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General Discussions => Spunk => Topic started by: tyzack on May 06, 2008, 02:11:05 pm
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heh heh. dw said "addition"
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Everyone shut the **** up and do Kundalini Yoga already.....
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I think that you cut the quote off too soon. I think that what Al Z was trying to say is that people don\'t watch what they eat or drink (thus causing obesity), fu$king reclessly (thus causing an unecessary rise in population) - all of these factors are taxing the safety net that was put in place to help and too many people are abusing the system and want everything for free (healthcare...). I do lean to the left when voting, but will never vote for Hillary and her universal healthcare plan.
...err, I didn\'t have anything to add to the discusion because I basically agree with all his points, so I edited that quote to try to make it sound like he said **** made you fat.
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I think that you cut the quote off too soon. I think that what Al Z was trying to say is that people don\'t watch what they eat or drink (thus causing obesity), fu$king reclessly (thus causing an unecessary rise in population) - all of these factors are taxing the safety net that was put in place to help and too many people are abusing the system and want everything for free (healthcare...). I do lean to the left when voting, but will never vote for Hillary and her universal healthcare plan.
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People ..**** ..recklessly, fueling a costly obesity epidemic, .
How exacting does **** fuel obesity? Isn\'t it a cardo-vascular work out?
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"Mmmkay" "Drugs Are Bad. And If You Do Drugs You\'re Bad. \'Cause Drugs Are Bad ."
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Look, you see it one way, I see it another. I\'m not going to search the internet for data to support my case, but it\'s a given that heroin, cocain and crack are highly addictive drugs.
Alcohol causes more deaths because it is legal and more readily available.
As for your other examples, your probably statistically correct, but how many unreported deaths or missing persons are related to drugs.
I agree that some drugs are not as bad as other, but to legalize all drugs is crazy and irresponsible. Just my opinion. I really don\'t think that you will ever see a government that is willing to legalize all drugs, so it basically a mute point.
It doesn\'t make sence to ignore the differences of these substances and lump them all together under the category of drugs, and then say either, "all drugs should be legal," or "all drugs should be illegal." It seems very obvious to me which of these substances are dangerous to peoples heath and dangerous to society as a whole, vs. which of these substances are fairly benign (and actually may have great benefits to soceity as a whole). I\'m all for decriminalization of marijuana, but I\'m definately against legalizing or decriminalizing ****/crack/herion/meth. Do I think addicts should be locked up? No, they should get help in rehab programs. Should dealers of heroin/meth/crack be locked up? Yea, probably. If that makes me a hypocrite oh fuckin\' well, I just don\'t see this issue to be that black and white.
First of all **** and crack are the same drug. They are both the same alkaloid they are just delivered to the body in different ways. Think smoking weed v. eating it. Yes they are highly addictive, so is alcohol, so are lots of legal substances. Cigarettes for example. Also amphetamines are class 2 so according to our government it is less dangerous than pot and actually has some medical benefit so think on that for a minute. Same is true of ****.
So your basically saying that your beliefs are not rooted in fact. That is wonderful. So you will just willynilly regurgitate whatever thoughts got in to your head first. Alcohol is a poison to the body plain and simple. If it was going to be scheduled as the other drugs are it would be schedule 1. So the government has no problem allowing the citizens of this country to choose to use this drug. So why should it draw the line on others that are less or even as potentially harmful ?
So how many unreported deaths are due to alcohol, and missing persons ? not sure where your going with that. And to which extent are those issues you describe related to dealing with criminals.
What is really irresponsible, continuing down a path that does not work, locks up people for victimless crimes and cost us taxpayers billions a year or to a least remove the criminal element from the equation, tax the substances heavily, and allow people to do what they want without interference from the government ? I choose the later.
I\'m not sure which parts of my post you are responding to and what parts of Yoda\'s you are responding to but i\'ll just try and adresss some of the points you made.
You can\'t tell me meth is less dangerous than weed. I don\'t care what "schedule" our government classifies it as. It seems pretty obvious to me that weed is less dangerous and it makes no sence for weed to be classified as worse than meth or coke. Yes amphetamines have medical uses and should continue to be available in hospitals for people who need the drug for medical use. But street meth should remain illegal, and should be considered more dangerous. What is the criteria for categorizing drugs into schedule 1, 2, or 3? Is it based on whether or not there is a medical use for the drug? Although our government denies that there are any medical benefits to marijuana, I believe there are, such as: Reducing the nausea, vomiting, and loss of appetite caused by AIDS and by various AIDS medications (and chemo), reducing interlobular pressure, thereby alleviating the pain and slowing -- and sometimes stopping -- the progress of Glaucoma. Also, marijuana can limit the muscle pain and spasticity caused by the multiple sclerosis, as well as relieving tremor and unsteadiness of gait.
Aaanyways, The other part of your post I want to address is the victimless crime part. I don\'t believe selling heroin/crack/meth = a victimless crime. People who sell these highly addictive drugs are taking advantage of the weak wills of others who have a disease called addiction (or their trying to support their own addictions). Many people\'s lives are ruined by hard drugs (and yes, alcohol). I just don\'t believe that the same is true for weed. :shrug:
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I know that personal responsibility in this country is something that isn\'t very popular anymore but it should be tantamount.
I wholeheartedly agree, and it seems much of the country lives very recklessley, expecting the gov\'t to make it all right.
People eat and drink (and ****) recklessly, fueling a costly obesity epidemic, then want free healthcare to treat all the ailments; buy houses they\'ll never be able to afford then hope for a gov\'t bailout when they are ready for foreclosure; drive Escalades when they make $20,000, then complain about being broke; live above their means for decades, then hope for a gov\'t check to cover living expenses.
I could go on and on.
this.
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Look, you see it one way, I see it another. I\'m not going to search the internet for data to support my case, but it\'s a given that heroin, cocain and crack are highly addictive drugs.
Alcohol causes more deaths because it is legal and more readily available.
As for your other examples, your probably statistically correct, but how many unreported deaths or missing persons are related to drugs.
I agree that some drugs are not as bad as other, but to legalize all drugs is crazy and irresponsible. Just my opinion. I really don\'t think that you will ever see a government that is willing to legalize all drugs, so it basically a mute point.
It doesn\'t make sence to ignore the differences of these substances and lump them all together under the category of drugs, and then say either, "all drugs should be legal," or "all drugs should be illegal." It seems very obvious to me which of these substances are dangerous to peoples heath and dangerous to society as a whole, vs. which of these substances are fairly benign (and actually may have great benefits to soceity as a whole). I\'m all for decriminalization of marijuana, but I\'m definately against legalizing or decriminalizing ****/crack/herion/meth. Do I think addicts should be locked up? No, they should get help in rehab programs. Should dealers of heroin/meth/crack be locked up? Yea, probably. If that makes me a hypocrite oh fuckin\' well, I just don\'t see this issue to be that black and white.
First of all **** and crack are the same drug. They are both the same alkaloid they are just delivered to the body in different ways. Think smoking weed v. eating it. Yes they are highly addictive, so is alcohol, so are lots of legal substances. Cigarettes for example. Also amphetamines are class 2 so according to our government it is less dangerous than pot and actually has some medical benefit so think on that for a minute. Same is true of ****.
So your basically saying that your beliefs are not rooted in fact. That is wonderful. So you will just willynilly regurgitate whatever thoughts got in to your head first. Alcohol is a poison to the body plain and simple. If it was going to be scheduled as the other drugs are it would be schedule 1. So the government has no problem allowing the citizens of this country to choose to use this drug. So why should it draw the line on others that are less or even as potentially harmful ?
So how many unreported deaths are due to alcohol, and missing persons ? not sure where your going with that. And to which extent are those issues you describe related to dealing with criminals.
What is really irresponsible, continuing down a path that does not work, locks up people for victimless crimes and cost us taxpayers billions a year or to a least remove the criminal element from the equation, tax the substances heavily, and allow people to do what they want without interference from the government ? I choose the later.
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I know that personal responsibility in this country is something that isn\'t very popular anymore but it should be tantamount.
I wholeheartedly agree, and it seems much of the country lives very recklessley, expecting the gov\'t to make it all right.
People eat and drink (and ****) recklessly, fueling a costly obesity epidemic, then want free healthcare to treat all the ailments; buy houses they\'ll never be able to afford then hope for a gov\'t bailout when they are ready for foreclosure; drive Escalades when they make $20,000, then complain about being broke; live above their means for decades, then hope for a gov\'t check to cover living expenses.
I could go on and on.
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Hypocrisy to those that want theirs OK\'d but the others are "bad"The reason that drugs are associated with crime is simply, they are illegal. Take the illegality out of it and the crime goes with it. If you need an example just look at alcohol prohibition.
Saying the vices you do are better or more "classy" than any others is silly and worst of all hypocritical.
I can choose not to indulge but to look down ones nose at those who do and don\'t bother anyone is stupid. Next time someone bad mouths you or says something when your puffing / drinking / masturbating to your huge **** collection etc remember that.
It doesn\'t make sence to ignore the differences of these substances and lump them all together under the category of drugs, and then say either, "all drugs should be legal," or "all drugs should be illegal." It seems very obvious to me which of these substances are dangerous to peoples heath and dangerous to society as a whole, vs. which of these substances are fairly benign (and actually may have great benefits to soceity as a whole). I\'m all for decriminalization of marijuana, but I\'m definately against legalizing or decriminalizing ****/crack/herion/meth. Do I think addicts should be locked up? No, they should get help in rehab programs. Should dealers of heroin/meth/crack be locked up? Yea, probably. If that makes me a hypocrite oh fuckin\' well, I just don\'t see this issue to be that black and white.
so now we\'re bringing ethnicity and race into this i don\'t think thats right.............
ahhh lighten up people. everyone has a choice to do or not do whatever. I don\'t see much conviction from people these days. MANY are willing to go along or do whatever the masses are doing and then blame society for there short comings. take some responsibility for your actions. not everything that happens to you is someone else\'s fault. Addition to drugs is a medical condition and should be handled with medical help not prison. Trying to become an entrepreneur by selling drugs= not the right way to do things and should warrant some jail time.
info update
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080507/ap_on_re_us/college_drug_bust
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It\'s a matter of balance, which is what we have right now: people want to do illegal drugs, they will find them. People who don\'t choose not to. We need the government to crack down on cases like this so it\'s a reminder for some that these drugs are illegal and they are illegal for a reason. Most people who do coke, etc. do it in moderation and are fine. But if everything were made legal this might not be the case. This is just how our system works, it will never change.
RUST its not as bad as it seems
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Hypocrisy to those that want theirs OK\'d but the others are "bad"The reason that drugs are associated with crime is simply, they are illegal. Take the illegality out of it and the crime goes with it. If you need an example just look at alcohol prohibition.
Saying the vices you do are better or more "classy" than any others is silly and worst of all hypocritical.
I can choose not to indulge but to look down ones nose at those who do and don\'t bother anyone is stupid. Next time someone bad mouths you or says something when your puffing / drinking / masturbating to your huge **** collection etc remember that.
It doesn\'t make sence to ignore the differences of these substances and lump them all together under the category of drugs, and then say either, "all drugs should be legal," or "all drugs should be illegal." It seems very obvious to me which of these substances are dangerous to peoples heath and dangerous to society as a whole, vs. which of these substances are fairly benign (and actually may have great benefits to soceity as a whole). I\'m all for decriminalization of marijuana, but I\'m definately against legalizing or decriminalizing ****/crack/herion/meth. Do I think addicts should be locked up? No, they should get help in rehab programs. Should dealers of heroin/meth/crack be locked up? Yea, probably. If that makes me a hypocrite oh fuckin\' well, I just don\'t see this issue to be that black and white.
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Look, you see it one way, I see it another. I\'m not going to search the internet for data to support my case, but it\'s a given that heroin, cocain and crack are highly addictive drugs.
Alcohol causes more deaths because it is legal and more readily available.
As for your other examples, your probably statistically correct, but how many unreported deaths or missing persons are related to drugs.
I agree that some drugs are not as bad as other, but to legalize all drugs is crazy and irresponsible. Just my opinion. I really don\'t think that you will ever see a government that is willing to legalize all drugs, so it basically a mute point.
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damn i musta missed that text
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So are you saying that Cocain, Heroin, Crack, etc... should be made to be legal? That\'s just what this country needs - more junkies...that\'s what you\'d get if you made these drugs legal. You would have more people strung out, more crime to pay for their habit, more people messing up at work (therefore potentially losing their job and adding economic strain to the already existing problems)...the list can go on. I agree that there are certain drugs that are less damaging to an individual, but imagine the message that it would send. Hey everyone...we\'ve been against the use of these drugs for years, but as long as you follow the rules, you can have anything you want. You can\'t be serious.
What you say is not supported by the numbers.
The percentage of drug users has remained steady for a long time. The percentage basically stays the same regardless of what measures are put behind the issue. So your idea that there would be an explosion of junkies is total BS.
Alcohol destroys more lives then all illicit drugs combined but is completely legal for you to drink yourself to death if you so choose. Alcohol is also associated with more crime then any other substance.
Motor vehicles kill more people in this country then all illicit substances.
Swimming pools kill more children every year than guns.
Well the message they are sending now doesn\'t work, it it is usually simple propaganda that isn\'t supported by facts. Cannabis is a schedule 1 drug, **** and amphetamines are schedule 2 drugs so what message does that send ?
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I believe that it is proven that Cocain, Heroin and Crack are highly addictive drugs. It is proven that once addicted, it is difficult to quit. So it leads one down the path that unless you\'re a millionaire and can afford to supply your daily habit, you will do whatever you need to do to get the money and that includes crime. I\'m not saying that this will be the case 100% of the time, but it will definitely increase the number of junkies.
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I know that personal responsibility in this country is something that isn\'t very popular anymore but it should be tantamount.
I cannot agree more.
That\'s just what this country needs - more junkies....
Not proven.
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So are you saying that Cocain, Heroin, Crack, etc... should be made to be legal? That\'s just what this country needs - more junkies...that\'s what you\'d get if you made these drugs legal. You would have more people strung out, more crime to pay for their habit, more people messing up at work (therefore potentially losing their job and adding economic strain to the already existing problems)...the list can go on. I agree that there are certain drugs that are less damaging to an individual, but imagine the message that it would send. Hey everyone...we\'ve been against the use of these drugs for years, but as long as you follow the rules, you can have anything you want. You can\'t be serious.
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how did society benifet from this wonderful use of tax-payer money:
well **** is bad for society. so i suppose getting the kids off of it could be quite beneficial. If this was a pot bust I may question just how it is helping people but coke and pot are very different. How they effect the human body and the trade associated with it are entirely different. personally, I have seen **** ruin the lives of a number of my friends - caught up in dealing dropping out and other psychological issues. so yes, I would say society would benefit from getting rid of coke.
The problem is it will never go away. It is 2nd to cannabis as the most used drug (illegal, Alcohol is #1 by a LARGE margin) globally. So simply saying get rid of it doesn\'t work and hasn\'t worked. That is why I believe that currently illicit drugs should be controlled and sold openly. If someone breaks the law prosecute them for it. Being high shouldn\'t somehow make it worse or better. I know that personal responsibility in this country is something that isn\'t very popular anymore but it should be tantamount.
In a free society people should be allowed to ingest whatever they want to provided that it doesn\'t encroach on the rights of others (ie. eating babies or something like that). Many people reading this thread I am sure have indulged in a myriad of substances and are just fine. There will always be people who abuse themselves whether they choose to do it with household cleaners, ****, meth, alcohol, paint, over the counter prescriptions etc. I don\'t think those people should dictate policy for the rest of us.
The War on drugs has failed miserably at the cost of personal liberties and freedom. I do not believe the ends justify the means. This is of course my opinion and you are more than welcome to disagree as I am sure I am in the minority when it comes to these positions.
I certainly am not advocating use of these substances but in and of themselves they are benign just as a gun is. Someone has to make a choice to do X, Y or Z for it to then become a societal issue.
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I met a kid tonight who got the text message that was sent out by the dumbass frat boy, and it included the phrase - "blow" out sale - word for word, with the quotes, and listed prices with minimal "code words".
The way I see it, these kids deserve to be in jail right now if they are sending mass text messages out to people about **** using the word blow in quotes.
this kid was pretty much begging to get caught.
sorry to hear about the girl in your building :(
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I go to state, and I thought you all may appreciate some info. The bust this morning was the end of a year-long investigation that started after a girl overdosed and died last year (on the 1st floor of my apartment building =/).
The bust was mostly just **** (a lot of it) and ecstasy, but everything else along with it too...guns, adderall, pot, meth, shrooms, etc. The big bust involving large amounts of coke and the guns was at a frat called theta chi..you can see it from my balcony.
I met a kid tonight who got the text message that was sent out by the dumbass frat boy, and it included the phrase - "blow" out sale - word for word, with the quotes, and listed prices with minimal "code words".
The way I see it, these kids deserve to be in jail right now if they are sending mass text messages out to people about **** using the word blow in quotes. And on top of it, the greek system here is so **** up and drug-ridden, it\'s ridiculous.
The cops weren\'t too worried about the pot...it\'s weird to me, being from the east coast (specifically living in the kearsarge area in NH for 5 yrs) but weed is pretty chill here...not "chill" per se, but medicinal marijuana is legal in a lot of CA. Coke however, is not.
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how did society benifet from this wonderful use of tax-payer money:
well **** is bad for society. so i suppose getting the kids off of it could be quite beneficial. If this was a pot bust I may question just how it is helping people but coke and pot are very different. How they effect the human body and the trade associated with it are entirely different. personally, I have seen **** ruin the lives of a number of my friends - caught up in dealing dropping out and other psychological issues. so yes, I would say society would benefit from getting rid of coke.
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Sorry this topic makes you so angry kindms. All I can see is people pointing out some harmless, proven facts such as "cocain trafficking creates more violent crime than marijuana trafficking" and "there are proven medical benefits to marijuana usage while there are none for cocain usage." I have no idea why this would lead you to name-calling and self-aggrandizing. Here, take a puff of this bowl, this should help...
I don\'t know why you would read what I said as angry.
I took issue with the "Trash" comments etc. I was not refuting anything that you said. I simply offered an explanation as why crime follows drugs v. the people who chose to indulge in such behaviors.
I basically was responding to many peoples thoughts in this thread and probably should have used quotes so as not to make it seem as if it was directed at 1 person.
I guess we could argue about the benefits of ****. Form the wiki" **** is used in medicine as a topical anesthetic, even in children, specifically in eye, nose and throat surgery."
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Sorry this topic makes you so angry kindms. All I can see is people pointing out some harmless, proven facts such as "cocain trafficking creates more violent crime than marijuana trafficking" and "there are proven medical benefits to marijuana usage while there are none for cocain usage." I have no idea why this would lead you to name-calling and self-aggrandizing. Here, take a puff of this bowl, this should help...
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Hypocrisy to those that want theirs OK\'d but the others are "bad"
The reason that drugs are associated with crime is simply, they are illegal. Take the illegality out of it and the crime goes with it. If you need an example just look at alcohol prohibition.
Saying the vices you do are better or more "classy" than any others is silly and worst of all hypocritical.
I can choose not to indulge but to look down ones nose at those who do and don\'t bother anyone is stupid. Next time someone bad mouths you or says something when your puffing / drinking / masturbating to your huge **** collection etc remember that.
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Can we at least keep the **** and ganja seperated when we\'re talking about drugs that supposedly hurt people... I mean one is filth and the other is Gods gift to humanity..
It\'s a great point. There is ample legitimate evidence of the medical benefeits of marijuana. Meanwhile, cocain is just trash. And although the trafficking of both drugs creates other crime that goes with it, the residual crime and violence around coke/heroin/etc. is 1000 times worse than with pot.
Sounds like this was mostly a coke ring, I am all for the bust.
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Guns and Text Message **** sales = stupidity
Kids with a lot of ganja in college = friends helping friends to get by
Can we at least keep the **** and ganja seperated when we\'re talking about drugs that supposedly hurt people... I mean one is filth and the other is Gods gift to humanity..
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just another reminder to people that you really shouldn\'t be texting other people about drug usage
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Officials say the evidence seized as part of Operation Sudden Fall
Who stayed up all night thinking of this code name?
george bush
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oh right, i forgot, cops shouldn\'t do their jobs when it comes to drugs because drugs don\'t hurt anyone. right.
sorry, you\'re not gonna get any sympathy out of me for these idiots.
I wasn\'t debating the intelligence of the accused, but the allocation of national resources.
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oh right, i forgot, cops shouldn\'t do their jobs when it comes to drugs because drugs don\'t hurt anyone. right.
sorry, you\'re not gonna get any sympathy out of me for these idiots.
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oh right, i forgot, cops shouldn\'t do their jobs when it comes to drugs because drugs don\'t hurt anyone. right.
sorry, you\'re not gonna get any sympathy out of me for these idiots.
Totally agree on the idiots part. Sending text msgs abt drugs stupid. Having guns around even more stupid.
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Officials say the evidence seized as part of Operation Sudden Fall
Who stayed up all night thinking of this code name?
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oh right, i forgot, cops shouldn\'t do their jobs when it comes to drugs because drugs don\'t hurt anyone. right.
sorry, you\'re not gonna get any sympathy out of me for these idiots.
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If they hadn\'t been arreseted:
2 would have become junkies
5 would have become cops
93 would have gone on to lead normal, productive lives
98 would have become tax-paying citizens contributing to our ecomony and possibily making more tax-payers.
Now, a few cops will be able to pat themselves on the back and say they did a wonderful job protecting america\'s children.
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Drug bust nets 96 at San Diego State
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Authorities have arrested nearly 100 people and seized guns and drugs in a sting operation at San Diego State University in California, the Drug Enforcement Administration said Tuesday.
Among those arrested were 75 students, some of them working toward criminal justice or homeland security degrees. One criminal justice major was charged with possession of guns and ****, authorities said.
One student sent a mass text message offering a "sale" on ****, the DEA said in a news release.
Campus police and the DEA began their undercover operation after the death of a student from an overdose in May 2007, the news release said. A second overdose death occurred as recently as February at a fraternity house.
"DEA agents infiltrated several student drug distribution cells and more than 130 drug purchases and seizures were made" during the investigation known as Operation Sudden Fall, the news release said.
Officials arrested 75 students and 21 non-students on a variety of drug charges, including selling ****.
Authorities say they infiltrated seven campus fraternities and found that in some, most of the students were aware of drug dealing by fraternity brothers.
The news release alleges a member of the Theta Chi fraternity sent a mass text message to his "faithful customers" saying he and some others temporarily would be unable to complete orders for drug sales due to a trip to Las Vegas, Nevada.
The text message went on to discuss a "sale" on **** and gave details on reduced prices, the news release said.
One student allegedly dealing **** was a month short of obtaining a master\'s degree in Homeland Security and worked with campus police as a student community service officer.
"This operation shows how accessible and pervasive illegal drugs continue to be on our college campuses, and how common it is for students to be selling to other students," said San Diego County District Attorney Bonnie Dumanis.
Officials say the evidence seized as part of Operation Sudden Fall includes four pounds of ****, 50 pounds of marijuana and 350 ecstasy pills. Authorities also confiscated a shotgun, three semiautomatic pistols and $60,000.
i was watching the news conference, and they said one of the students asked if this was going to hinder his chance to become a FBI agent. yeah, they sound like a bunch of wonderful, intelligent kids who will go on to do great things with their lives. :sigh:
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Just a question, or is it generally broken up into smaller topics?
If there is I would like to know how did society benifet from this wonderful use of tax-payer money:
Almost 100 students arrested a San Degio State (http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/05/06/sdsu.bust/index.html)
Also, how does arrested 96 college-kids prevent or deture international drug cartels from doing business in the state?
[obivously I am asking loaded questions]