sachs will donate some of the mostly unaccounted-for $800 billion stimulus package out of their coffers? (aka the "Federal Reserve")
3) Propaganda and Fear are powerful tools, that when waged in a calculated manner against a population (including congress), rarely fail.
No, I will not be stock piling guns. No, I will not start a revolution. And yes, I realize that was a conservative website in my 3rd link which is why I cheekily put it there for "balance". But you can bet I won\'t be sitting around for Military Police to inject something into my body when the time may come.
Besides, even if that doesn\'t fly we still have the impending global food shortages and climate-change exodus around the corner.
I suggest getting your karma in order. I believe this will be spiritually essential for those who wish to make it through the universal toilet-flush in proper condition.
And I am not posting this to argue, debate, or convince anyone one way or the other. When or if the time is right you will realize what you need to. Until then, just don\'t say nobody warned you.
DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH.
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All states allow for Religious or Medical Exemptions if you can prove either... It\'s difficult, but possible...
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while I feel 100% confident that forced vaccinations for H1N1 will not happen, does anyone honestly think that it would be that hard?? Do you have school age children? have you ever questioned your Dr about the necessity of most modern immunizations? Just try to enroll a seven year old into public school without mmr, dpt, tetanus, or even something as silly as hep! Trust me, forced immunization has been going on for the last hundred years. It\'s tough to see the trees when you\'re in the forest.
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my first question, of course, is how will the government be able to actually enforce mandatory vaccinations? use the military?? my second is, how will they pay for that enforcement? maybe ge a loan from aig?? my third is, why would any president want to toss away their presidency on something as non-national security as mandatory vaccinations?? even carter knew better than that!
i mean, you realize, of course, that the government was under a state of national emergency from 2001-2008, right? and while many constitionalities were circumscribed, none was as wildly oppressive to the public as mandatory vaccinations. you know also, of course, that within the national emergencies act are provisions with which the congress can overrule/countermand the policies directed by the president. all of which means that while, technically, all the things you state are possible, they are in no way unilateral or possible due to the sole discretion of the president. just like it is possible, technically, that a monkey can fly into and then out of your ass, most likely you will clench before the comlpetion of such flight, thus impeding the monkey\'s abilities to carry out its intentions to completions. same here. but, allow yourself to be scared by conspiracy theorists all you want. it is halloween season, after all!
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Balanced my ass... WND is a right-wing media source... Their tag-line is "Independent Conservative New Website"... The fact that they are trying to dig up documentation that proves Obama wasn\'t born in the USA loses them all credibility in my eyes... I vote for the guy, but I don\'t agree with a lot of what he\'s done so far... I don\'t think it\'s going to come to manditory vaccinations... The H1N1 strain that is currently affected the US is less intense than the actual seasonal flu and even the manufacturers state that children under 2 shouldn\'t get the vaccine... The truth is that most people were freaked out about this without having to politicize it... If you want to stockpile your ammunition and barricade your door because Obama delclared this a national emergency, go ahead. I\'m going to take it one day at a time... If it comes to the point where it\'s mandatory, then so be it... Are you going to wage the next Civil War over a Swine Flu Vaccine?
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There appears not to have been. Good for you for not getting a swine flu shot. You may want to think of what you will do if the full executive powers of the national emergency are declared.
It\'s possible people will be detained / forced vaccinations... including your child.
I don\'t think I\'m over-reacting to anything. As of a couple days ago this is real. Swine Flu vaccines will be fully stocked in less than a month. You may not have a choice. Better to be informed and prepared than blissfully ignorant.
Here is a little more "balanced" story about it. This one could go either way, folks. Are we Sheeple or People?
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=113964
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yes, the stated, logical reason is probably not it. it MAY be because obama wants to imprison everyone in the country, then give them all injections to turn them into zombies, with which he will create an indefeatable army and will attack the rest of the western hemisphere in an effort to be crowned Socialist Emporer of the Universe! we don\'t have any facts to back this up, but it definitely could be what he\'s after!!! run for your lives!! hide in your bomb shelters!! flu vaccine causes cranial implosions!!!!!!!!!!
meh. give me something with ANY basis in reality and not wild conjecture and we can talk... anybody who knows even the basics of how vaccinations work will be able to tell you why these claims are completely baseless. (i\'ll give you a hint - these vaccinations aren\'t the same as the ones in 76, they are compiled with the dead virus, not a weakened version of the virus)
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I\'m not getting the shot, but let\'s not re-act to something that happened 39 years ago. I\'d hope that science has evolved and that there was a little more testing this go around...
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http://www.blacklistednews.com/news-6069-0-5-5--.html
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Swine flu jab link to killer nerve disease: Leaked letter reveals concern of neurologists over 25 deaths in America
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1206807/Swine-flu-jab-link-killer-nerve-disease-Leaked-letter-reveals-concern-neurologists-25-deaths-America.html
Just read it if you care. People get ready.