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Breakfast Babble => The Grand Scheme Of Things => Topic started by: Yoda on June 19, 2009, 09:00:45 am
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I say keep it as a "splash" page or whatever it is referred to as for the remainder of the tour. They are trying to sell it.
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If I were perusing the net at this site, I may be deterred from going to the actual main page as well...but seriously, if people like the band, they shouldn\'t have much of a concern against clicking to get to the main page.
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I like both ideas... and think that the splash page should have a quick flash animation involving the album artwork and a clip of a song from the album. make it last 15-30 seconds and then automatically redirect to the main content. visual whoop-dee-doo\'s can impress many.
As a Flash developer, I almost refuse to use Flash anymore. It\'s got massive widespread adoption (98%+ for at least Flash 9.0) but most of the same things can be done quicker and more backwards compatibly with javascripts. Once the rest of the browsers catch up to FF 3.5, Flash is going the way of the animated .GIF ... at least I hope!
IMO the main page is the visual whoop-dee-doo and since you see the album prominantly on the main page anyway the spash album page is pretty much useless and statistically deters people from even getting to the main page.
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Great comments, Tuna. Definitely a leap forward. Hope they are listening.
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Also the splash page with the big "Live As Is" album cover is not necessary IMO. Just have it go right to the main page where it is already prominently displayed and impossible to miss. Making people take that "extra click" (especially when the link to continue is the smallest text) is pretty much a mistake and makes the site look incomplete. At the very least I\'d put a 5 second redirect to the main page script in there. Better yet, just go straight to the home page. This will also greatly improve search engine optimization to have the home page content on the "index.html / index.php" splash page.
You make some great points, but I disagree w/ you on this one - I like the newest album artwork being prominent on the front page... keeps things fresh and new. I only wish it mentioned that the album shown is "for sale" on the merch page!
I like both ideas... and think that the splash page should have a quick flash animation involving the album artwork and a clip of a song from the album. make it last 15-30 seconds and then automatically redirect to the main content. visual whoop-dee-doo\'s can impress many.
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You make some great points, but I disagree w/ you on this one - I like the newest album artwork being prominent on the front page... keeps things fresh and new. I only wish it mentioned that the album shown is "for sale" on the merch page!
Google Analytics and other similar software makes it clear that for each page someone has to click through to get to the main content, the less likely they will even get to the main content.
It\'s known as the "Rule of Three Clicks"... if people have to click more than 3 times to get where they expect to be, the vast majority are gone.
In this case it\'s only 1 click but the link to "continue to the main site" is small and obscured by the giant album artwork and text below it. I\'d call this a "1.5" click.
Without running analytics on the site and comparing what it would be like, page visits for the home page vs. the splash screen Album page (ideally you want 100% to get at least to the home page) I can\'t say a certain % are simply leaving rather than continuing on. But my evaluation of this as it\'s set up right now is that I\'d imagine 10%-15% of visitors get no further than the album slash page.
Ask the site admin for a report of the google analytics. I bet my estimate is pretty damn close ;)
Now if you had an auto redirect script that made it so it would go to the home page after like 5 seconds, you\'d probably get close to a 98% rate of ppl making it to the home page. Vast improvement.
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Also the splash page with the big "Live As Is" album cover is not necessary IMO. Just have it go right to the main page where it is already prominently displayed and impossible to miss. Making people take that "extra click" (especially when the link to continue is the smallest text) is pretty much a mistake and makes the site look incomplete. At the very least I\'d put a 5 second redirect to the main page script in there. Better yet, just go straight to the home page. This will also greatly improve search engine optimization to have the home page content on the "index.html / index.php" splash page.
You make some great points, but I disagree w/ you on this one - I like the newest album artwork being prominent on the front page... keeps things fresh and new. I only wish it mentioned that the album shown is "for sale" on the merch page!
But yeah, the stuff I mentioned + adding everything possible to "Merch" would give the site way more traffic, better search engine standings, and make the band and community appear more organized and active than otherwise.
^ already in the works
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I believe in the Live As Is thread, when people were having glitchy issues with the site and it wasn\'t working with FF / IE / Chrome accurately, I stated a bunch of obvious bug fixes and suggestions how to improve the site.
The web developer either saw the comments or was already intending to fix these issues... although I can\'t believe it wasn\'t tested in FF before going live :P
That said, I pretty much adore the new site from a design and basic functionality point of view. The coding is also done in a modern and professional way. ZERO Flash elements with that much interactivity is the way forward.
Kudos, indeed. Elements of this site have influenced some of my own work. I think it\'s downright sexy.
That said, integration with breakfast.info , archive.org , setlists , and using http://www.thebreakfast.ORG as a default login portal for http://www.thebreakfast.INFO are still easy enough things to do that I feel would make the new site much more effective. There\'s no longer a reason the fan board should be totally separate from the website. Especially a new website this good.
Overall though, I\'m impressed The Breakfast or their management or whoever managed to get such quality and sleek-looking work done.
Kudos! Integrate the message boards, and have .info redirect to .org to login, keep setlists updated, and have a panel with links to shows up on archive.org..... and by all means offer to sell Deuce, Real Radio, and Moxie Epoxy online (still got rights to that?)... I think the original PB album is basically defunct except for existing copies due to ownership issues... no?
Also the splash page with the big "Live As Is" album cover is not necessary IMO. Just have it go right to the main page where it is already prominently displayed and impossible to miss. Making people take that "extra click" (especially when the link to continue is the smallest text) is pretty much a mistake and makes the site look incomplete. At the very least I\'d put a 5 second redirect to the main page script in there. Better yet, just go straight to the home page. This will also greatly improve search engine optimization to have the home page content on the "index.html / index.php" splash page.
But yeah, the stuff I mentioned + adding everything possible to "Merch" would give the site way more traffic, better search engine standings, and make the band and community appear more organized and active than otherwise.
Not sure what budget limitations there are for additional changes and also what kind of update policy the web design company works with.... but trust me these are not really hard things to implement, shouldn\'t cost much extra if at all.
If the site is not going to be updated regularly or whatnot I cannot host a site like this for free, but can do it cheaply and keep it up to date and implement additional features for a discount. If I could do it for free I would but I can certainly do things for deep discounts and stay on top of updates mostly for free..
yakity yak
Great site. 9/10. Easy to make a solid 10/10 though ;)
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So, I\'m down with the new site (.org), but I was wondering if anyone knows if they\'re going to put the setlists back up...
Searching through individual sets in the forum or going to setlist.com for early PB shows is a PIA...
Correction. No setlist archive is a PF (Panus Fart).
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So, I\'m down with the new site (.org), but I was wondering if anyone knows if they\'re going to put the setlists back up...
Searching through individual sets in the forum or going to setlist.com for early PB shows is a PIA...
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just need to get back in the swing of things again I guess.
absolutely do. i\'m gonna start knocking on your door to kidnap you guys. i assume you\'re doing vibes, right? because if not, i think you and kim would really enjoy cabinfest.
(http://www.facebook.com/dianacostello?v=feed#/event.php?eid=63641129226&ref=ts)
Whats funny is as soon as you posted about cabinfest I called my friend kyle and said lets go it is 1/2 way between us etc etc. I was all pumped. He was Mike. it is the same weekend as vibes. DOH
This is of course the same guy i was trying to convince to come down from albany to go to the crash mansion show. Only problem was I was asking him to come down a week early. HAHAHAH. Of course luckily I realized it before he hit the road but still. :)
And yes we will be at vibes to make it 10 straight.
ughhhhh. while of course i wish u the best at vibes and totally understand, i really wish this was on a diff wkend. i would want each and every one of you guys -- dare i say the bfam -- there... ah well. rock it.
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just need to get back in the swing of things again I guess.
absolutely do. i\'m gonna start knocking on your door to kidnap you guys. i assume you\'re doing vibes, right? because if not, i think you and kim would really enjoy cabinfest.
(http://www.facebook.com/dianacostello?v=feed#/event.php?eid=63641129226&ref=ts)
Whats funny is as soon as you posted about cabinfest I called my friend kyle and said lets go it is 1/2 way between us etc etc. I was all pumped. He was Mike. it is the same weekend as vibes. DOH
This is of course the same guy i was trying to convince to come down from albany to go to the crash mansion show. Only problem was I was asking him to come down a week early. HAHAHAH. Of course luckily I realized it before he hit the road but still. :)
And yes we will be at vibes to make it 10 straight.
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just need to get back in the swing of things again I guess.
absolutely do. i\'m gonna start knocking on your door to kidnap you guys. i assume you\'re doing vibes, right? because if not, i think you and kim would really enjoy cabinfest.
(http://www.facebook.com/dianacostello?v=feed#/event.php?eid=63641129226&ref=ts)
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Halloween at Crash Mansion huh ? Sounds like a party
helllllllls yeah, baby!! better see you guys there, neighbor!
Ya I know. I feel like a loser. I haven\'t been to any shows let alone a breakfast show in a while. I guess the last thing music related i did was strangecreek and before that maybe montbleau / sexton in albany ?????
everytime i think i can make a show I bale at the last minute and just say **** it.
just need to get back in the swing of things again I guess.
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Halloween at Crash Mansion huh ? Sounds like a party
helllllllls yeah, baby!! better see you guys there, neighbor!
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thats not pink its R: 224, G: 46, B: 36 | #E02E24 | ΔX: 31, ΔY: 128 | div.wrapper
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Not now, but this was not the color that we initially were speaking about...
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thats not pink its R: 224, G: 46, B: 36 | #E02E24 | ΔX: 31, ΔY: 128 | div.wrapper
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Halloween at Crash Mansion huh ? Sounds like a party
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This band has more logos than the average NASCAR.
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new design again.
i like this one more...it doesn\'t remind me of care bears
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Or they could get a dreamweaver program or whatever its called
uh huh..
I figured it out without a direction manual.
sure ya did... I mean congratulations
Sure our website doesnt look fantastic, but at least its functioning and it doesnt cost us **** to update it.
(https://thebreakfast.info/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ficanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com%2F2008%2F09%2Ffunny-pictures-super-genius-kitten-has-a-very-large-brain.jpg&hash=e726b027597db33e7df5b3649b99de71c0b55210)
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uuugh i have a tshirt with that logo on it, its on a baby blue mini-tee..... uuugh pardon my language but its f\'ing awful, tpalms was giving them away for free and thats the only reason it would be in my possession. simply awful.
i call that the robyn shirt.
Haha! That\'s the first Breakfast shirt I ever owned... I think I bought it back in the day @ Porter\'s for my 5th Breakfast show.
:chin: So... do I really want to know why the shirt\'s named after me, Igzi? ;)
I\'ll admit I also think of Robyn when I see the old design. Must the profile picture that has been there since \'04 or \'05.
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i have faith. i\'ll take an under
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Over/under on when this splash page is replaced with a website: August 15th. Place your bets.
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uuugh i have a tshirt with that logo on it, its on a baby blue mini-tee..... uuugh pardon my language but its f\'ing awful, tpalms was giving them away for free and thats the only reason it would be in my possession. simply awful.
i call that the robyn shirt.
Haha! That\'s the first Breakfast shirt I ever owned... I think I bought it back in the day @ Porter\'s for my 5th Breakfast show.
:chin: So... do I really want to know why the shirt\'s named after me, Igzi? ;)
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They should just install joomla or something like that. That way anyone with half a brain can make updates and they won\'t have to know any html-fu
lots of nice plugins. Hell if they want to save a few bucks I can host .org but I agree having info. org myspace etc etc is probably conuter productive.
Or they could get a dreamweaver program or whatever its called that we have at work. I figured it out without a direction manual. Sure our website doesnt look fantastic, but at least its functioning and it doesnt cost us **** to update it.
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uuugh i have a tshirt with that logo on it, its on a baby blue mini-tee..... uuugh pardon my language but its f\'ing awful, tpalms was giving them away for free and thats the only reason it would be in my possession. simply awful.
i call that the robyn shirt.
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They should just install joomla or something like that. That way anyone with half a brain can make updates and they won\'t have to know any html-fu
lots of nice plugins. Hell if they want to save a few bucks I can host .org but I agree having info. org myspace etc etc is probably conuter productive.
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they have their own website?
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uuugh i have a tshirt with that logo on it, its on a baby blue mini-tee..... uuugh pardon my language but its f\'ing awful, tpalms was giving them away for free and thats the only reason it would be in my possession. simply awful.
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I agree with darker shades.
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I think .info should just annex .org and combine forces; then honey butter can autoplay every time you view a post! :biggrin:
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Taking down a functional existing site while building a new one is pretty bad practice... sites should be built on a test platform or offline and then uploaded/moved all at once upon completion.
i\'m pretty sure thebreakfast.org has been down for a little while anyway. the logo with \'coming soon\' is as much as they\'ve had for weeks
as long as honey butter doesn\'t start playing as soon as you go there, it\'s a win.
agreed!
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as long as honey butter doesn\'t start playing as soon as you go there, it\'s a win.
main reason I never visited the site....started right away and always seemed extremely loud.
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It could be worse.... Remember the 8m.com site...
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as long as honey butter doesn\'t start playing as soon as you go there, it\'s a win.
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Taking down a functional existing site while building a new one is pretty bad practice... sites should be built on a test platform or offline and then uploaded/moved all at once upon completion.
BTW I\'m a web/graphic designer and prob woulda done this hella cheap or possibly pro boner depending on the complexity :P I hope they aren\'t paying too much.
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You don\'t like pink ?
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The pink has got to go.
Yeaaah, not feeling the pink.. Maybe they can have the designer change the shade up a little to be more reddish.....or maybe outline or shadow with a golden yellow.
Just my thoughts....
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Nothing... I\'m assuming that the page up now is a taste of what the site will look like when it\'s completed... I could be wrong... I only brought it up because I stumbled on it yesterday and noticed that no one had mentioned it yet...
No one mentioned it because it\'s a logo design from 2001.
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Nothing... I\'m assuming that the page up now is a taste of what the site will look like when it\'s completed... I could be wrong... I only brought it up because I stumbled on it yesterday and noticed that no one had mentioned it yet...
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i\'m just seeing a \'coming soon\' splash page... what am i missing?
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now for the reality.....its been ready or close for the past year+, so dont hold your breath......
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awesome~!
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I wonder what is going to be ready first......the new website or a new original from Tim Palmieri.....
i am still waiting for the breakfast to play eppy 4
that counts as a new original, and from what i understand, it is ready or really close........
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I wonder what is going to be ready first......the new website or a new original from Tim Palmieri.....
i am still waiting for the breakfast to play eppy 4
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The pink has got to go.
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I wonder what is going to be ready first......the new website or a new original from Tim Palmieri.....
any bets?
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I wonder what is going to be ready first......the new website or a new original from Tim Palmieri.....
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i like it a lot!
i didnt really like the old website, it crashed on me a lot when loading pages.
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Sassy..............looks like the stamp one of those pre-teen cory magazines......
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Has anyone else checked out the new design that .org has? Any thoughts?