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General Discussions => Spunk => Topic started by: NickNels on May 08, 2009, 01:23:48 pm
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There is no time for space.
Therefore, the space takes up too much time.
The time it takes to make the space,
does not give the space time for the making.
Swami Bananahedananda
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I enjoy watching David Lynch\'s films because of his manipulation of \'Time\'. The latest movie Inland Empire is incredible. Waves and alternate reality...
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FRINGE breaking new ground tonight! I won\'t give anything away, but it puts forth an interesting concept, but has yet to fully define it yet.
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Timey/Spacey disgust shun :starwars:
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I do not know anyone named Time.
End of discussion.
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The difference between the evolution of the naturual brain and the evolution of the atrifocal brian is that one is a, from our stand point, a purely natural process.
The other, we are trying to take what we know about how our own brains function and map it to a simulation.
The day that a calculator can naturally turn itself into a super computer is the day the computers have equaled the human brain.
how is our creation of any intelligence NOT a natural process??
if we wanna look at it from a religious standpoint, god created us in his image so why shouldn\'t we have an intrinsic need to create ourselves?
and look, we\'re in a bit of a situation here on earth, if you haven\'t noticed. Don\'t you think it\'s possible that we\'re building a new vessel for our consciousness that transcends the limitations of our current biology? go look at the kinds of things DARPA is up to these days and then tell me we\'re not about to be faced with some major decisions about the "ethics" of the things we\'ll be capable of...
I have no doubt that we are rapidly approaching a point of having to redefine alot of terms; conciouness, awareness, intelligence, due to what we are doing with computers.
From the last papers I have read, the real limitation is not in the creating of the "brian" or the algorithms that go into desicion makings. These concepts are well understood and somewhat easy to grasp; they have been around for 50 or so years.
The what is not in question, the how is. Computations per seconds and thoughts per second are completely different.
I have no doubt that very shortly, probably well before your graph would suggest, we will produce a reasonably self aware machine. While I have no problem with this, there might be religous objections.
What is human? Is sexual reproduction that only way of creating more humans? What is the difference between creating intelligant computers and clones? Especially if we are able to construct "bodies" to put the intelligant computers in.
Cloning and intelligant computers pose the same questions from different angles:
If we are able to create a soul without a container (intelligant computer) or a container without a soul (clone) what does that mean for those of us who are both soul and container?
There are alot of ways to define life, the best way is something that has a state of either alive or dead, and can reproduce. There are, in theory, no restrictions on how a living being can reproduce. This could all just be a mute point.
Personally, I would say that if either can be created decoupled from the other, that would point really to one of two things (and I do not know which one I would honestly chose, but I can tell you which one I hope is true):
1.) We are pure conduits of another engery or intelligence source that is far beyond our comprehension. The manor in which we create new souls or containers, while they might apear different to us, from the "futher out" perceptive are the same, and therefore don\'t really matter.
2.) We are nothing more than a punch of atoms randomly combined to create something that seems to have intelligence enough to know what it is, and to create more of it. How we create more of it does not matter.
...Nothing really matters, anyone can see, nothing really maters to me.
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i hope we see some desmond action tomorrow
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I can only comprehend discussion if it is framed around the context of Daniel Farraday, Desmond Hume, and Olivia Dunham.
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The difference between the evolution of the naturual brain and the evolution of the atrifocal brian is that one is a, from our stand point, a purely natural process.
The other, we are trying to take what we know about how our own brains function and map it to a simulation.
The day that a calculator can naturally turn itself into a super computer is the day the computers have equaled the human brain.
how is our creation of any intelligence NOT a natural process??
if we wanna look at it from a religious standpoint, god created us in his image so why shouldn\'t we have an intrinsic need to create ourselves?
and look, we\'re in a bit of a situation here on earth, if you haven\'t noticed. Don\'t you think it\'s possible that we\'re building a new vessel for our consciousness that transcends the limitations of our current biology? go look at the kinds of things DARPA is up to these days and then tell me we\'re not about to be faced with some major decisions about the "ethics" of the things we\'ll be capable of...
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The difference between the evolution of the naturual brain and the evolution of the atrifocal brian is that one is a, from our stand point, a purely natural process.
The other, we are trying to take what we know about how our own brains function and map it to a simulation.
The day that a calculator can naturally turn itself into a super computer is the day the computers have equaled the human brain.
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wow you guys are real headdie. get in there brah !
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And Now Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey....
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TIME / SPACE is an illusion. There is only eternity. Our physical bodies are a time space vehicle. When we identify with the Time/Space vehicle we become time & space.
Our intellect wants to reason a comfortable reality. We cling to what is familiar.
What we truly are doesn\'t reason. What we truly are doesn\'t think.What we truly are doesn\'t decay.
What we truly are.... :?:
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Time as we know it is a man made creation. It is tantamount to harnessing fire and the wheel in our development, but has little or no bearing on anything outside of our tiny human existence.
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Oh hmmm. Maybe so, maybe not. I don\'t mind much for pure existentialism, but I have to say that I feel eternity as a series of cycles.
yes, but look at how it\'s more like an ever tightening spiral. the coils are getting smaller and smaller and thus are leading to an eventual singularity.
here is my crude diagram:
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here is some more interesting imagery:
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how about linearly?
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and how about this?
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makes you think, eh?
and yoda, i will excrete waste and you will eat it. and like it.
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Oh hmmm. Maybe so, maybe not. I don\'t mind much for pure existentialism, but I have to say that I feel eternity as a series of cycles.
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Why are we basing Time/Space theories off of movies and tv shows? We\'re here today, we might be here tomorrow and we might not... End of story...
thank you captain buzzkill.
note to self: go back in time and give yoda a wedgie.
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well i based my theories off historical patterns, not tv shows. so suck it.
Wasn\'t refering to your post... Personally, I had to read your post a couple times to get what you were saying... I was refering to the posts that referenced realistically - Lost, Fringe, Back To The Future, Bill & Ted and The Butterfly Effect..
To end on a similar note to your - Why don\'t you suck a fart out of my ****... :fart:
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well i based my theories off historical patterns, not tv shows. so suck it.
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Why are we basing Time/Space theories off of movies and tv shows? We\'re here today, we might be here tomorrow and we might not... End of story...
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There is no time, only vibrations.
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well considering that all we are is electrical energy taking up residence in this "skin" body that we call "human" it is a silly question
But having said that my electrical energy is firing away and telling me i subscribe to the "Butterfly Effect" notion of time travel.
That setting off variables any variables can have an unknown and staggering effect.
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That being said, I\'d love it if I was living in "a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away"...
so would we, yoda. so would we......
(sorry, that was just too easy not to....)
That\'s fine... I know the majority doesn\'t like my presence, but for those that feel thay, screw you, I\'m not going anywhere...
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That being said, I\'d love it if I was living in "a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away"...
so would we, yoda. so would we......
(sorry, that was just too easy not to....)
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That\'s all way to heavy and too much thinking...
I\'ll put it into my perspective....
- I need more time (ie. for fun, preparing babies room, etc...)
- I need more space (ie. i\'m losing my office to the babies room and it\'s all being crammed into the basement)
That being said, I\'d love it if I was living in "a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away"...
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there are definitely patterns we all are a part of. these patterns are showing exponentially accelerating change leading to creation of intelligence beyond our current understanding. this creates the possibility of 3 distinct scenarios, all of which seem equally plausible to me. the first is along the lines of the lost school of thought in which we\'re just going to be swept up by this accelerating change and evolve according to this logarithmic pattern. the second basically involves these changes being too much for us to handle and thus leading to some catastrophic event that wipes humans off the planet. the third, however, involves humans taking the reigns and being able to slow down or accelerate certain areas of progress, thus acting as conscious co-creators of our own evolution.
and if you\'re scratching your head about this exponentially accelerating change, just read some ray kurzweil.
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I think that time is a concept that for mellinia has been helpful to the human mind - providing order, cycliness, reassureance, etc - but I think that at this point it is getting a bit limiting.
I don\'t know much physics, so, whatever, but I think that, with time gone, you are left with objects made of matter exisiting in a void. Some of these objects seem to have some notion of themselves and each other, but no real clear notion of who or what they really are.
Therefore, I think that what we are experincing is something like a triangle trying to figure out a pryamid. Yes, we probably will be able to understand the structure and the existence of what we are, but I don\'t think that we, at this point, can understand what our existance is.
This understanding, of course, comes when our existancable material evolves/becomes/trancends into a "pyramid."
This understanding will also be fleeting as we will then stand to questions things that, as mere lines, we had no concept of.
So as for lost/fringe, I\'ve never seen either of those, but I do not believe in any sort of predistination. As for the "infinitely parralle" universe theory - a new universe is created for each disicion we make, yeah, I agree with that. However, since we can\'t, knowling at least, "jump" these universeses, I don\'t really see the point of that theory, cool though it maybe.
As Gourte said "Theory is great, but grass is green."
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i don\'t think lost is really \'what happened, happened\'. and i think fringe is hinting at what it will be closer to.
that said, i believe that in this universe, things are predetermined. in this reality, you are doing this set of things. however, with the advent and continual reinforcement of membrane theory, i believe that at this moment in time, we are all doing an infinite amount of differing things in various parallel universes.
for example, in this universe i chose to wear a blue shirt today. in another, perhaps it was red. in another, perhaps it was also blue, but a different shirt. but all of these decisions were made at the same time.
i also tend to think that certain dreams are actually a look into your other realities.
i wish i was in my alter universe where i decided to call into work today.... man i\'m hurt\'n
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We Are The Particle And We Do Exist!:newbie:
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God\'s Particle- Will they ever find it? Does it exist?
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I enjoy the Theory of Relativity. Which isn\'t really a theory since Einstein proved it to be true, but that\'s kinda the best part. It\'s probably the most far-out **** that\'s ever been proven to be true.
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You are right, Good Time Boys should play The Space with T Palms opening.
8 PM Start Time solo acoustic
915 GTB Start Time T Palms plays solo in between sets.
The Space always has earlier shows, I am not sure what the curfew is.
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Did anybody really think this thread would be serious for more than a post or two?
Was expecting a theoretical physics discussion, but I\'m happy with where this thread is at.
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I abide by the Tommy Westphall theory... now there\'s a reference for ya.
Did anybody really think this thread would be serious for more than a post or two?
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l subscribe to the Bill and Ted method.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljtuGoIIKGs
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"There\'s never any time!" - Jesse Spano
This reference makes me so excited... and so scared.
Classic. I am so glad that someone caught on ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljtuGoIIKGs
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"There\'s never any time!" - Jesse Spano
This reference makes me so excited... and so scared.
Classic. I am so glad that someone caught on ;)
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"There\'s never any time!" - Jesse Spano
This reference makes me so excited... and so scared.
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"There\'s never any time!" - Jesse Spano
Quoting the episode where Jesse is strung out on caffeine pills, eh...
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We are the total sum of all of our collective decisions.
I am where I am because I have chosen to be here.
Conscience or not is another question.
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"There\'s never any time!" - Jesse Spano
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I believe in the theory that Ray Romano stole my life story and made a TV show about it...
wow... this explains a lot
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How about I got no time and I\'d like some **** space.
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i also tend to think that certain dreams are actually a look into your other realities.
ooooooooooooo i like that
I believe in the theory that Ray Romano stole my life story and made a TV show about it...
hahahahahaha
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I believe in the theory that Ray Romano stole my life story and made a TV show about it...
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i don\'t think lost is really \'what happened, happened\'. and i think fringe is hinting at what it will be closer to.
that said, i believe that in this universe, things are predetermined. in this reality, you are doing this set of things. however, with the advent and continual reinforcement of membrane theory, i believe that at this moment in time, we are all doing an infinite amount of differing things in various parallel universes.
for example, in this universe i chose to wear a blue shirt today. in another, perhaps it was red. in another, perhaps it was also blue, but a different shirt. but all of these decisions were made at the same time.
i also tend to think that certain dreams are actually a look into your other realities.
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lost brings a new theory of time and space which i had never even thought about before. it\'s basically stating that everything is predetermined, and everyone has a fate or "destiny".
i grew up on back to the future, thinking that if you changed something in the past, it would change the future. hence marty mccfly disappearing in the picture until his parents made out at the under the sea dance.
lost still suggests there are variables which can alter the future, which is basically where we are in the show now. personally, i think it\'s too scientific, and i don\'t exactly agree with a lot of scientific theory.
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i need to change my boxer shorts
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i believe in the two separate path theory. you always have a choice
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Don\'t watch Lost (heard good things but it\'s just in too deep at this point to get into it), but I\'ve been watching Fringe, it\'s been really good lately. You could call it the Back to the Future theory, that\'s all I could think of when I saw Walter drawing that timeline diagram.
As far as which do I "subscribe" to I\'d say, netiher. Life just......... happens.
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So what theory do you describe to?
THe LOST theory of whatever happens, happens. Regardless of the choice you make there is a predetermined path of events in your life that you can\'t change...OR
The FRINGE theory. There are two alternate timelines. Every decision you make or don\'t make result in two different time lines. Both exist simultaneously but seperate from each other. Your time line is not merely a straight line, but one that constantly shifts to stay consistent with your choices.
This is obviously simple and there are more theories out there, but i think this is a great discussion topic.