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General Discussions => Spunk => Topic started by: leith on June 25, 2008, 01:18:45 pm
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You do live in Sketchville.
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Well I went in yesterday to find out that the Officers assigned to the Grandstand Concert area have been told not to question anyone carrying an ALL ACCESS pass and the officers involved in our little incident have been reassigned.
Leith fought the law....and the Leith won. SF cops will definitely not **** with you this weekend.
Sidenote: I really like the cops in Oakland, there are way too many criminals for them to **** with anyone who doesn\'t deserve it.
I got to wake up to a takedown at 1:45am this morning. Cops pointing guns at a thug after a police chase that ended outside my window. Pretty cool. 3rd night of action outside this week. Sunday night there was a brush fire from an errant cigarette butt, Tuesday was a fugutive hunt complete with helicopter....can\'t wait for tonight!!
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Well I went in yesterday to find out that the Officers assigned to the Grandstand Concert area have been told not to question anyone carrying an ALL ACCESS pass and the officers involved in our little incident have been reassigned.
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keep in mind most of the entries in this thread come from people who break the law almost every day of their lives :duck:
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I kind of think of it like this:
We are somewhat like "customers" to cops, always bitching, moaning, and complaining and never really thanking them for the work they do.
Plus, there are some people who are generally sick **** and out to mess up society. Cops, not being mind readers, logically assume (for their own safety) that everyone is a sick ****, or at the very least a pissy customer.
Unlike us and having to take it when some guy being a **** about his apples not being organic, they can actually forcefully stop him from being a **** and get back to their real job of protecting us from the sick ****.
So I try to be as polite and helpful as possible, while bearing in mind the fact that I don\'t have to communicate with cop any more than required.
This strategy has worked 4 out of 5 times I\'ve had encounters with the fuzz.
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i\'m gonna play devils advocate just for a second. by no means am i taking any sides.....it\'s just that some times i think people forget that cops are CONSTANTLY getting every scam known to man along with a couple of new ones a day, thrown at them. i believe in many cases that their callous and/or aggressive attitudes are a necessary self protective thing that the rest of us cain\'t begin to understand the need for. in my job, many places that i go, i\'m "the man" all of a sudden (go figure) and i have to detach myself in order to function properly. it\'s not an easy job is all i\'m saying. so maybe if your light rig screws up one night, none of us will call you an **** for it, we\'ll just chalk it up to a bad day. maybe stopping back later and making peace would have been the play. ;)
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Yeah, rather than outwardly expressing my feelings towards authority figures, i find it much more fun and engaging to more or less manipulate the situation so that they end up believing they\'re on my side.
Just a couple weeks ago, i got pulled over for going 98 in a 55. The cop was a gigantic, power trippy schmuck who flexed every muscle in his body as he walked over to my car, where he spoke to me in a sinister, monotone voice. Seriously, it was just short of him positioning my rearview mirror so that he could admire himself. In any event, by the end of the encounter, I left with a cell phone ticket, (oh goodness, officer, I\'m so sorry, I\'ll go buy a hands free device RIGHT NOW!), and he left with his ego intact. win/win.
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Well I grew up with a step father who was a cop and my mother actually worked for the O.C. Sheriff\'s Office as a reserve officer. My Mom never went out on Patrol and was a pencil pusher but my stepfather was as **** crooked as they come and was out all the time. He and the cops he was involved with definitely helped form my **** the police attitude.
Sure I have met a cool cop here and there but for the most part they are not to be trusted and not out to serve and protect. I find this to be true in most of the cities I have lived in and even in the backwoods of Arkansas where my Mom lives.
Even in interactions I have had with cops supposedly helping I have found them to be confrontational and condescending.
The thing is I am very vocal about mine and others rights and have had numerous run ins with Police over their tactics and have never ended up in jail for them because due to my size I am considered for many to be non threatening and because I do know my rights never cross a line they can easily draw up afterward.
Like last night I told the cop **** you near him and not within earshot of the perimeter crowd. All he could do was take it as it was one on one and you can say anything you want to another person as long as you are not threatening them.
Cops have to be the ones to be the level head if doing their job correctly. Yeah I may have pushed them verbally a bit because I was pissed but if they were doing their job correctly they would not have gotten all bent and things would have gone smoother.
They also put hands on me and once I brought it to the crowd\'s attention it was funny how quickly they let go as I was obviously not a problem for them to be grabbing me as they were.
I think I do walk a very thin line sometimes but I really don\'t care and will continue to **** with cops any chance I get when I see them abusing their power.
Please write if I end up in jail. TIA
Cops hate flannel
Believe it or not I was not wearing a flannel.
:holyshit::jawdrop:
I just received a Jambase email notification for an upcoming Moonalice show.
I almost mistook G.E. Smith for Leith in the photo - same long blonde hair and a flannel.
Yeah I got ribbed hard hanging out with "Dad" while on tour.
As a matter of fact hanging outside of Toad\'s a dude came by on his bike and said " Hey great show man." I laughed and was like okay? He looked at me again and mumbled something else, laughed and rode off. I can\'t remember who was with me but we looked at each other like WTF?. It wasn\'t until a couple hours later while recounting the story to someone did it occur to me what had happened.
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Cops hate flannel
Believe it or not I was not wearing a flannel.
:holyshit::jawdrop:
I just received a Jambase email notification for an upcoming Moonalice show.
I almost mistook G.E. Smith for Leith in the photo - same long blonde hair and a flannel.
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i got to speak with a man who shot and killed a 74-year-old grandmother for looking at him "the wrong way" in arraignments the other day
There are some disgusting criminals out there. Mark had to go to Nevada two weeks ago to extradite a fugitive who had **** his six year old DAUGHTER. Sick sick sick world.
They do not have to read you your miranda rights for it to be admissible.
You are correct. Many people don\'t realize this. They think it has to be like on TV.
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"I will be the first to say, cops can go on power trips.
But also, at the same time i must advise, just do what they say. If they say stop, stop. If they say talk, talk. Mouthing off is like an open invitation for them to **** with you. Usually if you calmly cooperate with them, things will go alright....normally...."
I agree with you up to the part about talking.
You do NOT have to talk to the police. Anything you say CAN and WILL be used against you in a court of law. They do not have to read you your miranda rights for it to be admissible. The 5th ammendment protects you from self incrimination and you should use it if you are ever in a situation where you are being questioned by the police. They are not your friends, they are trying to gather evidence for an arrest / prosecution. Do not ever forget this. Staying quiet, not answering questions is your right as an American. If arrested ask to speak with an attorney. Do not fall for that "tells us what we want to know and we will go easy on you" BS. The police have no authority to make deals etc. That is what the district attorneys do.
Always best to simply avoid them if you can. If you have to have an interaction with the police be polite, do not touch them and above all else remember you HAVE to only obey LAWFUL orders.
Mouthing off to cops is not against the law but as they tend to not like their authority questioned, regardless as to how stupid they might be, caveat emptor
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damn leith... i\'m sorry to hear about what happened to you.
i\'ve been doing criminal defense investigation in ny for the last month and it\'s been insane to see SO many cases with people in jail on ridiculous charges simply due to overzealous police who got pissed off.
cops are people just like everyone else in that they are just as capable of having big egos, being judgmental, and making stupid decisions.
unfortunately, from what i\'ve seen, mouthing off to cops definitely does not help! so please refrain from that if you can since i don\'t think you would do very well in jail ;) i\'m glad that you were lucky to not have had things go any further than they did the other night. sucks that we are expected to bow down when many of us have really done no wrong.
not that i\'ve become some bleeding heart for all people committing crimes/violent criminals after seeing what i\'ve seen (i got to speak with a man who shot and killed a 74-year-old grandmother for looking at him "the wrong way" in arraignments the other day), but there is often some fabrication and exaggeration on the police end.
there are definitely good cops out there, but obviously some room for corruption.
Wow. police are supposed to protect the innocent, not hassle them!
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well put! that was my point. I just said it poorly.
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i am glad there is no cops at breakfast shows
Ummmm, yeah.....just once in awhile one......he just doesnt look like one....
I will be the first to say, cops can go on power trips.
But also, at the same time i must advise, just do what they say. If they say stop, stop. If they say talk, talk. Mouthing off is like an open invitation for them to **** with you. Usually if you calmly cooperate with them, things will go alright....normally....
Sorry that happened to you, leith. unfortunately, cops like those give the rest of the hardworking-risking their lives guys a bad rep. Just remember its a small percentage. There are plenty of guys who would risk their lives to save yours. But we never talk about those guys.
Sorry for being so protective of the man in blue. I am just really proud of the work the ones I know and love do. Many times i don\'t agree with their method.... I know there are bad cops, i\'ve seen and heard stories, but i wish the ones that deserve the props got them... i wish many of you would keep an open mind, the same open mind you wish they had.
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i am glad there is no cops at breakfast shows
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you have to either be extremely nice, or kill them
nothing in between works
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In my experience being nice to cops just leads to being arrested anyway.
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Let\'s be honest here - cops have a lot of power and a lot of responsibility - most of which, I would never want to have. That being said, there are a lot of cops that take their jobs (themselves) to seriously. But regardless, they have the power to make life difficult for you if you decide to mouth off to them.
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ooh........
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A group and I had problems with unreasonable cops at a campground just a few weekends ago. We were drinking and playing a board game (pretty innocent stuff) and they came upon the campsite due to excessive noise. They could have just asked us to be observant of the noise policy and be on their way, but kept hovering around us for like 5 minutes almost as if to provoke an incident. They told a girl to put her cigarette out and told us to disperse and go to bed. I ask them if they are gonna tuck us in for the night since we can\'t seem to be trusted to stay awake any longer, the girl starts arguing with the **** cop as to why she can\'t smoke if it\'s not against the policy, and another guy is challenging another cop a bit and had to be pulled away from them. Totally unreasonable crap.
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Cops hate flannel
Believe it or not I was not wearing a flannel.
:holyshit::jawdrop:
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leith power!!
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Cops hate flannel
Believe it or not I was not wearing a flannel.
As a matter of fact I had forgotten it and was quite bummed as it gets a bit chilly with the ocean breeze right there.
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Cops hate flannel
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yeah def a good idea to keep polite and reserved...theres nothing a cop hates more than to feel like you are ARE NOT SUBSERVIENT TO THEIR AUTHORITY.
Fixed that for you.
Good on you Leith for not taking any of their BS. But I\'m glad you didn\'t get rolled / tazered
Thanks. When I am working and have the proper credentials I don\'t give a damn who you are, I have a job to do and have been authorized to do it. Let me do it. That\'s why the pass is ALL ACCESS and not SOME ACCESS.
I can totally see how the cops got all butt hurt that I just flashed my pass and blew them off. That\'s how you do it though and these rodeo clowns had no clue how to deal.
cops can be serious dicks when they are in uniform or around a bunch of other cops but for the most part (the ones I\'ve hung out with at least) are pretty cools guys. and being nice dosen\'t help all the time some of these guys have a serious power trip problem and no matter what we\'re wrong.
That\'s all it was. One cop got bent I blew him off and he started power trippin\'.
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cops can be serious dicks when they are in uniform or around a bunch of other cops but for the most part (the ones I\'ve hung out with at least) are pretty cools guys. and being nice dosen\'t help all the time some of these guys have a serious power trip problem and no matter what we\'re wrong.
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yeah def a good idea to keep polite and reserved...theres nothing a cop hates more than to feel like you are ARE NOT SUBSERVIENT TO THEIR AUTHORITY.
Fixed that for you.
Good on you Leith for not taking any of their BS. But I\'m glad you didn\'t get rolled / tazered
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yeah def a good idea to keep polite and reserved...theres nothing a cop hates more than to feel like you are trying to outsmart/outargue/insult him/her.
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Wow. police are supposed to protect the innocent, not hassle them! :( Sorry to hear the sorry chip news...
:lol: it\'s awesome that you called them **** idiots, though!
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sounds like quite a bit of rousting going on
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unfortunately with cops if you act like a dick you will be treated like a dick. Even when you are right it is best to hold your tongue. sounds like you got off easy. Your lucky you didn\'t end up arrested or worse, beaten up.
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sounds like fun, sorry to hear about that
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Last night after running Third World, I was making my way back to the stage and decided to jump a rail to a walk path for working to avoid the crowd. So I show my pass to a security girl and tell her what I am going to do. She says ok and I jump over.
I proceed to walk along and a cop tries to stop me and I show my pass and keep going. Guess he could not read. He grabs me and asks where I\'m going. I point to my pass and wrench my arm from his grasp. He tries to grab me again and I tell him he better keep his hands to himself. Well he tries to again and I just start walking away. So of course there is like 4 cops all of a sudden around me asking the one cop what was going on and all the guy says is he jumped the fence.
So they proceed to start rousting me and I start yelling "look at this I\'m an employee and look what these guys are doing". So the crowd nearby starts yelling and the cops let go. They walk me over to a side of the bleachers and all this time they are yelling and just being stupid. I am continually showing my pass.
I call my boss backstage and he does not answer so I tell the cops "Look I have to get back to work and if you guys would just stop being **** idiots this would be over." So the first cop says "what did you say?" and I say "You heard me" and proceeded to walk away. I hear a cop ask that cop "what did he say?" the first cop says" **** idiots". Well the first cop gets in front of me and I say "what? you going to arrest me for assault? **** you".
So he pulls out his notepad and starts writing and another cop that had been only semi idiotic comes up and says " Come with me" leads me towards the backstage and says "just don\'t jump rails anymore". So I head backstage and yell at my boss that I just got rousted by cops and he asks me to point them out and walk away which I do. He comes back and says" OK just don\'t jump rails anymore because those guys are just like a pack of dogs and just react." I\'m like no ****!
He let me know that he explained once you see the blue ALL ACCESS pass you let that person through and they understood hopefully.
So after all that I headed straight downtown and caught the 2nd set of WSP!
Crazy night!