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Breakfast Babble => The Grand Scheme Of Things => Topic started by: leith on June 19, 2008, 11:30:10 am
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It\'s only been floated about. The thing I am happy about is that it is even being discussed.
As for Alexi noticing people voting for where they are from well I can\'t help I live in a kickass State that has so many options for the band.
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Are they really considering a move? Making inroads with TLG and Thatgirl voting for CA could point in that direction.
If they are gonna move and try to start a new base, they\'d have to do so with a renewed sense of vigor and urgency. Slipping off the clown shoes, taking down the mouse ears and creating a well-oiled machine would be in order (same deal if they are to stay in CT - a solid business and a band that tours at all opportunities) - Moving alone and leaving all aspects of the business affairs the same may yield the same results. If anything CA is much harder to adjust to due to the cost of living and will require fewer late nights and more 9-5 business dealings.
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although if they moved to CO they would be a lot more central and be able to hit up all areas of the country within a semi reasonable drive and have a good home base. I think CO would be better than cali. cali has the same problem as the east coast, its too far removed from the other side of the country
If by central you mean a 12 hour drive to get ANYWHERE. I mean I love CO but holy crap, that\'s literally $500 roundtrip in gas to play anywhere besides the little CO mountain towns. That\'s like, what, half the gig money? Ouch.
In other news, I voted for Colorado in the poll for no reason. My vote is still England.
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Id be heartbroken and pissed off if the band moved to cali and came east as rarely as they visit cali now
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relocate to wyoming or willimantic, i say
this is probably the least constructive post in the thread. sorry everybody, feel free to delete it, davepeck
i am noticing that every one wants the band to move where they are at. wyoming or willi it is!
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i say nowhere.
i agree with nonstop touring.
booking a bazillion shows every weekend in new england means i miss 75% of shows in the area, and that\'s poopy.
but when there is a long tour it\'s much easier to get the night off for the big homecoming.
also, play escher\'s 3,4 every night.
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When comparing CA vs. CO, keep in mind CA has 10 times more people to play for. Outside of a few major towns in CO, it\'s pretty desolate in the Rockies. CA has so many cities dotting the coast that could be receptive to The Breakfast. There is a lot of appreciation for music and there are lots of music festivals all the time (aside from all the jamband festivals that you\'ll read about).
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Move to Asbury Park - it worked for Bruce!
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they should relocate to Old Saybrook. it\'s nice.
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Haha Jenny is the only one who voted for chicago.
keep dreamin girl.
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the answer is and has been more touring
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The sit in with Vinnie was nice because that make jambands.com do a small writeup that mentioned the midwest shows. Hopefully with the TLG shows, they play together which will definetly deserve another writeup by them
do a search of "the breakfast" at jambands.com, and it reads like a sad, sad novel.
that being said; t00r
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although if they moved to CO they would be a lot more central and be able to hit up all areas of the country within a semi reasonable drive and have a good home base. I think CO would be better than cali. cali has the same problem as the east coast, its too far removed from the other side of the country
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The sit in with Vinnie was nice because that make jambands.com do a small writeup that mentioned the midwest shows. Hopefully with the TLG shows, they play together which will definetly deserve another writeup by them
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I think the idea of leaving northeast is overrated. There is more existing ****, and casual fans here and the there is just as much or probably more potential new fans here as anywhere else so I don;t really see the logic in it if your looking at strictly from a business standpoint.
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you know what would really help the band? being in relix magazine... or being invited into the Sirius 17 jam_on studio... or making a SICK NEW ALBUM (which i predict we will be seeing soon since all these new songs are being written)
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wookies are either really awesome to be around, or really really annoying. theres never anything in the middle.
back to the discussion...
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they should tour the schnot outta europe tho. i\'d go, **** it
Relocate or don\'t... it\'s all speculation whether it would make a difference. But...
People for a Breakfast tour of Europe UNITE!!!
**** the weak dollar, I\'d go in a heart beat.
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I just don\'t think putting the future of the Breakfast into the hands of Bisco Kidzz is a good idea.
LMAO
:disco:
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the answer is and has been more touring
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kerrygold swiss is hag. finlandia baby!!
they should tour the schnot outta europe tho. i\'d go, **** it
good music that doesn\'t catch on in the US is often enjoyed greatly by the euporeans.
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New Haven is not far from NYC or Boston, and probably has lower living expenses, rent etc. Philly and Burlington, Upstate NY are all not too far either. I would agree with jKing, they just need to tour more. And hit the same markets multiple times a year.
Their target audience I also do not think is particularly the "heady" crowd. who gives a **** what w00kies think? Most Bfast fans that I have run into are not tour rats but pretty regular people with exquisite taste. Sure there is a crossover of fans from UM, Moe., Bisco etc. the Breakfast need extend out of this market IMO. Not all people interested in the Breakfast listen to these bands. Tea Leaf Green was mentioned, aren\'t they opening for them soon? I feel like less TLG fans "know of" the breakfast than Bisco/UM etc. I just don\'t think putting the future of the Breakfast into the hands of Bisco Kidzz is a good idea.
I think Wolfman has had the best idea yet. If not relocate to England do a tour there, hit up a bunch of cities a number of times quickly. This could also been done in Japan, and people go apeshit over tunes over there. and then when people ask you "who are the breakfast" you can say "they\'re huge in japan"
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i\'ve heard some talk about band members and a few others involved wanting to move things out west to california...
i\'m kinda torn as to where they would have more success IF they were to relocate. (cali or colorado)
at this point, i guess it would be best to stay put...
the Breakfast should definetly do a lengthy college tour with free cd/tshirt/poster giveaways. THat is an amazing market to tap into. The marketing department is snoozing big time.
:that:
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not for nothing, wolfy, but 1% of the US population is still over 3 million people.
Not for nothing Cobby, but I said 99.99% are not cool, thus .01% (NOT 1%) of the US population is cool which would be in the 30,000 range as opposed to the 3 million range. I\'ve got all my bases covered homeboy.
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not for nothing, wolfy, but 1% of the US population is still over 3 million people.
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i know this has been said about 5000 times, but i still think the issue with this band is its vocals...they just dont seem to make a whole lot of progress. if you look at ANY of the bands in the scene who have made it, they either have pronounced vocals, or they are completely innovative and start a whole nother trend in the music scene (i.e. disco biscuits). unfortunately, the breakfast really dont do either of these things. yeah tey are incredible musicians and their songs kick ass and they can jam their asses off, but the style they do has def been done before, and they dont make up for this with really solid vocals.
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If 10 years of touring the USA has taught us anything it\'s that 99.99% of all Americans are musical pussies and will never get into a band like The Breakfast. Sometimes I\'m not sure it makes any difference how many show they play. They make a world-class product but that doesn\'t mean many people want it. The same can be said for something like Victory Storm King Stout, Kerrygold cheeses, or a painting by Degas. People who know these crafts know that these prodcuts are some of the very best, but most people are never going to get that deep into it where they would go out of their way to find these products. You can promote it all you want, but of everyone you reach, you\'re going to get something like 80% passive awareness, 19% trial, and 1% repeat purchase.
I haven\'t been to England since I was 12 so I really don\'t know, but from what I understand of the beer and music worlds, the baseline taste of the average English citizen seems to be higher than it is here. And it\'s definitely way easier to tour England geographically. So **** it, send The Breakfast to England for 2 years and let\'s see what happens. And with names like Palmieri and and Tromantano in the lineup they\'ll take over Italy faster than Mussolini. How big is Italy, similar size to all of New England probably? They could rock every significant city in the country in 10 days! If they start next year they can probably get a nightly gig at a big club in London for the 2012 Summer Olympics period and then they\'ll be the huge party every night and will blow up worldwide!
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Bisco, moe., Umphreys, etc etc etc etc all do very well around here.
All of these bands have years of national touring under their belts and benefitted tremendously from Phish\'s growth and disappearance.
I agree with a lot of the points you make though...the Breakfast should definetly do a lengthy college tour with free cd/tshirt/poster giveaways. THat is an amazing market to tap into. The marketing department is snoozing big time.
Maybe schools won\'t pay as much, but you have to look at the larger picture here.
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Breakfast is already located in just about the best region a band can be in. There are a surplus of great music markets in a relatively small area. Lots of colleges and therefore budding young potheads who enjoy this kind of music.
Just by word of mouth it seems things are looking up for The Breakfast. They were well known and well respected in my area 6 years ago and then things took a hit when they took "Psychedelic" out of the name. It\'s taken a while to recover but finally I am starting to hear good buzz about the band again.
The Breakfast has a chance to really win over a lot of people in the Northeast this summer. I hope a lot of people go to Up North fest and see them back to back with Umphreys.... UM fans who\'ve been paying little attention to BFast or badmouthing them for the last few years are going to be in for a surprise :D
I would either propose a move to Colorado, which has a "heady" scene that would be very welcoming to the Breakfast or team up with another band around here.
All they have to do is drive up the road to western mass and Vermont.
Their lack of success in this region is certainly not for lack of "heady" kids. Bisco, moe., Umphreys, etc etc etc etc all do very well around here.
Not to mention most dready lot wooks I run into talk **** about Breakfast anyway. Its just no replacement for a JGB tape and a shot in the arm I guess
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I think they should move to England. You can do a solid national tour in 3 weeks. You can play in any city in the country one night and any other city the next night. The people are into good music. They\'d totally PWN the British scene. I say F the USA, it\'s too flippin big especially with these gas prices. No band can really afford to do national tours without colossal radio play first and that\'s not going to happen. Get the Breakfast outta here!
The wolfman has a point.
AND we could all claim to be brit-rock fans! Cloves for life!
Anglophiles
Identification: A dying breed, thank god, since England elected to stop producing relevant music sometime around 1997. Nonetheless, the vast backlog of available UK crap means that the US will never be without its share of irritating Anglophiles. If you can?t spot an Anglophile from his style alone (foppish haircut, Doc Martens, cuffed jeans, peacoat, skinny tie), his true colors will shine through as soon as he opens his mouth: he?ll be determined to flex his affectations at any available moment. Listen for telltale words like ?arse,? ?bollocks,? ?shite,? ?**** (referring to a friend),? and ?Babyshambles.? Also, listen for the key phrase ?oh, you mean American football.? Don?t diss Irvine Welsh in front of him, or he?ll do that little backwards peace-sign thing that apparently constitutes the sad English excuse for a flip-off. Anglophiles are often pathetic in their constant attempts at literate, withering, Morrisseyesque wit, and for this reason they will often come off as pretentious, undereducated nancies (just like Morrissey, as their luck would have it).
Female Anglophiles are the worst of the worst; they combine all the aforementioned qualities with the additional bonus trait of fawning, overzealous fandom for the various gorgeous Jarvises and Crispins that defined Britpop?s heyday with their feminine looks and spasmodic dancing. They are the closest thing the new millennium has to Tiger Beat David Cassidy fans.
Musical Taste: The artistic merit of any band is judged on a simple percentage scale:
From Manchester: 100% artistically credible (unless Oasis)
From London: 90% artistically credible (unless formed before 1977)
From Liverpool: 85% artistically credible
From anywhere else in England: 75% artistically credible
From anywhere in Scotland: 90% artistically credible
From anywhere in Ireland: 65% artistically credible
From anywhere else: 0% artistically credible (unless band pretends to be English)
Other factors contribute, of course: paleness of lead singer; strength of debut album vs. awfulness of sophomore album; banality of one-word band name; cost of guitarist?s vintage Gibson archtop; degree of unpopularity in America; weight of idiotically enthusiastic NME articles, etc.
How to Tame an Anglophile: Offer to light his or her clove with your Union Jack Zippo.
Benefits of Friendship: You might be able to get mildly aroused by a Jarvis Cocker poster if you squint real hard and pretend he?s Kate Moss (and then maybe brain-squint really hard until you can figure out a way to find Kate Moss attractive). Also, you?ll learn how to spell lots of words the ?proper? way.
Drawbacks of Friendship: ?Argh! How can I lend you ten quid if you don?t even know what the **** a quid is? Also, stop calling me ?mate!? What are you, Crocodile Dundee??
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Personally I don\'t think that the B-fast should go to such a place for the same reason why they shouldn\'t be an opening act; they are too good.
That is the same reasoning that keeps them as small as they are. Are the Breakfast very talented? Yes. Musically, do they deserve to headline? Definetly. Can they draw a headling or large crowd worthy of a headling act? Unfortunately, No.
For some reason the Breakfast never really caught on with a lot of people. The fact that they can headline a show at Toad\'s in their own backyard and average only 150-400 people sucks. If you can\'t draw in your backyard then you need to consider greener pastures.
Personally, I would hate to see them go. I love having access to so many quality shows all throughout the year, but for the good of the band a move might be in their best interest...or at the very least getting signed with a different management company. I could be mistaken, but aren\'t their management group based in Colorado? DO they manage any other bands besides bluegrass acts?
I would either propose a move to Colorado, which has a "heady" scene that would be very welcoming to the Breakfast or team up with another band around here. I think the obvious choice would be The Indobox. THey draw relatively well for a smaller act up-and-down the east coast and would be a great complementary act. Of course they won\'t headline every night (or even most nights), but it would be great exposure for them and they would most likely pick up a lot of new fans.
Other than that, i would try to get in with a larger national act. Seems like moe. is slowing down, but Tea Leaf Green or Umphrey\'s would be *Great* choices for them. The Breakfast have been around too long to only have the limited popularity that they do. At this point only drastic changes or thinking are going to help grow this band.
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I say F the USA, it\'s too flippin big especially with these gas prices.
convert the van to run on grease?
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How did Chicago get on the list? Maybe I am not on the up and up, but asides from WaxTrax (which I believe has relocated to Seattle) what major bands/labels are based there?
Coloroda and California are interesting choices because they have large "scenes" already. Personally I don\'t think that the B-fast should go to such a place for the same reason why they shouldn\'t be an opening act; they are too good.
Therefore, I\'d say Boston (because I\'d see more shows), or New York City (because it\'s NYC), or Seattle.
Berlin is a cool place too.
The Breakfast Uber Alles.
Umphrey\'s mcgee is from chicago
they don\'t need to move, they need to tour. i was listening to a morphine interview/show where they mentioned doing 200 shows the previous year. the dj said \'so i guess you\'ll be doing fewer shows this year, then>\' to which sandman replied, \'no no no, we need to get back to all of those places we were so they don\'t forget about us, then we have to get to new places so they can find out about us. we\'ll be doing even more shows this year.\'
of course, they had major label support, but still, the concept is solid. tour, then, when you\'re done with that, tour some more, then for your road break, record, then go tour twice as hard to support the new record. of course, that\'s a lot easier said than done....
i agree with everything here
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I think upstate should be an option too!
there is more playable college towns here than anywhere
ithaca, oneonta, binghamton, albany, utica, cuse, new paltz, rochester, buffalo, canton, g-ville, platsburg, etc.
I don\'t think moving off the east coast is a good idea.
And the chances of them them leaving CT are about 1/1000
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I think they should move to England. You can do a solid national tour in 3 weeks. You can play in any city in the country one night and any other city the next night. The people are into good music. They\'d totally PWN the British scene. I say F the USA, it\'s too flippin big especially with these gas prices. No band can really afford to do national tours without colossal radio play first and that\'s not going to happen. Get the Breakfast outta here!
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this discussion has come up before... and it will end as it did before. the breakfast will most likely NOT move anywhere, but in fact everyone agrees with jking and realize the breakfast just need to tour the entire country, probably a couple times a year. i get sick of seeing northeast shows getting booked. though, of course, if i still lived in the northeast i\'d be psyched
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they don\'t need to move, they need to tour. i was listening to a morphine interview/show where they mentioned doing 200 shows the previous year. the dj said \'so i guess you\'ll be doing fewer shows this year, then>\' to which sandman replied, \'no no no, we need to get back to all of those places we were so they don\'t forget about us, then we have to get to new places so they can find out about us. we\'ll be doing even more shows this year.\'
of course, they had major label support, but still, the concept is solid. tour, then, when you\'re done with that, tour some more, then for your road break, record, then go tour twice as hard to support the new record. of course, that\'s a lot easier said than done....
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How did Chicago get on the list? Maybe I am not on the up and up, but asides from WaxTrax (which I believe has relocated to Seattle) what major bands/labels are based there?
Coloroda and California are interesting choices because they have large "scenes" already. Personally I don\'t think that the B-fast should go to such a place for the same reason why they shouldn\'t be an opening act; they are too good.
Therefore, I\'d say Boston (because I\'d see more shows), or New York City (because it\'s NYC), or Seattle.
Berlin is a cool place too.
The Breakfast Uber Alles.
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boston is no option on said list
::abstains::
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I went with no, but start touring more following bigger bands (just like utica shows).
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I\'m kinda torn for this one. Can\'t believe I\'m going to say this, but great poll, leith! ;)
My thoughts are that if they tour more, I believe they can quadruple their fan base, but they must tour consistently. While I feel that moving out west would be great for the band, there are many connections around here that keep them getting paid and recognized. Moving out west is a big gamble. Therefore, I say let them tour more and see what happens... :shrug:
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as much as i would want them to stay here, i think relocating for a year or 2 might be a good idea (california)
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absolutely...go west coast for a couple years
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I went with no, but start touring more following bigger bands (just like utica shows).
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short answer: "Yes" with an "If," long answer: "No" --with a "But..."
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I\'d say relocation is pretty low on the list of things the band could do to move forward.
what is high up on the list? just curious as to what you think could be done.
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I\'d say relocation is pretty low on the list of things the band could do to move forward.
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I\'m not sure. leaving behind their North East fanbase would be.... Idk, sad I guess. One thing I do know, if they were to move to CO or Cali I would move too.
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i don\'t know if it would help at all
but of course co is my choice
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Reading between the lines, I think what this really says is:
Poll: Should Leith move to CT so he can see more breakfast shows?
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Just asking so keep the hatred to a minimum please.