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Breakfast Babble => The Grand Scheme Of Things => Topic started by: Overexjoesure on February 13, 2008, 10:47:56 pm
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PB opened for Umphrey\'s awhile back....circa \'02 or \'03, Middle East downstairs. My memory is shredded nor do I have the gumption to attempt to match show dates right now. I could be totally crazy but I am almost positive they played together that long ago, Dave P. would definately be more of a help with this allegedly-random PB fact....Hey everybody!!!! Lookin\' forward to 4/4/08.
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Just to add my two euros: I agree a short term opening slot for a band like UM would be good for exposure purposes. Also, while opening acts get little cash, they also do not carry the financial risk of the tour, which is borne by the headliner.
Hopefully there would also be sit-ins, which are seen as a recognition by peers of talent, which in turn will rub off on the headliner\'s fans - and face it, no-one could fail to be impressed if Timmy shredded on a few UM tunes - only problem would be he might only get one sit-in as he would easily outplay the UM guitarist in al departments without breaking into a sweat! Shorter sets mean also the band would not be tired each night and would be able to really rip it up, night after night.
Unlike some folks here, I always check out openers - you never know who you might discover - and I think there are many others who would agree with that. If the band were to follow up a support slot with their own tour not long after, locals would remember them and probably give them a go - especially as, for the moment, it would be a cheap night out.
I can see UM being a good ticket if the band could get it, also RAQ. I\'d rather see them with tlg, the biscuits, moe. or panic, but you take what you can get. Mule might also be a good target if the band feel like really rocking out or, given theri latest album, going a bit more reggae.
For the biscuits/UM show in London next month, I will endeavour to get right down the front in my Breakfast shirt anyway - maybe it will work as some sort of subliminal advertising with them!!
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i consider TB a jamband, although there are a lot of bands that peple lump into the "jamband" category who are far from it:
few examples:
YMSB
MMW
soulive
dave matthews band
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why do they have to stick to and stay in the jam band scene?!?! i know they jam, but so do other more mainstream bands, **** the hippie scene, nobody takes that music seriously, yeah, yeah i know the dead, phish, dave and abb were or are the most sucessful, and there are a ton of really talented people out there, but to A LOT of people that music is a joke, and usually induces a comment or two like, "oh yeah man, goin\' see them again, brah? gonna get really **** up and take some acid there too, man?" it\'s time to break away...
ok, let the cricism of my comments begin...
The Breakfast will always have a much harder time breaking out of the jamband scene because of their vocals. Without their jams they are an average band. I\'m not saying compositionally they\'re average, but them as a total package without huge jams is a package sent to the wrong address. I know a quick rebuttal would be, "What about Phish then?" I think they were an exception due to timing-- they truly were pioneers and threw a twist on the "Dead scene" which has become the bar and a transparent influence-- and their studio work is flawless.Their music was incredibly diverse, original, and uniquely natural, and they NAILED the studio every time. The Breakfast are great, don\'t get me wrong, but I can see their lack of universal appeal and don\'t see them breaking out of the jamband scene.
I, on the other hand, describe them as a jamband, then further explain their strong points of being my favorite jamband (ie balls to the wall rock and funk with the best guitarist out there). What I love about them is they seem to not worry too much about this strange negative connotation given to \'jambands\' recently, even by those who are in the "scene", and draw out genuine improv 5-10 minutes at a time, 5-10 times a night. They are a jamband, I don\'t see what\'s wrong with saying that. Let me guess, Todd, your answer to "What kind of music do they play?" is, "Everything... they just defy genres and are limitless... I don\'t know, it\'s like, they\'re on another planet man, just really unbelievable stuff."
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shoot i kind of look forward to them hitting the road. it\'ll give some time to pay some freak\'n bills
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Umphrey\'s is mainstreaming it to progressive rock. It would be best if The Breakfast followed suite...
Oh, and Gordo, post of the century :0 But it\'s fighting an uphill battle. I personally would be ok seeing them once a year if that meant they were playing theaters, touring nationally, making incredibly produced albums with a large budget and getting the recognition and appreciation that they so rightfully deserve!!
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"oh yeah man, goin\' see them again, brah? gonna get really **** up and take some acid there too, man?"
I swear my dad said this exact thing as I headed out the door to Toad\'s 12/29
rotflrotfl Yeah, I DEF. don\'t use "jam" and "band" in the same sentence when describing the band to my other friends.
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"oh yeah man, goin\' see them again, brah? gonna get really **** up and take some acid there too, man?"
I swear my dad said this exact thing as I headed out the door to Toad\'s 12/29
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why do they have to stick to and stay in the jam band scene?!?! i know they jam, but so do other more mainstream bands, **** the hippie scene, nobody takes that music seriously, yeah, yeah i know the dead, phish, dave and abb were or are the most sucessful, and there are a ton of really talented people out there, but to A LOT of people that music is a joke, and usually induces a comment or two like, "oh yeah man, goin\' see them again, brah? gonna get really **** up and take some acid there too, man?" it\'s time to break away...
ok, let the cricism of my comments begin...
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You forget Nick that Seth is one of those that would not mind the band just playing the NE circuit. Why would he be interested in looking at other ways to get the band exposure? If they keep doing things the way they have he gets his wish so of course he supports what they are doing.
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Personally, I never go to a show to listen to an opening band... I\'m there to see a headliner, not another band. Often I show up too late, or go somewhere else during the opening slot. OK, so I\'ve been pleasantly surprised for a few openers (like last week - The Bridge) but often it won\'t make me buy their album.
I completely disagree with this reasoning. First of all, that\'s you. Second of all, how many openers have the caliber of musicianship that The Breakfast do? I\'d be willing to bet those that have comparable skills don\'t continue opening shows.
I\'m worn out on all this arrogance. Not necessarily this post specifically, but lately it seems like there are a handful of .infoers that lick TB\'s balls no matter what and talk **** about anything that doesn\'t shed the light of god on their shoulders, even if they\'re suggestions to HELP a band by people who frequently do shed the light of god on their shoulders. The band is still very far from "making it" in this scene and to think opening for a successful band is pointless is bullshit. They\'ve never tried this touring tactic extensively.
It doesn\'t need to be a world tour for 4 months that would diminish the hometown\'s precious time spent with their heroes and, oh yeah, friends. Just even the initial announcement of (in this case) "The Breakfast To Open For Umphrey\'s -- 8 shows in September" will turn plenty of heads and influence those who haven\'t given them a chance to do so. Then, the music is so undoubtedly solid that it WILL make a difference and WILL build a bigger fan-base.
We\'re not talking about all or none, this is a building process and I\'d be willing to argue that TLG, UM, and tDB have all benefitted tremendously because of the friendships they\'ve built. I think people who constantly glorify their own favorite band, be it TLG, UM, or tDB, are easily influenced by their endorsements and support for other bands.
*sigh* We just did this thread 5 weeks ago. (http://www.thebreakfast.info/forum/showthread.php?t=11563) And this is at least the 30th iteration of this thread in .info history. This topic is just old and beaten to death to me. I guess there will always be some people who are unsatisfied no matter what the band is doing. I have found my Breakfast life to be much more enjoyable and satisfying ever since I learned to support what they are doing rather than get bent about how they should be doing something else. If the Breakfast wants to open for UM, fine. If not, fine.
This is what makes me sick. The self-interest is appalling. Sure you have an enjoyable and satisfying Breakfast life, I (like sooooo many others) on the other hand am starving. Being in the Midwest I can\'t help but feel like the band is treading water just the same as in 2004.
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And people like you who do not support The Breakfast\'s opening acts that do more damage to the band then you realize. It\'s all about you scratch my back.....
If you think I\'m wrong you have no idea how the music business actually works.
So you are saying UM should open for the Breakfast sometime? (The Breakfast has already opened for UM)
And the Breakfast should open for Twiddle sometime?
I don\'t think The Breakfast has opened for UM. Pretty sure it was PB and at the time both bands were waaaay closer in terms of draw. It would be a personal favor if anything at this point and I don\'t think they are that tight.
http://www.thebreakfast.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1749
Setlist: 2004-03-26 - Georgia Theatre; Athens, GA
I: Inner Glimpse, Sleeping Beauty, Beef Barley, Doughboy, Hard Luck Harry > Wild Pack Of Asscracks, Karn Evil 9, Spunk*
* Bass/Drum Solos.
I\'m pretty sure this was the "Introducing The Breakfast" tour and, UM brought a rough 350 heads. It was a great show, and as I said in another post, these two bands work great together.
yeah I do think they were The Breakfast then and UM was in the middle of a huge growth spurt. nice find. I even posted in that thread.
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And people like you who do not support The Breakfast\'s opening acts that do more damage to the band then you realize. It\'s all about you scratch my back.....
If you think I\'m wrong you have no idea how the music business actually works.
So you are saying UM should open for the Breakfast sometime? (The Breakfast has already opened for UM)
And the Breakfast should open for Twiddle sometime?
I don\'t think The Breakfast has opened for UM. Pretty sure it was PB and at the time both bands were waaaay closer in terms of draw. It would be a personal favor if anything at this point and I don\'t think they are that tight.
http://www.thebreakfast.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1749
Setlist: 2004-03-26 - Georgia Theatre; Athens, GA
I: Inner Glimpse, Sleeping Beauty, Beef Barley, Doughboy, Hard Luck Harry > Wild Pack Of Asscracks, Karn Evil 9, Spunk*
* Bass/Drum Solos.
I\'m pretty sure this was the "Introducing The Breakfast" tour and, UM brought a rough 350 heads. It was a great show, and as I said in another post, these two bands work great together.
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any umphrey\'s fans, good time to buy tix for the calvin. I just picked up 3 front row balcony seats on the right side
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yeah i misunderstood and thought someone was recommending that the breakfast should open for twiddle which imo would be rediculous. sorry to hate on twiddle.
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Yeah it must have been back in the PB days when TB opened for UM. It was at the fox theatre here in Colorado, according to Tim... musta been way back.
Twiddle opened for my old band in the showcase lounge at HG 2 years ago and the place sold out... now they are headlining their own shows. The kids can\'t even legally drink yet, I don\'t think, but they sure can attract a crowd somehow. It would be a good deal for the Breakfast to get in with them in terms of HG.
http://www.twiddlemusic.com
If Twiddle does draw good crowds The Breakfast should not be above opening for them if asked and the money is right.
**** twiddle. Sorry but the breakfast should never open for twiddle.
Twiddle has opened for the breakfast at higher ground before, (which is the when i saw them)
That type of attitude does no one any good. If The Breakfast were to get a guarantee and Twiddle can draw. There is no reason for it not to happen.
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i dont think the breakfast should open for twiddle either (i was just reiterating leith\'s point) but they do attract a good crowd. if they opened for the breakfast again it would be huge.
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**** twiddle. Sorry but the breakfast should never open for twiddle.
Twiddle has opened for the breakfast at higher ground before, (which is the when i saw them)
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Yeah it must have been back in the PB days when TB opened for UM. It was at the fox theatre here in Colorado, according to Tim... musta been way back.
Twiddle opened for my old band in the showcase lounge at HG 2 years ago and the place sold out... now they are headlining their own shows. The kids can\'t even legally drink yet, I don\'t think, but they sure can attract a crowd somehow. It would be a good deal for the Breakfast to get in with them in terms of HG.
http://www.twiddlemusic.com
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And people like you who do not support The Breakfast\'s opening acts that do more damage to the band then you realize. It\'s all about you scratch my back.....
If you think I\'m wrong you have no idea how the music business actually works.
So you are saying UM should open for the Breakfast sometime? (The Breakfast has already opened for UM)
And the Breakfast should open for Twiddle sometime?
I don\'t think The Breakfast has opened for UM. Pretty sure it was PB and at the time both bands were waaaay closer in terms of draw. It would be a personal favor if anything at this point and I don\'t think they are that tight.
As for Twiddle I have never even heard of that band except for here so if it were beneficial in terms of draw in Twiddle\'s hometown it would probably be a good thing.
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And people like you who do not support The Breakfast\'s opening acts that do more damage to the band then you realize. It\'s all about you scratch my back.....
If you think I\'m wrong you have no idea how the music business actually works.
So you are saying UM should open for the Breakfast sometime? (The Breakfast has already opened for UM)
And the Breakfast should open for Twiddle sometime?
hey, if it\'s mutually beneficial then i don\'t see why not
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here you go George:
July 7th, 2002 - High Sierra Mountain Music Festival; Quincy, CA
I: Jam* > Willie the Pimp@** > In Memory of Elizabeth Reed@^, Feel Like a Stranger@^^ >
Turn on you Love Light@%, Roadhouse Blues@%%
* Marcus Miller riff; PB on instruments
** Jake Cinniger on guitar (Umphrey\'s Mcgee)
@ Adrian and Eric on Drums (Mountain of Venus)
^ Mike and Jody on guitar (MOV)
^^ Brad on Guitar (Ray\'s Music Exchange), Mike, Tanya on vocals (MOV), Dave on bass (MOV)
% Joel on keys (Umphrey\'s Mcgee), all of MOV
%% John on guitar (Free Peoples), Jody, Mike, Dave (MOV)
SICK! this is on the archive right? Thanks Queeb!
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And people like you who do not support The Breakfast\'s opening acts that do more damage to the band then you realize. It\'s all about you scratch my back.....
If you think I\'m wrong you have no idea how the music business actually works.
So you are saying UM should open for the Breakfast sometime? (The Breakfast has already opened for UM)
And the Breakfast should open for Twiddle sometime?
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Personally, I never go to a show to listen to an opening band... I\'m there to see a headliner, not another band. Often I show up too late, or go somewhere else during the opening slot. OK, so I\'ve been pleasantly surprised for a few openers (like last week - The Bridge) but often it won\'t make me buy their album.
And people like you who do not support The Breakfast\'s opening acts that do more damage to the band then you realize. It\'s all about you scratch my back.....
If you think I\'m wrong you have no idea how the music business actually works.
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here you go George:
July 7th, 2002 - High Sierra Mountain Music Festival; Quincy, CA
I: Jam* > Willie the Pimp@** > In Memory of Elizabeth Reed@^, Feel Like a Stranger@^^ >
Turn on you Love Light@%, Roadhouse Blues@%%
* Marcus Miller riff; PB on instruments
** Jake Cinniger on guitar (Umphrey\'s Mcgee)
@ Adrian and Eric on Drums (Mountain of Venus)
^ Mike and Jody on guitar (MOV)
^^ Brad on Guitar (Ray\'s Music Exchange), Mike, Tanya on vocals (MOV), Dave on bass (MOV)
% Joel on keys (Umphrey\'s Mcgee), all of MOV
%% John on guitar (Free Peoples), Jody, Mike, Dave (MOV)
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if these two bands played together, i would go to every **** show
Me too. I just want to see/ hear Tim and Jake trade licks.
If The Breakfast ever had the opportunity to open for UM they would be stupid not to, be it at Toad\'s or wherefuckinever.
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Umphreys Mcgee = 2 parts unce unce, 1 part whales ****
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if these two bands played together, i would go to every **** show
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i still dont understand how umelt got another headline at rev hall. they must have a good promoter. last show i went to of them was at rev hall for their HEAVILY ADVERTISED halloween show, and there really werent that many people there (probably 350 at absolute best, probably more like 300) and most left before the encore.
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ya, i think more and more i feel like they need to play as much as they can in front of anybody they can. often. always.
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Personally, I never go to a show to listen to an opening band... I\'m there to see a headliner, not another band. Often I show up too late, or go somewhere else during the opening slot. OK, so I\'ve been pleasantly surprised for a few openers (like last week - The Bridge) but often it won\'t make me buy their album.
that\'s you tho, not other people. Alot of people, even if they aren\'t there for the opener, walk in during them. And yes, after last week, I too am going to be downloading some stuff by the bridge
i am one of these people. i ALWAYS check to see who is opening, cause a lot of times they are good. a lot of decisions i make on who far i travel to see a show depends on who is opening. i saw umphreys mcgee last summer last minute 4 hours away becasue i heard yonder mountain string band was opening and i knew they would add to the show. another time i saw them because i heard galactic was opening.
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Personally, I never go to a show to listen to an opening band... I\'m there to see a headliner, not another band. Often I show up too late, or go somewhere else during the opening slot. OK, so I\'ve been pleasantly surprised for a few openers (like last week - The Bridge) but often it won\'t make me buy their album.
but you know the name and you\'ve repeated you liked the music. so around other people who may not have heard them they might be like hey, she thought they were decent, i\'ll give them a free listen.
at the Tea Leaf show in VT they should go over there, make some connections, shake some hands, kiss some babies.
play any gig they can in front of as many people as possible and forget about opening band high horse **** and rep. because it doesn\'t matter to people who have never seen you play before. if these guys want to be financially secure playing music they need to get out in front of people. the LA show is a prime example of this and i\'m sure many good will come out of things like this.
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Personally, I never go to a show to listen to an opening band... I\'m there to see a headliner, not another band. Often I show up too late, or go somewhere else during the opening slot. OK, so I\'ve been pleasantly surprised for a few openers (like last week - The Bridge) but often it won\'t make me buy their album.
that\'s you tho, not other people. Alot of people, even if they aren\'t there for the opener, walk in during them. And yes, after last week, I too am going to be downloading some stuff by the bridge
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Personally, I never go to a show to listen to an opening band... I\'m there to see a headliner, not another band. Often I show up too late, or go somewhere else during the opening slot. OK, so I\'ve been pleasantly surprised for a few openers (like last week - The Bridge) but often it won\'t make me buy their album.
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i think a better idea would be to open for them at higher ground on the 16th. im pretty sure they will be back by then since they have a show 2 days after in northampton. since they have their own gig (probably at the smaller HG venue) about 10 days after, I think opening for UM would turn a lot of heads and get a really solid crowd at their own show on the 25th. plus, they already tore it up on FF9 there.
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There\'s that ego again. This is about connecting with probably the top band in the jamband touring circuit right now. It\'s about helping out a band outside of their primary market with hopes that maybe UM will reciprocate. It\'s about networking. It\'s about band members being invited to jam onstage.
THIS is HOW the band is going to grow!!!
Someone jaming onstage is one thing completely, but I don\'t think they need to be opening for nearly anyone in their hometown. especially when they are playing their own headling show not long after that. But as Todd said it\'s pointless cause they\'re gonna be on the road anyway.
As much as it pains me to agree... I think Joe\'s right. What\'s it going to do, ruin their rep? They have a great rep w/ such a limited group of people, that I\'m not sure it would do that much damage. Everyone else doesn\'t pay enough attention to them for it really to matter.
But you get them onstage at Toad\'s in front of a sold out house, and they\'re bound to turn some new heads, open some new eye\'s and melt some new faces.
but, since they\'re outta town, it doesn\'t even matter.
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We should make it a compilation of the new lineup. Make sure the disc opens with and closes with The Message ;)
as soon as they can split it up that wouldn\'t be a problem. right now i\'m burning
1. breakfast2008-01-26d1t03- Space City Affair.flac
2. breakfast2008-01-26d1t04- Escher\'s Etchings (Parts 1 & 2).flac
3. breakfast2008-01-26d1t05- The World Needs Us.flac
4. breakfast2008-01-11d1t06- Doughboy.flac
5. breakfast2008-01-26d2t03- The Sound.flac
6. breakfast2008-01-26d2t04- Buquebus.flac
7. breakfast2008-01-26d2t07- Cult Of Personality.flac
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We should make it a compilation of the new lineup. Make sure the disc opens with and closes with The Message ;)
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me...
I think this would be a good time to hand out some audio sampler discs as well.
i fully agree. i burn sampler disks all the time but unfortunately they aren\'t as nice as the ones Boozt puts out but they are something right. i always say, "hey it\'s free you want something better buy it." I\'ll start burn cd\'s now
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me...
I think this would be a good time to hand out some audio sampler discs as well.
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I don\'t see any reason.... if they were in town.... to open for UM. for exposure sake alone, just getting in front of a lot of people who dismissed the guys for whatever there reason was. Plus there is a young crowd that are just starting to seriously come out to shows and for them to find out about a band like this in there own backyard..... opening and just getting extra people into the door a couple weeks later for a full two sets would be worth it alone.
that being said, whose gonna go down there to do promo.......
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*sigh* We just did this thread 5 weeks ago. (http://www.thebreakfast.info/forum/showthread.php?t=11563) And this is at least the 30th iteration of this thread in .info history. This topic is just old and beaten to death to me. I guess there will always be some people who are unsatisfied no matter what the band is doing. I have found my Breakfast life to be much more enjoyable and satisfying ever since I learned to support what they are doing rather than get bent about how they should be doing something else. If the Breakfast wants to open for UM, fine. If not, fine.
Anyhow, Ill just repost what I posted 5 weeks ago. I went out on a limb a bit and made the case against opening a tour for a big act. This doesn\'t prove that opening is a bad idea. It might be, it might not. What this does prove, however, is that opening can be a very complex issue. It is far from a "no-brainer". If it were a "no-brainer" then it wouldn\'t be possible to make such a strong case against it.
Two months on the road without headlining a show? Playing 45 minutes a night for 25 shows? That’s a solid quarter or more of the year’s touring schedule without any serious musical accomplishment. How is the band supposed to get any momentum going playing 5 songs a night? Matt and Chris might even forget how to play the tunes. And would we ever see anything like the Middle East/Toad’s/Electric Company run of serness? All that touring and not a single epic set II or encore to show for it. If you’re in a band, you’d have to hate that. I don’t want the guys to go on a tour that they wouldn’t like playing.
How about money? Opening acts get chump change. The band doesn’t need to be driven broke to pick up a couple more fans. They do well enough on their own.
Do we really know for sure that fans of these types of bands even like opening acts? A lot of big bands that The Breakfast might open for almost never have openers. Their fans expect a full night from their band every time. Some will like having an opener. Some won’t. Most won’t care and will show up late or drink in the back without listening.
Would The Breakfast really make more fans doing 6-8 weeks on the road opening for a larger act than they would on their own? I’m not sure. What I am sure of is that they would play a lot less music, build a lot less momentum, and make a lot less money. There are better ways to not headline. Festivals? Absolutely. Late-night afterparties for bigger bands? Yes, please. Opening act? Not worth it.
JKing also made a good post:
to break it down and be completely honest, what the band *really* needs to do is tour. a lot. opening for someone, co-billing with someone, after partying for someone, doesn\'t matter. what matters is that they get on the road and stay there. no more of this one or two months on the road and ten or eleven months of weekend warrioring around the northeast. in fact, if anything (sorry NE\'ers) they need to spend ten or eleven months *outside* of the northeast where potential new ears are. everyone up there has had their chance to heard the band. it seems to me like most people up thataway made their decision about these guys years ago and have no reason/desire to go check out their latest incarnation (which is why toad\'s places doesn\'t keep getting more full), especially since they know they can see the breakfast on pretty much any given weekend if they really want to. get out on the road to new ears who haven\'t had a chance to see the band they may have heard about. and once a tour is done, start scheduling the next one within a month and don\'t let eons pass before they get back out that way. its simple, really. difficult to do, but simple to figure out. tour. tourtourtourtour. tourtourtourtourtourtourtour. not one single jamband has ever made it without spending a year or two on the road nearly non-stop. why does tlg outsell the breakfast in their own hometown? tlg toured like hell. why are um and bisco selling out sizeable places around teh country? why hasn\'t max creek ever really done anything and still can\'t fill up places outside of their hometown? why did barefoot manner have to break up? they didn\'t tour and thus it wasn\'t feasible to be a band any longer. its called putting in your dues. now, this band has paid some hefty dues over the years, but in terms of promoting the band and increasing the fan base, not so much. spend two years on the road and then they can coast with the 70/80 shows a year and less intensive travel. but until then, the same exact frustration will cause these same threads to appear every so often. now, the good part seems to be that this is closer to what the guys seem to have in mind with v4.0. so, they\'ve got that going for them.
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I think it\'s a good idea for all the points mentioned plus they don\'t even have to drive more than a few minutes to get there (they could drive hours somewhere else to play the same show). Playing to the same audience over and over again in New Haven is not going to get enough new people on board. Plus the people may be coming from much farther away than the New Haven suburbs for the UM show. I\'m excited to see them getting back out on the road next month.
I don\'t understand why they would lose face? It\'s an honor/privilege to play with a more popular band.
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how the **** do people from New Haven area like UM and not know about the breakfast by now? THat doesn\'t really seem possible to me.
Because there isn\'t a scene. Whenever I mention the band to locals I get the obligatory, "oh, they\'re still around.. hehe, I remember when they were called Psychedelic Breakfast".
Their reputation is that of a local bar band, not of a developed and up and coming rock band. There is no buzz and no real outlets to create this buzz. The band really has to play their cards right by touring nationally and networking with as many notable acts as possible. As I told Dave at Daniel St, it\'s either **** or get off the pot at this point. Musically they\'re shitting all over the place, but it\'s the marketing, management, booking and promotion that needs to ****!!
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:no: They\'ll still be out of town anyways, but...:no:
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But as Todd said it\'s pointless cause they\'re gonna be on the road anyway.
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This is the biggest no brainer ever!!!
you\'re right it\'s an absolute no brainer.......... they\'re gonna be on the road. no go.
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This is the biggest no brainer ever!!!
Mandler,you aren\'t getting the picture. The Breakfast don\'t pack Toad\'s like they used to. They need all the help they can get. As Sifl said, there will be plenty of local UM fans who haven\'t heard the Breakfast at the show. The band opens, shreds and boom, next Toad\'s show the place is packed....
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how the **** do people from New Haven area like UM and not know about the breakfast by now? THat doesn\'t really seem possible to me.
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Would UM sell out Toads? My guess is probably. Would a lot of UM fans that haven\'t listened to the breakfast get totally turned on to them if they heard them live rockin socks in their hometown? probably. I think the Breakfast would appeal to a lot Umphrees fans and a hometown show means the band would be on point.
I would say this would be a good call
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we\'re opening for sim redmond and u-melt who needs UM
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There\'s that ego again. This is about connecting with probably the top band in the jamband touring circuit right now. It\'s about helping out a band outside of their primary market with hopes that maybe UM will reciprocate. It\'s about networking. It\'s about band members being invited to jam onstage.
THIS is HOW the band is going to grow!!!
Someone jaming onstage is one thing completely, but I don\'t think they need to be opening for nearly anyone in their hometown. especially when they are playing their own headling show not long after that. But as Todd said it\'s pointless cause they\'re gonna be on the road anyway.
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I say they stick to playing doozies at hole in the wall bars in towns with no scene
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I saw the Breakfast open for UM down south in \'04 I think. They put on a great show together. But I gotta agree with Todd, purely because especially at Toad\'s they shouldn\'t be opening for anyone.
Uh when The Breakfast can sell out Toad\'s or even come close in consecutive gigs there maybe your statement could be taken a bit more seriously.
Joe you are correct. It would be very good for the guys if they could ever open for UM.
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There\'s that ego again. This is about connecting with probably the top band in the jamband touring circuit right now. It\'s about helping out a band outside of their primary market with hopes that maybe UM will reciprocate. It\'s about networking. It\'s about band members being invited to jam onstage.
THIS is HOW the band is going to grow!!!
could not agree more.
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dude we are way too hetty for those losers
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There\'s that ego again. This is about connecting with probably the top band in the jamband touring circuit right now. It\'s about helping out a band outside of their primary market with hopes that maybe UM will reciprocate. It\'s about networking. It\'s about band members being invited to jam onstage.
THIS is HOW the band is going to grow!!!
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UM should be opening for them
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I saw the Breakfast open for UM down south in \'04 I think. They put on a great show together. But I gotta agree with Todd, purely because especially at Toad\'s they shouldn\'t be opening for anyone.
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Shaking no as in "bad idea", or no as in "damn shame they aren\'t"?
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:no: They\'ll still be out of town anyways, but...:no:
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at Toad\'s place, April 13th, that is unless they\'re still on the road. If not, booking should get on this stat!!!