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Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: Lexington on August 15, 2008, 02:47:27 pm
les is more creative and original than woot, i will agree with that. i just think vic woot is a better bassist
men w/o hats
how bout: Speaking in Tongues vs Remain in Light?
or
77 vs Buildings and Food?
i go speaking and buildings
or FZ 74 vs FZ 79
flo and eddie vs ike and ray?
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: booztravlr on August 15, 2008, 02:25:35 pm
vs
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: Vassillios on August 15, 2008, 01:51:48 pm
Quote from: Gfunk;199427
Quote from: Vassillios;199409
bouncing round the room v. velvet sea meh niether. lifeboy.
Quote from: Gfunk;199318
UM>MOE. (Jim is the man though)
Vitor Wooten vs Les Claypool = tough call
tough call on both.
um shreds more, but moe. just has some damn good songwriting.
and wooten may be more technically sound but les is downright dirty
=
Iiiiiiiii am a pinball machine iiiiiii can tell the difference between myyyyyyy belly button or navel ping pong pool cue or a foosball table.
I used to love moe. and still have a soft spot for some of their songs (Mcbain) but their last album pretty much sucked ass except for Zoz. Umphrey\'s on the other hand impress me more and more everytime.
As for Les vs. Vic, yeah vic is probably more technical, however Les (IMO) has created more completely origional music that really doesn\'t sound like anyone else. esp. w/ primus but his other projects are all pretty top notch (except for the one w/ gabby brown brown) as well.
I\'m listening to the up north um show right now, and it\'s not really impressing me at all. I\'ve heard better from them... and they are not really that improvisational, very technical.
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: ds673488 on August 15, 2008, 01:39:56 pm
the first ime i saw wootens band it was one of the greatest things ive ever seen, then when i saw them again and the show was almost exactly identical (even the trick licks reggie pulled on the guitar), i thought much lower of the band
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: Gfunk on August 15, 2008, 01:37:41 pm
Quote from: Vassillios;199409
bouncing round the room v. velvet sea meh niether. lifeboy.
Quote from: Gfunk;199318
UM>MOE. (Jim is the man though)
Vitor Wooten vs Les Claypool = tough call
tough call on both.
um shreds more, but moe. just has some damn good songwriting.
and wooten may be more technically sound but les is downright dirty
=
Iiiiiiiii am a pinball machine iiiiiii can tell the difference between myyyyyyy belly button or navel ping pong pool cue or a foosball table.
I used to love moe. and still have a soft spot for some of their songs (Mcbain) but their last album pretty much sucked ass except for Zoz. Umphrey\'s on the other hand impress me more and more everytime.
As for Les vs. Vic, yeah vic is probably more technical, however Les (IMO) has created more completely origional music that really doesn\'t sound like anyone else. esp. w/ primus but his other projects are all pretty top notch (except for the one w/ gabby brown brown) as well.
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: Vassillios on August 15, 2008, 01:08:17 pm
bouncing round the room v. velvet sea
Quote from: Wolfman;198510
OK, here\'s a shitstorm thread that needs to happen!
Discuss all classic band v. band matchups, or come up with new ones. Half the discussion could be whether two bands even warrant discussion against each other. Album v. album is also OK too.
Some classics:
Beatles v. Stones Led Zep v. The Who Phish v. Grateful Dead Nirvana v. Pearl Jam Miles v. Coltrane Biggie v. 2Pac Sugarhill Gang v. Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five Beethoven v. Bach
Some reaches: Tool v. Iron Maiden SCI v. moe. Rush v. Yes Motley Crue v. Poison
Some albums: (same band) Houses of the Holy v. Led Zep IV Rift v. Junta White Album v. Sgt. Pepper\'s Deuce v. Real Radio
(different band) The Wall v. Tommy Curtis v. Graduation
beatles zep phish pearl jam miles 2pac sugarhill beethoven tool moe. rush poison zep IV rift white album deuce
Quote from: Gfunk;199318
UM>MOE. (Jim is the man though)
Vitor Wooten vs Les Claypool = tough call
tough call on both.
um shreds more, but moe. just has some damn good songwriting.
and wooten may be more technically sound but les is downright dirty
=
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: Lexington on August 15, 2008, 12:35:47 pm
Return to Forev. no doubt
i like weather report, but Corea is one of the best songwriters ever. if you haven\'t heard Enchantment by Chick Corea and Bela Fleck, you really need to check it out. really phenomenal music
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: Gfunk on August 15, 2008, 12:27:00 pm
Quote from: jocelyn;199353
Quote from: Lexington;199341
^^^^ listen to Stanley Clarke by stanley clarke, and prepare to be pwned
What do you think of Weather Report vs. Return to Forever?
RTF
Bootsy vs Flea
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: ds673488 on August 15, 2008, 10:02:25 am
Quote from: tyzack;199359
There is a band called Weather Report?
I see the vultures moving in...
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: tyzack on August 15, 2008, 09:15:54 am
There is a band called Weather Report?
Or is this a reference to Weather Report Suite?
Inwhich case I\'d vote for Weather Report Suite...
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: jocelyn on August 15, 2008, 07:48:36 am
Quote from: Lexington;199341
^^^^ listen to Stanley Clarke by stanley clarke, and prepare to be pwned
What do you think of Weather Report vs. Return to Forever?
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: tyzack on August 15, 2008, 07:41:33 am
Bach and Beethoven are not really comparable.
They are both classical compossars but wrote different styles (Baroque vs Romantic), and in different centuries.
Quote from: Drew_Kingsley;198674
The Breakfast vs. Phish
(I have the feeling that I am going to regret posting this... but I think it could be a good question if everybody thinks about it before they respond.)
Breakfast.
Metallica vs Black Sabbath
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: Lexington on August 15, 2008, 02:02:18 am
^^^^ listen to Stanley Clarke by stanley clarke, and prepare to be pwned
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: bezerker on August 15, 2008, 12:52:02 am
um owns moe, 6-22-94 and second set of 7-16-94 are my favorite shows at least for a while now, and i\'d say les because he would be way more fun to trip with (really hard to tell who\'s the better bassist in my mind)
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: Lexington on August 15, 2008, 12:31:46 am
stanley clarke= all time BEST bass player ever. his self titled solo album alone destroys any effort that anyone else has made.
but jaco is really good, continuum especially is such a beatuful song. wooten also teases this tune on Live at the Quick. vic woot i think is way better (more talented) than les, for the record
Miles Davis\' "In a Silent Way", the best band ever assembled. only the mothers of 73 or 74 come close, imho (in my haggard opinion)
note: this is not a claim that In a Silent Way is Davis\' best album, just the best lineup
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: jocelyn on August 15, 2008, 12:09:17 am
Quote from: Lexington;199323
stanley clarke vs jaco?
Ohh. Really good one.
Jaco.
BUT
Return to Forever > Weather Report
Whaddya think about that?
Quote from: Gfunk;199318
UM>MOE. (Jim is the man though)
Vitor Wooten vs Les Claypool = tough call
Wooten, but he has a serious man-crush on Stanley Clarke.
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: Lexington on August 14, 2008, 11:47:35 pm
Quote from: Klout;198916
Most Epic phish show ever:
12-31-95
Hands down.
no way. i mean, i wasn\'t there so i dont really know, but i\'ve listened to that shiz a million times, i say no. it was obviously epic, but i like other shows better. i like 3-22-93, i think, maybe 94. that gamehenge show. that **** is sick
stanley clarke vs jaco?
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: Gfunk on August 14, 2008, 09:53:53 pm
UM>MOE. (Jim is the man though)
Vitor Wooten vs Les Claypool = tough call
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: jocelyn on August 14, 2008, 08:22:13 pm
Quote from: Klout;198924
sorry I meant commercial/modern hip hop.
I know it didnt start right off with ghetto people trying to keep it real, get a deal, and blow up.
The fact that it started with DJs throwing down beats at block parties in harlem then progressed from there with MCs adding lyrics about whatever > battling > whatever else is pretty irrelevant because no one from that era is even talked about in these best ever discussions and back then it was about just having fun, hosting a good party, or some good spirited dissing contests, not making money. All that was pretty much the primer for commercial mainstream hip hop, then there were lots of great early rap groups and it became a nationwide phenomena and yadyada...So anyway... fast forwarding to beginnings of modern, relevant hip hop, that statement is true and.... J A Y is the king.
anyway....no one wants to have the most epic phish show ever debate? I think big cypress has something to say about that.....and the went? dont count him out. and what about a little 94 somethin smoenthin?
I don\'t think this is the correct thread for the Most Epic Phish Show Ever discussion.
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: booztravlr on August 14, 2008, 01:19:29 pm
How about Falco (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGEEBUupVAw) vs Vanilla Ice (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp-is6S_b_g)?
Or Devo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPzzvcYYugE) vs Kraftwerk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXa9tXcMhXQ&feature=related)
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: Klout on August 11, 2008, 08:29:27 pm
sorry I meant commercial/modern hip hop.
I know it didnt start right off with ghetto people trying to keep it real, get a deal, and blow up.
The fact that it started with DJs throwing down beats at block parties in harlem then progressed from there with MCs adding lyrics about whatever > battling > whatever else is pretty irrelevant because no one from that era is even talked about in these best ever discussions and back then it was about just having fun, hosting a good party, or some good spirited dissing contests, not making money. All that was pretty much the primer for commercial mainstream hip hop, then there were lots of great early rap groups and it became a nationwide phenomena and yadyada...So anyway... fast forwarding to beginnings of modern, relevant hip hop, that statement is true and.... J A Y is the king.
anyway....no one wants to have the most epic phish show ever debate? I think big cypress has something to say about that.....and the went? dont count him out. and what about a little 94 somethin smoenthin?
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: Wolfman on August 11, 2008, 07:58:01 pm
Quote from: Klout;198724
That said, rap was originally about brining black street culture to the masses in a fun and profitable manner.
:doh: OOF, definitely NOT true. Need to go back and review some history my man. Try reading Can\'t Stop Won\'t Stop or watching Style Wars for starters. Granted, the period you mention definitely has happened, but if you break down all of hiphop history into 100 chapters this would happen around chapter 40. So yes, it\'s been that way for a while now, but you can\'t say Jigga is the king of rap because he embodies what it was originally about, that **** is wack yo. He embodies what it is like NOW, that\'s why he\'s so good and so successful... and why Biggie would smoke his ass like chronic straight off tha tree.
Yeeeeeeah boy!
In other related matters, Chemical Brothers own Crystal Method, Prodigy, and Daft Punk!
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: Klout on August 11, 2008, 07:09:23 pm
Most Epic phish show ever:
12-31-95
Hands down.
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: Igziabeher on August 10, 2008, 01:59:50 am
Quote from: delfunk1;198755
jay-z\'s first album "reasonable doubt" :thumbsup everything else since then has progressively more and more medicore
^^thank you.
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: Kaliguitar on August 09, 2008, 09:39:54 pm
Quote from: Klout;198724
That said, rap was originally about brining black street culture to the masses in a fun and profitable manner. And jigga is definitely the undisputed champ of that. So how can anyone else be the true king of rap?
Actually Rap was originally a Jamacian art form where a DJ would "toast" or talk over a previously recorded track. It start out as "dissing" each others DJ gear and sound systems and developed into a a deeper art form. As these artist imigrated to places like NYC the art form changed and the lyric content started to reflect the surrounding culture.
Just a short history lesson from a music teacher.
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: delfunk1 on August 09, 2008, 09:22:25 pm
jay-z\'s first album "reasonable doubt" :thumbsup everything else since then has progressively more and more medicore, with the exception to the mtv unplugged thing he did with the roots.
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: boombox on August 09, 2008, 06:21:29 pm
Rick Wakeman vs Keith Emerson?
A no-brainer for me, but Emerson is just about the only other keyboard player I could think of vaguely in the same league as Rubber-fingered Rick.
However, in just pure Hammond playing in a rock genre only, I\'d place Vincent Crane, and then Jon Lord, over Emerson.
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: Vassillios on August 08, 2008, 06:25:28 pm
dmx v ja rule dre v snoop eminem v slug
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: Klout on August 08, 2008, 05:18:53 pm
yes the classic argument for those two over jay is he has less substance/poeticness to his lyrics. Tupac prolly deffinitly has the edge over both here but I think the substance is there in near equal amounts for jigga but its just less obvious. He doesnt come right out and say it (too hard for that) but the deeper meaning is there. Just gotta look a little harder. He is so slick and flashy though that a lot of people miss the deeper meaning of his stuff all together.
Motherfuckers - say that I\'m foolish, I only talk about jewels Do you fools listen to music or do you just skim through it?
That said, rap was originally about brining black street culture to the masses in a fun and profitable manner. And jigga is definitely the undisputed champ of that. So how can anyone else be the true king of rap?
And YES. If I had a choice of never listening to all the Jay-z albums or all Tupac and Biggie albums combined I choose Jay-Z without even a second of hesitation.
[FONT="]plus biggie and tu[/FONT][FONT="]pac never came out in BK with the [/FONT][FONT="]phish or did MTV un[/FONT][FONT="]plugged or sung about sour diesel or referred to themselves as ra[/FONT][FONT="]ps grateful dead or had a remiz to grateful dead beats. Jay-Z is uber heady ;) [/FONT]
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: Wolfman on August 08, 2008, 04:38:11 pm
You can defintiely make the case for Jay-Z over Biggie or Tupac. (Not both Biggie and Tupac combined, that\'s being quite facetious.) The proper battle is Jay-Z vs. Puffy, and you must consider not only music that they perform in (huge edge Jay-Z) but also for overall accomplishment in production, bringing along new artists etc. (Close battle there.) I think Biggie or Tupac are more important rappers than Jay-Z. Their songs meant a lot to a lot of people, Jay-Zs stuff is a lot of fun to listen and dance to but doesn\'t strike as deep or as often. Jay-Z can step right up to Biggie or Tupac for persona and would crush both of them for overall accomplishment inside and outside of the studio, but he\'s not quite on their level for poetic skill or verbal delivery and is a significant level lower from them for importance. I like Biggie and Tupac a little more than Jay-Z probably just because they come from a better era of hip-hop, but if you want to make the case for Jay-Z it\'s certainly there to be made.
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: Klout on August 08, 2008, 11:48:18 am
agreed.
94 > on disc
< on personal significance
overall the experience of bfast in 2005 was one of the best times of my life so that trumps out merely listening to anything on cd no matter how ill it is.
so for me, overall, 2005 bfast > 1994 phish
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: zuke583 on August 08, 2008, 11:40:06 am
Quote from: Klout;198685
Zuke did you see any phish shows in 94? I didn\'t , So I would have to go with 2005 breakfast.
come now, that logic is just silly. but if that\'s our line of reasoning, then \'94 phish on disc > \'05 breakfast on disc
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: Klout on August 08, 2008, 11:21:26 am
they 94 body of work is more impressive, not denying that, but personally, 2005 bfast all the way.
Best phish in my mind:
december \'95 \'94 \'96 rest of \'95 Fall \'97 \'91-\'93 rest of \'97 \'98-\'99 2003 everything else coventry
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: FrankZappa on August 08, 2008, 11:09:21 am
Quote from: zuke583;198682
i\'ll answer for you: \'94 phish
I didn\'t see any of the 94 tour either but you can\'t argue with the recordings.
How about phish summer 91 tour with the horns vs all of 92 vs all of 93 vs fall 97?
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: Klout on August 08, 2008, 11:00:45 am
Zuke did you see any phish shows in 94? I didn\'t , So I would have to go with 2005 breakfast.
\'95 is a whole different story though ;)
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: zuke583 on August 08, 2008, 10:56:41 am
Quote from: Vassillios;198675
Quote from: Drew_Kingsley;198674
The Breakfast vs. Phish
(I have the feeling that I am going to regret posting this... but I think it could be a good question if everybody thinks about it before they respond.)
How about \'94 Phish v. \'05 Breakfast?
**** i dont even know if i can answer that
i\'ll answer for you: \'94 phish
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: Klout on August 08, 2008, 10:37:19 am
Quote from: Vassillios;198675
only the creative, melodic, thought provoking lyrical kind (underground) that many of you naysayers have not heard.
I like a lot underground stuff but even some of that is even more wack and bullshit than lil wayne or whoever in the main stream.....i.e.....immortal technique...."its all a conspiracy, everyone is plotting against me..kill george bush, kill kill kill the white man, burn the constitution, I\'m a not a rapper I\'m a revolutionary leader, extreme anger and violence are cool and acceptable if they are for some wacko delusional cause"...
:fucktard:
totally down with the positive underground though
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: Vassillios on August 08, 2008, 10:31:02 am
Hip hop WAS the new music of a generation, but like NAS says, hip hop is dead. It\'s slowly declining, making way for whatever will be the next big thing. I am a hip hop fan, definitely, but only the creative, melodic, thought provoking lyrical kind (underground) that many of you naysayers have not heard. Mainstream rap is awful, i think we can all agree on that. But many of the good MCs are able to play with a live band at their shows which is cool, and for that I give them plenty of respect.
I read an article in Relix how the Roots are trying to be the "black phish." And I gotta say, they are awesome live.
Quote from: Drew_Kingsley;198674
The Breakfast vs. Phish
(I have the feeling that I am going to regret posting this... but I think it could be a good question if everybody thinks about it before they respond.)
How about \'94 Phish v. \'05 Breakfast?
**** i dont even know if i can answer that
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on August 08, 2008, 10:28:46 am
The Breakfast vs. Phish
(I have the feeling that I am going to regret posting this... but I think it could be a good question if everybody thinks about it before they respond.)
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: Klout on August 08, 2008, 10:22:16 am
we\'ve had this discussion before holly. still ser. Reasonable doubt, blue print, blue print 2.0 the gift and the curse, dynatsy, voume 1 volume 2 volume 3 all classics.
Best flow, best lyrics, best beats, best mix of street and pop, most flashy, most ballin, realest, most ****, jiggiest mofo in the game.
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: zuke583 on August 08, 2008, 10:21:14 am
Quote from: Yoda;198670
Quote from: zuke583;198667
biggie > dylan
:wah:
how about aerosmith vs. bon jovi
I think a more apropriate one would be
Springsteen vs. Bon Jove (Bruce by a mile)
should have specified...
worst band ever that\'s somehow really popular: aerosmith vs. bon jovi
i don\'t like bruce, but i can at least respect what he does...not so much with those two
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: Yoda on August 08, 2008, 10:00:27 am
Quote from: zuke583;198667
biggie > dylan
:wah:
how about aerosmith vs. bon jovi
I think a more apropriate one would be
Springsteen vs. Bon Jove (Bruce by a mile)
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: zuke583 on August 08, 2008, 09:46:03 am
biggie > dylan
:wah:
how about aerosmith vs. bon jovi
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: Mamalakabubadaya on August 08, 2008, 09:32:11 am
Quote from: Klout;198640
jay-z is better than biggie and tupac combined
you can\'t be ser.
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: Klout on August 07, 2008, 10:51:11 pm
jay-z is better than biggie and tupac combined
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: skalnbyc on August 07, 2008, 07:12:16 pm
Quote from: boombox;198625
Some of these showdowns are quite interesting to think about, but not all are IMHO worth the effort. I didn\'t like rap when it first started making headway and I don\'t like it now - not enough melody, too much posturing and concern for image, too much racism, too much violence associated with its "stars" and above all, I can\'t stand the monotonous delivery and lack of groove... I can manage some of the Beasties in small doses and some of Franti\'s stuff is good, but that\'s as far as I go..
I think hiphop is getting pretty frickin\' stale. The only way I\'d listen to any of the new stuff is if there was a real band making real music (and they do exist and I do like a few).
One other thought to add: most "songs" are ripped off samples of older tunes with some douchey thug rhyming over about bitties, blunts, cars, cribs, colts and other miscellaneous lines of empty self-promotion. A lot of the people who listen to hiphop don\'t even listen to the lyrics, as they are more more enamored with the catchy sample (which can be Motown, pop, heck even Steely Dan has been used) which they often do not know the origin of.
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: boombox on August 07, 2008, 06:51:42 pm
Quote from: Yoda;198622
I commented on my personal taste. I can\'t stand Rap or Hip Hop. So sue me if I\'m not up on modern music.
With you on that one I am - alone, you are not, my small wizened friend.
Some of these showdowns are quite interesting to think about, but not all are IMHO worth the effort. I didn\'t like rap when it first started making headway and I don\'t like it now - not enough melody, too much posturing and concern for image, too much racism, too much violence associated with its "stars" and above all, I can\'t stand the monotonous delivery and lack of groove... I can manage some of the Beasties in small doses and some of Franti\'s stuff is good, but that\'s as far as I go.
And "voice of the people?" - not this guy here. Sorry wolfman, but if I want apposite political and social comment, give me 60s Bobby Zimmerman or any era Paul Kantner or Country Joe. They know what\'s what and can still write a damn good tune to express themselves, rather than hijacking others\' work and ruining it by looping it and droning on almost indistinguishable caca over the top.
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: Yoda on August 07, 2008, 06:06:20 pm
I commented on my personal taste. I can\'t stand Rap or Hip Hop. So sue me if I\'m not up on modern music.
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: Wolfman on August 07, 2008, 05:17:59 pm
Quote from: ds673488;198609
the breakfast vs. RAQ :duck:
I knew that was coming, since it\'s been beaten to death on this board over the years I left it out of the original post.
Quote from: Kaliguitar;198519
Stones Zep GD Pearl Miles Who cares Who cares Beethoven maiden Moe Rush Crue
Who cares about Biggie v. Tupac and Sugarhill v. Furious Five?!?!?! Like a billion people! Hip-hop is the voice of the people for the past 20 years! Rock held that title when it was fresh and new in the 60s and 70s, but Nickelback and Linkin Park (another battle for you) aren\'t exactly causing any stuffy politicos to suggest banning their music.
Tupac is the better poet but Biggie had more style. Not that either guy was lacking in either department, I mean, we\'re talking Tupac\'s 10 for lyrics vs. Biggie\'s 9.5, and Biggie\'s 10 for style vs. Tupac\'s 9. I give the edge to Biggie, he\'s the Babe Ruth of hiphop, he just is.
Also, Furious 5 mop the floor with Sugarhill Gang. This one\'s not close enough to justify an analysis IMO. If you listen to each catalog even one time through it\'s pretty obvious that the Furious 5 had way more style and innovation.
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: ds673488 on August 07, 2008, 04:59:28 pm
the breakfast vs. RAQ :duck:
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on August 07, 2008, 04:12:34 pm
Quote
Deuce v. Real Radio
For me,this one depends on how the question is defined. I like Real Radio better as an album, but I like the song selection on Deuce more by a landslide (w/ no disrespect to Scheme and Gravity).
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: FrankZappa on August 07, 2008, 03:52:38 pm
everyone\'s going to pick Beethoven but bach is just as good. Still, the styles are completely different. Bach wrote very straight forward and directly on the beat rhythms with sophisticated syncopations. Not to say that Ludwig didn\'t, but many of Bachs pieces were written for one person to preform on a multi-keyboarded organ with footpedals and require a very advance sence of rhythm to preform. Not that beethoven didn\'t write hard to play passages and entire pieces, but he wrote more for larger orchestra, quartets, quintets, solo piano, etc. In each case Beethovens brilliance comes from getting many people to play together to make a united piece larger than it\'s parts. i.e., the individual isn\'t working nearly as hard as they are in some of bach\'s works. And in the case of the solo piano pieces, it\'s just one keyboard, not 4+ working in rounds.
A better comparison would be motzart to beethoven, or listz to bach.
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: Igziabeher on August 07, 2008, 03:38:08 pm
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: boombox on August 07, 2008, 08:41:26 am
Quote from: bezerker;198531
Quote from: Lexington;198526
^^^^thanks, i didn\'t want to be the one to say it
should be a common fact .firmed
doubly so IMHO!!
Even if you discount early 80s Yes, which was not their finest hour, the fact that Rush started a slow slide with Power Windows, from which they never recovered, puts Yes way out in front.
And I wonder if I\'ll be the only one to rate sci over moe - true, they lost the plot a little with the over-reliance on techno at the end, but at least they were trying new material - moe.\'s setlist have been stagnant for years.
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: Yoda on August 07, 2008, 08:38:06 am
Quote from: Wolfman;198510
OK, here\'s a shitstorm thread that needs to happen!
Discuss all classic band v. band matchups, or come up with new ones. Half the discussion could be whether two bands even warrant discussion against each other. Album v. album is also OK too.
Some classics:
Beatles v. Stones Beatles Led Zep v. The Who The Who - mainly because I can listen to Daltrey 24/7; after so long, Plant\'s voice starts to wear on me. Phish v. Grateful Dead Tough call, but I have to go with the Dead Nirvana v. Pearl Jam Pearl Jam Miles v. Coltrane Don\'t know enough about them to comment, but I enjoy both of them Biggie v. 2Pac I don\'t like rap, so I think they both suck Sugarhill Gang v. Grandmaster Flash and the Furious FiveDon\'t know enough about them to comment Beethoven v. BachI enjoy both of them equally
Some reaches: Tool v. Iron Maiden Maiden SCI v. moe. Who cares Rush v. Yes Rush Motley Crue v. Poison The Crue
Some albums: (same band) Houses of the Holy v. Led Zep IV IV Rift v. Junta Junta White Album v. Sgt. Pepper\'s Sgt. Pepper Deuce v. Real Radio Deuce
(different band) The Wall v. Tommy Tommy - they\'re both great albums, but I don\'t want to slit my wrists after I listen to Tommy.
Curtis v. Graduation
What about Hendrix v. Clapton Lennon v/ McCartney Sgt. Pepper v. Pet Sounds Pet Sounds v. Smile PF w/out Roger v. Roger solo
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: bezerker on August 07, 2008, 01:46:07 am
Quote from: Lexington;198526
^^^^thanks, i didn\'t want to be the one to say it
should be a common fact .firmed
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: Lexington on August 07, 2008, 01:13:37 am
^^^^thanks, i didn\'t want to be the one to say it
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: bezerker on August 07, 2008, 01:06:11 am
ok for one thing, YES owns rush
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: Lexington on August 07, 2008, 12:37:33 am
no way! houses of holy Sgt Pep Duece
and bach!
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: Kaliguitar on August 07, 2008, 12:10:49 am
Stones Zep GD Pearl Miles Who cares Who cares Beethoven maiden Moe Rush Crue
IV Rift white RR Tommy
+ Pat Metheny VS John Scofield
Metheny
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: ChrisF on August 07, 2008, 12:08:04 am
hey wolfman, why dont u do it up like the tournament of tunes only with bands?? it would probably get pretty outta control.
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: postom on August 07, 2008, 12:03:08 am
i\'ll cast my vote after seeing poison tomorrow night.
and ugh, don\'t put that fluffy bullshit up against moe., even as a stretch :-P
Title: The Band Rivalry Throwdown Thread
Post by: Wolfman on August 06, 2008, 11:03:14 pm
OK, here\'s a shitstorm thread that needs to happen!
Discuss all classic band v. band matchups, or come up with new ones. Half the discussion could be whether two bands even warrant discussion against each other. Album v. album is also OK too.
Some classics:
Beatles v. Stones Led Zep v. The Who Phish v. Grateful Dead Nirvana v. Pearl Jam Miles v. Coltrane Biggie v. 2Pac Sugarhill Gang v. Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five Beethoven v. Bach
Some reaches: Tool v. Iron Maiden SCI v. moe. Rush v. Yes Motley Crue v. Poison
Some albums: (same band) Houses of the Holy v. Led Zep IV Rift v. Junta White Album v. Sgt. Pepper\'s Deuce v. Real Radio
(different band) The Wall v. Tommy Curtis v. Graduation