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Breakfast Babble => The Grand Scheme Of Things => Topic started by: ds673488 on February 02, 2009, 02:37:25 pm
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1. IMHO the Gibson 335 is one of the most badass guitars ever made. Just opinion. I might laugh if I saw Tim playing one, but it would be that nervous "this is so awesome i might die right now" kinda laughs.
hahaaha love that ****
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Blasphemy! :lol:
it\'s basically bc i\'m an SG wannabe owner... my mexican strat needs to be retired.
Retire it?? No way dude Mexi Strats are the ultimate project guitars.
(https://thebreakfast.info/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi403.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fpp114%2Fbdfreetuna%2FStratFeb09.jpg&hash=578f422f05deb970233940eb281d6a7291993f38)
Pretty sure the only Mexican part left on that guitar is the body itself ;)
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I concur with Marcial.
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Tim\'s guitar history in Pb-The Breakfast: This is an educated guess! Any specific dates or corrections are definitely welcome!
98-01- Strat (stolen)
01-Current -SG
02-05 - Tele (stolen)
05-Current -Strat
F@ck those Sons-a-**** who stole Pb\'s equipment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I\'m pretty sure the SG was there from the beginning. Then the cream colored strat, which was stolen. Then the tele, which I guess has also been stolen??
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Blasphemy! :lol:
it\'s basically bc i\'m an SG wannabe owner... my mexican strat needs to be retired.
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PRS = overrated waste of money
I think I\'d laugh if I saw Timmy playing a 335.
Rage that Strat
See the list here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gibson_players (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gibson_players)
1. IMHO the Gibson 335 is one of the most badass guitars ever made. Just opinion. I might laugh if I saw Tim playing one, but it would be that nervous "this is so awesome i might die right now" kinda laughs.
2. I totally don\'t get the point of that "List of Gibson players" link. I look at many guys in the first 20... and they\'re primarily known as Fender players. Jeff Beck?!! Yeah, ok, Gibson made a reissue of a Les Paul he played 40 years ago... but he\'s a Fender player without question.
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Blasphemy! :lol:
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SG SG SG SG SG SG SG SG SG SG SG SG!!
and i play a strat
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PRS = overrated waste of money
I think I\'d laugh if I saw Timmy playing a 335.
Rage that Strat
I agree they are overpriced, but they are nice to play.
As for the 335, if it\'s good enough for Eric Clapton when he was with the Yardbirds, for Larry Carlton and the Edge and also in the beginning of Deep Purple, for Ritchie Blackmore...
Oh yes, and seeing they often used to do Moody Blues covers, Justin Hayward is a dedicated 335 player!! (OK, maybe that one\'s not too serious)
See the list here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gibson_players (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gibson_players)
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PRS = overrated waste of money
I think I\'d laugh if I saw Timmy playing a 335.
Rage that Strat
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i was wondering when someone would mention a PRS. i think timmy would have a nice tone with the PRS, and he could still play the **** out of it. would be interesting. i like the Becker\'s too for tone lately. Jake from UM is using one and it sounds real nice.
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What a bummer about the SG! :(
My first electric was an East German Strat copy - still got it and it still gets used as my primary guitar for working thinsg out at home - solely because it\'s leaning up in the corner of a room, making it accessible.
I kind of agree it\'s sometimes difficult to tell the difference on recordings, but when I have known which guitar it was, I think I prefer the tone on a Gibbo humbucker, so the SG would get my vote.
However, if it\'s now dead, how about trying a 335 or similar for slower stuff - then we\'d really get to hear some tone and sustain. Or for the best of both worlds, I\'m sure he could really rip it up on a PRS.
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Damn bummer about the SG!
Time to hit up Warmoth or USA Custom for a new one?
I don\'t know the exact nature of the damage but maybe it\'s possible to re-set the neck? Then again if the body and fretboard saw damage it may be hard to salvage.
(long live the Strat.. or Tele... but sorry about your loss Tim)
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wow that sucks, my roomates\' tim palmieri signed SG just did the same thing
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for good ? !
sounds like it
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Tim\'s guitar history in Pb-The Breakfast: This is an educated guess! Any specific dates or corrections are definitely welcome!
98-01- Strat (stolen)
01-Current -SG
02-05 - Tele (stolen)
05-Current -Strat
F@ck those Sons-a-**** who stole Pb\'s equipment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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for good ? !
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I heard some depressing news about the SG last night. Broken neck. Out of commish for good.
:sheds tear:
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I prefer the Tele!! Tim was using the Tele pretty much as his main axe when I first got into PB (Late 2002). The tele had such a "psychedelic tone" which is that Tele twang that I thought fit the band perfectly. Just watch that Porters DVD! But as far as Strat vs. SG. I\'ll go with the SG.
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It\'s not even a ?
SGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
Although I gotta say.. he had the tele for a spell and that guitar had really nice and bluesy tone.
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SG all the way.
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I still prefer the SG but I don\'t mind seeing the strat get pulled out.
This thread dealt with tele vs sg but had some interesting responses. (http://thebreakfast.info/forum/showthread.php?t=3581&highlight=tele)
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I kinda wish he still had the Tele around these days (those bastards that stole it will never play it the way it should be played!!), the SG\'s been through it all, the thefts, the years, the tours but he still went out for a new Strat when he needed to buy a guitar. I think he is slightly more face melting on the Strat, It fits him like a glove, allthough to my ears at times it sounds thin (but I\'ve always been a humbucker kinda guy). He needs a guitar as versatile as he is... Humbuckers with coil-tapping (can be played single-coil), that can be played in phase or out of phase, just every bell & whistle possible, why choose when you can have it all, and Tim I\'m sure could make use of it all!
didn\'t Tim start playing strat using Adrian\'s fender?
when did he start bringing his own strat to shows?
He used to have a Black & White Strat that was stolen before the Tele was stolen... don\'t know much about the dates... it\'s all a blur to me!
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tim is a strat player at heart..but i think the sg has the roar needed and action for the bands sound...imho
New pups for the Strat maybe? I think a good Strat can out-roar any Gibson product. Billy Corgan comes to mind. IMO there has still never been a better sounding or playing guitar designed than the Stratocaster.. with the exception of playing speed metal maybe
If Tim likes to play the Strat better I reckon he should.
That said, who wants to trade me my Aria Pro II Les Paul that I never use for another Stratocaster ;)
Compared to the sg the strat feels like a block of wood, heavy, and the bolt on neck just kills it.
Everything you just said I agree with the opposite. Not trying to be a dick about it. But once my Stratocaster warms up after a little bit of playing it becomes like another part of my body.
I guess it\'s a good thing that both exist.. different strokes :)
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If Tim is going to get another Tele, may I suggest this one.
http://www.fender.com/products//search.php?partno=0100202850
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I have this argument with my friend everyday, i have an sg \'61 reissue, and he has a clapton strat. The neck on the sg \'61 is a slim taper, and is a lot skinner than a les paul or most gibson styles. Compared to the sg the strat feels like a block of wood, heavy, and the bolt on neck just kills it. Tone-wise though i believe there are pros and cons of both, but im baised towards an sg, always!
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i\'m a strat girl all the way !!! :) bring back the strat!!
I didn\'t know it left.
the sg has been back in full force since mill street :) i have no idea why i pay that much attention to detail.....but like i said....i\'m a sucker for the strat
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i play a strat.
but i wish it was an SG.
strats are so sexy to play, its like... well i guess its hard to describe with out getting awkward, but its sick.
I really prefer the sound of the SG tho. i am almost always way more into tim\'s tone with the SG, signiature PB sound.
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didn\'t Tim start playing strat using Adrian\'s fender?
when did he start bringing his own strat to shows?
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i\'m a strat girl all the way !!! :) bring back the strat!!
I didn\'t know it left.
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"to many note"......
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SG all the way.
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i\'m a strat girl all the way !!! :) bring back the strat!!
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I prefer the Strat personally. What ever happened to the Tele?
STOLEN
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anoth3er vote for the SG. while i love the strat, i feel the overall sound that comes out of the SG is what i love about the breakfast and think it fits better. fwiw
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I prefer the Strat personally. What ever happened to the Tele?
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i was going to ask the same thing
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noiseless 2 coil pickups.
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what are humbuckers?
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bingo!
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I\'m certainly on team SG.. I like the sound much more. Don\'t know how to put it technically, but the SG sounds grittier and thicker to me. I just feel the high end of the Strat is hollow and the deep end can\'t sustain itself like the SG.
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sorry Pickens, its a busy day at work today!
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tim is a strat player at heart..but i think the sg has the roar needed and action for the bands sound...imho
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Actually there was a period when the SG was out of commission for a while, which I think corresponds to the time the tele was being used. I\'m not a big tele fan, but boy there were memorable moments with that.
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Sg !!!!!!!
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as a strat player for 20 years, i\'m biased...
That\'s it?
As the resident audiofile, I expected a dissertation from you
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as a strat player for 20 years, i\'m biased...
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Not for me, I preferred the SG. Always dreamed of the day that Tim would take the stage with a double neck SG strapped on.
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Secondly, the humbuckers used in many Gibsons tend to give them a fatter sound.
I understand what Dave means by "tone thickness" lacking on the SG. The humbuckers tend to emphasize mid range frequencies, whereas a Stratocaster set to the neck pickup will have a much more scooped out sound which is better for getting real clarity on single notes.
On the flip side, you get meatier sounding barre chords with humbuckers as they tend to merge the sound of the individual notes more.
I have been impressed by the sustain and harmonics Tim\'s been getting on the SG lately.
And for the record, no I couldn\'t tell the difference between them listening to an AUD/SBD recording. But I could definitely tell the difference hearing it straight through the PA.
Well "Classic PB Era" was really mostly Telecaster.
Was it? I can only speak from 99-01 and and to my recollection, Tim pretty much played the SG for most of that time. I remember him playing the Telecaster at Blues Cafe and he had just gotten in. Then 9/12/01 hit and they started from scratch. At that point, I think Tim started to play a Strat and then got another SG. I could be completely off base on that one, but that\'s the way I remember it. But the SG was always what I remember from the early PB days.
Well "Classic Era" for me started in 2002 and for some reason I remember a lot of Tele. Probably just luck of the draw ;)
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Well "Classic PB Era" was really mostly Telecaster.
Was it? I can only speak from 99-01 and and to my recollection, Tim pretty much played the SG for most of that time. I remember him playing the Telecaster at Blues Cafe and he had just gotten in. Then 9/12/01 hit and they started from scratch. At that point, I think Tim started to play a Strat and then got another SG. I could be completely off base on that one, but that\'s the way I remember it. But the SG was always what I remember from the early PB days.
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Well "Classic PB Era" was really mostly Telecaster.
IMO the Stratocaster has superior tone. There was some time whenever I saw Tim pick up the Strat instead of the SG, I knew it was going to be a classic show.
I can\'t speak for Tim but the neck and scale length of the Stratocaster make for a much more playable instrument for me. I feel handicapped on any Gibson or Gibson style guitar compared to a top of the line Stratocaster. But obviously Tim can switch it up pretty seamlessly.
Due to the flatter neck radius on the Gibson it\'s faster and easier for finger tapping and harder rocking. The thinner (and way better IMO) Fender neck makes it better for just about anything else. Then again I also find rosewood fretboards to make Fender necks feel too thick as well.
That said, *most* of the best I\'ve seen him play was with the Strat. *Most* of the "somewhat off" shows I\'ve seen were with SG in hand.
That also said, the last show at the Iron Horse was probably the best I\'ve ever seen Tim play guitar, and he was using the SG.
So I really don\'t give a crap except the Stratocaster tone is a little friendlier to my earholes.
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metronomes? where we\'re going we don\'t need metronomes.
we can just ask wolfman what the tempo is. I believe he keeps track of that along with his notes per show count.
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Newb\'s, I find your question interesting because it flies in the face of most traditional thinking about those 2 guitars.
Gibsons necks tend to be much thicker then Fenders, which can lead to slower play.
I\'m not sure if it\'s really possible to know which instrument he plays faster. He might be able to tell which one he feels faster on. I think if you got yourself a metronome, a stopwatch and some carefully constructed experiments... you might only find yourself with a virtual tie in the end.
Secondly, the humbuckers used in many Gibsons tend to give them a fatter sound.
Personally, I don\'t know if I could distinguish the 2 guitars in a recording.
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I believe that there was a discussion already on this topic.
http://www.thebreakfast.info/forum/showthread.php?t=893&highlight=Strat
Sorry, it was SG vs. Telecaster.
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Seems like Tim has been going back to the classic PB SG recently (since Jordan returned). He was using the Fender Strat a lot in the Matty O era (Fall 07-Fall 08). Im kinda undecided which I like better. I used to be SG all the way because Tim can play a million miles an hour on it, but I feel like a little bit of "tone thickness" or something is lacking since he moved away from the Strat. Sometimes 8 hundred thousand really face-melting notes are bettter than a million notes that might not be as epic.