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Breakfast Babble => The Grand Scheme Of Things => Topic started by: leith on March 12, 2008, 06:53:54 pm
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they should get down with the Everyone Orchestra. they could rip **** up and EO gets pretty big crowds
That should work out...How could the "Everyone Orchestra" possibly turn down a guest appearance? rotfl That would be like the Animal Liberation Orchestra taking the stage in fur coats, or the Red Sox wearing yellow socks.
The Animal in ALO has nothing to do with actual animals rather the "Animal" within us all is what they wish to liberate.
Someone should tell their drummer.
Who said sit-ins are a waste of time? ABSURD!!!!!
Who suggested Everyone Orchestra? HoooooRAAAAYYYYY!!!!!
I\'ll play for the dpeck/leith team in this game. I want to ~lowercase~ my capital \'G\' to fit in.
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but would they "ask" him? i\'m just saying......
If Tim showed up at a Fest and made the rounds hanging out I am very sure he would get an invitation. No doubt in my mind.
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This sounds more like the
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game to me.... Humility and humbleness.
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but would they "ask" him? i\'m just saying......
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thats your opinion
and i dont agree with everything he said...i do think his point that he agreed with me on is very valid. The breakfast arent "allstars" in the jamband scene...in other words it would be pretty diffucult for them, when they arent even on festival bills, so just walk around and start sitting in with bands that have practiced their asses off for these big shows. we arent talking about huge names here that any band would love to have them just hop on stage with. a lot of breakfast fans have pretty thick skulls when it comes to this type of thing...they think the breakfast is so great/well liked in the community that they can just walk on other bands no problem (this is a prime example). the reality is, they are not on many bills for festivals and i think its pretty optimistic thinking to assume they can just wander around festivals with their instruments and start getting on stage with other bands.
obviously networking is a huge key to success...but i think phone calls/emails, etc (and definitely good management plays a role in this) are better ideas and start trying to book more co-bill shows.
To the bold type.
Uh talk with anyone in TLG, UM, ALO, U-Melt or RAQ to name a few that if Tim happened to show up with guitar in hand they would let him sit -in.
I\'ll bet you get not one no.
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Sit-Ins are really good for exposure but you have no clue so I get it that you don\'t like them.
thats just like... your opinion... man....
no seriously though, i sat in with the breakfast at the knitting factory the first time i sat in with them, and immediately after that i was constantly recognized at bfast shows by people i didn\'t know asking me about my band, etc. that was one sit in with a band that isn\'t by any means huge.
when it comes to sit ins, bands aren\'t worried about being upstaged, people like to play with good musicians, and when you\'ve been playing with the same 3 or 4 or 5 dudes every night, having someone sit in can be a breath of fresh air, especially someone who is competent enough to keep things really interesting.
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well said
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Go get em Leith...
Two words: self sabatoge.
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Many reasons. Here are a few I have gathered.
They are based in a town in CT known more for it\'s school than music and were very reluctant to tour often outside of the area.
They have never had any real management since Josh Kroop left and other bands do not deal with non managed bands for business reasons usually.
Up until recently the bands vocals were more a detraction than attraction which to some the music could not overcome.
The problem lies in that while their talent is well known the other factors are more important to management who look at the bottom(dollar) line.
Alot of these reasons are slowly eroding due to the band\'s seemingly renewed dedication to getting the music out to the masses so for me I think the future is very bright for THe Breakfast.
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So what\'s the deal then Leith? If they are known by other band\'s management, why are they not trying to reel in the breakfast?
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thats your opinion
Yeah but see my opinion is based on discussing these cats with people that matter like managers and booking agents while you and Bdfreetuna are just discussing the band with "jam scenesters" and your neighbors.
Tim as well as Adrian are very well known to many bands in this scene and those band\'s mamagement.
You think they would not be known after 10 **** years? With their talent? LAUGHABLE.
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thats your opinion
and i dont agree with everything he said...i do think his point that he agreed with me on is very valid. The breakfast arent "allstars" in the jamband scene...in other words it would be pretty diffucult for them, when they arent even on festival bills, so just walk around and start sitting in with bands that have practiced their asses off for these big shows. we arent talking about huge names here that any band would love to have them just hop on stage with. a lot of breakfast fans have pretty thick skulls when it comes to this type of thing...they think the breakfast is so great/well liked in the community that they can just walk on other bands no problem (this is a prime example). the reality is, they are not on many bills for festivals and i think its pretty optimistic thinking to assume they can just wander around festivals with their instruments and start getting on stage with other bands.
obviously networking is a huge key to success...but i think phone calls/emails, etc (and definitely good management plays a role in this) are better ideas and start trying to book more co-bill shows.
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One problem with Breakfast sitting in with other bands.....
other bands don\'t like to look like **** because they\'re getting shown up on their own stage.
And DS#s of course you are right. The members of The Breakfast are in no way famous or even really known in the "jam scene".
At most what I hear from random "jam scenesters" is "oh, Psychedelic Breakfast?? [you see, a lot of people still don\'t realize they\'ve even changed their name] Yeah I saw them back in 2002 I remember the guitar player was pretty good"
I think sit ins are lame and the idea of The Breakfast opening for Xanax-rockers like TLG or RAQ sucks.
1st that thinking of bands being afraid of The Breakfast is a tired attitude that really has NO LOGIC to it whatsoever.
You have no clue how much visibility Tim actually has. He is VERY WELL KNOWN to those that matter.
Sit-Ins are really good for exposure but you have no clue so I get it that you don\'t like them.
One problem with Breakfast sitting in with other bands.....
other bands don\'t like to look like **** because they\'re getting shown up on their own stage.
And DS#s of course you are right. The members of The Breakfast are in no way famous or even really known in the "jam scene".
At most what I hear from random "jam scenesters" is "oh, Psychedelic Breakfast?? [you see, a lot of people still don\'t realize they\'ve even changed their name] Yeah I saw them back in 2002 I remember the guitar player was pretty good"
at least someone agrees with me.
I wouldn\'t get excited you are both wrong.
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im tellin ya
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get a real manager and booking agency already.
this is just beyond redonk mickey mouse clown shoes armchair .info management at this point.
FIRST you have to get on the festivals then when you rip it up and other artists and promoters notice and you get offered sit ins and opportunities and the synergistic networking happens naturally. but the band has to be on the bill first, and not a last minute add on with a garbage slot. It\'s not rocket science.
I understand the dilemma that festivals are reluctant to book a band that wont sell many tickets but it is the managements job to sell the strengths of the band (i.e. they will own faces and come relatively cheap and will attract at least a small base of hardcores and some extended families/more casual fans already at the festy plus newbs/randoms, etc).
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i think i starting point would be to talk to bands like u-melt, TLG, RAQ (bands sort of on the same level as them, and yes leith i know TLG is a little bigger)
tlg sit ins 4/20/04 Colorado (Co bill at cervante\'s i think)
raq sit ins porters 04, toads 06, few others I\'m sure
u-melt sit ins at rev hall
and there have even been some almighty UM sit ins.. all this **** has happened... shitty timing, shitty management... I\'m just st0ked as **** the music is still being played:inky:
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One problem with Breakfast sitting in with other bands.....
other bands don\'t like to look like **** because they\'re getting shown up on their own stage.
And DS#s of course you are right. The members of The Breakfast are in no way famous or even really known in the "jam scene".
At most what I hear from random "jam scenesters" is "oh, Psychedelic Breakfast?? [you see, a lot of people still don\'t realize they\'ve even changed their name] Yeah I saw them back in 2002 I remember the guitar player was pretty good"
at least someone agrees with me.
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i think sit-ins are great. pretty much always a good thing seeing masters of their craft enjoying each others company on stage.
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One problem with Breakfast sitting in with other bands.....
other bands don\'t like to look like **** because they\'re getting shown up on their own stage.
And DS#s of course you are right. The members of The Breakfast are in no way famous or even really known in the "jam scene".
At most what I hear from random "jam scenesters" is "oh, Psychedelic Breakfast?? [you see, a lot of people still don\'t realize they\'ve even changed their name] Yeah I saw them back in 2002 I remember the guitar player was pretty good"
I think sit ins are lame and the idea of The Breakfast opening for Xanax-rockers like TLG or RAQ sucks.
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is Tim and/or Adrian making the rounds. You know pull a "Warren".
These 2 should bring instruments and just start sitting in. I am sure they can sit in (Tim esp.) wherever they want.
It would cause a lot of talk about the performances sat in on and invariably lead to discussions about The Breakfast.
Damn even if they are not playing a fest and it\'s near they should pack up and hit it if there is no immediate Bfast show booked.
Just another way to get these guys some notice.
ahh another armchair manager thread...
Yeah but can you name one idea I have had for this band that was bad?
nope. :D
Thank You
i think i starting point would be to talk to bands like u-melt, TLG, RAQ (bands sort of on the same level as them, and yes leith i know TLG is a little bigger)
Come ON ds. Besides I have already discussed The Breakfast opening for TLG w/ TLG\'s management. Probably not gonna happen until The Breakfast have real management.
but the other thing that should be asked is HOW to get a sit in spot. "uh hey man, want me to sit in and take up some of your 30 minute set..." i can\'t imagine that goes over to well.
exactly, it\'s usually them that\'s supposed to ask you. How would they work that?
See Peck\'s post.
i would think it\'s obvious if any of the guys had an opportunity to sitin with anyone it would be a good idea. but as it was said before.... they need to get on the bill at festivals first. but the other thing that should be asked is HOW to get a sit in spot. "uh hey man, want me to sit in and take up some of your 30 minute set..." i can\'t imagine that goes over to well.
i think this is where everyone is missing the point here...
the breakfast do not get booked for festivals.
sure, they get their slots here and there, but year after year, festival after festival gets announced, and the breakfast isn\'t on it. **** it. show up. bring instruments. be ready. network, network, network. make friends. i\'d imagine that if the guys did this, they wouldn\'t have to ask/beg to sit in with anyone, they\'d BE asked.
this networking thing is a key element that has been missing from this band for a long time. i\'m glad to see tim taking steps to get the networking thing going with his trips out to NAAM and SXSW this year. the rest of the band needs to follow suit, and festivals are a great opportunity to do that.
At least you put it more succinctly than I. :lol: The bold type that is.
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i would think it\'s obvious if any of the guys had an opportunity to sitin with anyone it would be a good idea. but as it was said before.... they need to get on the bill at festivals first. but the other thing that should be asked is HOW to get a sit in spot. "uh hey man, want me to sit in and take up some of your 30 minute set..." i can\'t imagine that goes over to well.
i think this is where everyone is missing the point here...
the breakfast do not get booked for festivals.
sure, they get their slots here and there, but year after year, festival after festival gets announced, and the breakfast isn\'t on it. **** it. show up. bring instruments. be ready. network, network, network. make friends. i\'d imagine that if the guys did this, they wouldn\'t have to ask/beg to sit in with anyone, they\'d BE asked.
this networking thing is a key element that has been missing from this band for a long time. i\'m glad to see tim taking steps to get the networking thing going with his trips out to NAAM and SXSW this year. the rest of the band needs to follow suit, and festivals are a great opportunity to do that.
i would say even if your not on the bill, go to a festival and show interest in what others are doing. making sure to say whats up to the other bands and what not. Hit up some of the festival early they are playing and stay late, hangout. it\'s not always about the after party. it would make more sense to hangout in the crowd and get down with everybody after a set than to pack up and bolt. Time to have a good time on and off the stage. All the guys are personable so there isn\'t any reason they shouldn\'t
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Best guest sit in I\'ve heard...
http://www.archive.org/download/moe1998-10-31.aud.flac/moe1998-10-31-d2t02_64kb.mp3
Alright, back on topic...
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i would think it\'s obvious if any of the guys had an opportunity to sitin with anyone it would be a good idea. but as it was said before.... they need to get on the bill at festivals first. but the other thing that should be asked is HOW to get a sit in spot. "uh hey man, want me to sit in and take up some of your 30 minute set..." i can\'t imagine that goes over to well.
i think this is where everyone is missing the point here...
the breakfast do not get booked for festivals.
sure, they get their slots here and there, but year after year, festival after festival gets announced, and the breakfast isn\'t on it. **** it. show up. bring instruments. be ready. network, network, network. make friends. i\'d imagine that if the guys did this, they wouldn\'t have to ask/beg to sit in with anyone, they\'d BE asked.
this networking thing is a key element that has been missing from this band for a long time. i\'m glad to see tim taking steps to get the networking thing going with his trips out to NAAM and SXSW this year. the rest of the band needs to follow suit, and festivals are a great opportunity to do that.
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but the other thing that should be asked is HOW to get a sit in spot. "uh hey man, want me to sit in and take up some of your 30 minute set..." i can\'t imagine that goes over to well.
exactly, it\'s usually them that\'s supposed to ask you. How would they work that?
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i think i starting point would be to talk to bands like u-melt, TLG, RAQ (bands sort of on the same level as them, and yes leith i know TLG is a little bigger)
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i would think it\'s obvious if any of the guys had an opportunity to sitin with anyone it would be a good idea. but as it was said before.... they need to get on the bill at festivals first. but the other thing that should be asked is HOW to get a sit in spot. "uh hey man, want me to sit in and take up some of your 30 minute set..." i can\'t imagine that goes over to well.
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a sit in a moe.down would be the best.....image a full band switch on sat. night. Also, give moe.rons somewhere to go for the next year while they are taking a break
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ahh another armchair manager thread...
Yeah but can you name one idea I have had for this band that was bad?
nope. :D
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ahh another armchair manager thread...
Yeah but can you name one idea I have had for this band that was bad?
Matching Spandex would defintely bring the band to a new level
:that:
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ahh another armchair manager thread...
Yeah but can you name one idea I have had for this band that was bad?
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ahh another armchair manager thread...
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first we need to actually get on the bill for one of these good festies that have big acts to sit in with and crowds to witness it.
and if you don\'t think people outside of bfam know about animal your nutzo.
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they should get down with the Everyone Orchestra. they could rip **** up and EO gets pretty big crowds
That should work out...How could the "Everyone Orchestra" possibly turn down a guest appearance? rotfl That would be like the Animal Liberation Orchestra taking the stage in fur coats, or the Red Sox wearing yellow socks.
The Animal in ALO has nothing to do with actual animals rather the "Animal" within us all is what they wish to liberate.
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so everyone agrees -- Some sit-ins at during the festival season are a good call.
Personally I think its a great idea. Besides just exposure it could make a "meh" set by some other band i dont really care for totally balllllller.
And for the record Chris could probably blow some fuckin\' minds if he sat in. If anything I would say him and matt should be sitting in even more just so people will be drawn to the breakfast for more than the guitar. I too have heard a number of people go "oh yea the breakfast, that tim is fuckin crazy"... By the end of the festival season it could be "Oh yea the breakfast, all those motherfuckers are fuckin crazy"
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they should get down with the Everyone Orchestra. they could rip **** up and EO gets pretty big crowds
That should work out...How could the "Everyone Orchestra" possibly turn down a guest appearance? rotfl That would be like the Animal Liberation Orchestra taking the stage in fur coats, or the Red Sox wearing yellow socks.
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they should get down with the Everyone Orchestra. they could rip **** up and EO gets pretty big crowds
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A lot of people know of adrians out of this world drum skills.
It wont take very long for people to notice matt and chris as well.
Im pretty sure matt sat in with a few bands at camp bisco.
Just to be clear. I mentioned Tim and Adrian merely for the fact that they are the 2 that have been in the band the whole time and thus probably more well known in the Jam scene.
Given the chance I am sure Matt or Chris could cause the same amount of interest with the skills they have.
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I\'ve been to many festivals where "no-namers" from "unknown" bands sit-in with someone and it produces immediate interest because of the exposure.
this is how I have seen many a great musician that I had never heard of, and later gone to check their bands out. great point, nick.
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Correct me if I\'m wrong, but part of leith\'s point is that if all members sit-in with any band at any opportunity they will become better known. I\'ve been to many festivals where "no-namers" from "unknown" bands sit-in with someone and it produces immediate interest because of the exposure. I also find it hard to believe that bands playing at festies would deny musicians as good as anyone in The Breakfast to sit-in with them. I agree that Adrian, being a drummer, is slightly limited comparatively. But I\'m totally, 100% with leith on this. I\'ve said how important sit-ins are in the past many times and there is absolutely no reason Matt and Chris should stand on the side lines and mope like 4th string quarterbacks when their slot to shine has passed.
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A lot of people know of adrians out of this world drum skills.
It wont take very long for people to notice matt and chris as well.
Im pretty sure matt sat in with a few bands at camp bisco.
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i think realistically the only one in the band who has a shot at sitting in with most bands at these festivals is tim. hes the only one who really has alot of respect outside of the bfast community.
that is probably one of the biggest untruths ever posted on this or any board........sorry chip ds-numbers.....whether its your opinion or you are basing that on some kind of fact, I will say emphatically, you are DEF wrong about that...............
However, the thread is quite valid, and Jonathan E. Upstate and I will do everything in our powers to urge the guys to work it with other bands at the festivals this year.......
i based that comment on the fact that 99% of the time i mention to someone that the breakfast is my favorite band to go see these days, they either say:
1. "yeah i think ive heard of them,"
2. "Yeah those guys are pretty damn good, ive seen them once or twice," or
3. "that tim palmieri guy is the best fuckin guitar player, hes incredible." - and dont say anything about anyone else in the band
not that i think anyone else in the band is less qualified to sit in with other bands, i just think that when most people think of the breakfast, tim palmieri is the first thing that they think of and therefore he\'s way higher on peoples "sit in" list. Adrian would definitely be a 2nd, but drummers sitting in with other bands are much more rare than guitarist, further incresing the gap between first-place and 2nd-place for odds of bands asking them to sit in. Matt and chris are obviously qualified for the job, but they are much less known becuase of their newness to both the band and the jamband community.
saying that was the most untrue statement on .info, or possiblly in the history of internet messageboards is a bit bold, dont ya think?
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i think realistically the only one in the band who has a shot at sitting in with most bands at these festivals is tim. hes the only one who really has alot of respect outside of the bfast community.
that is probably one of the biggest untruths ever posted on this or any board........sorry chip ds-numbers.....whether its your opinion or you are basing that on some kind of fact, I will say emphatically, you are DEF wrong about that...............
However, the thread is quite valid, and Jonathan E. Upstate and I will do everything in our powers to urge the guys to work it with other bands at the festivals this year.......
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i\'d rather just send gavin to every festival possible and let him be our PR guy.
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some day, i will see tim sit in with moe.
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i think realistically the only one in the band who has a shot at sitting in with most bands at these festivals is tim. hes the only one who really has alot of respect outside of the bfast community.
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is Tim and/or Adrian making the rounds. You know pull a "Warren".
These 2 should bring instruments and just start sitting in. I am sure they can sit in (Tim esp.) wherever they want.
It would cause a lot of talk about the performances sat in on and invariably lead to discussions about The Breakfast.
Damn even if they are not playing a fest and it\'s near they should pack up and hit it if there is no immediate Bfast show booked.
Just another way to get these guys some notice.