General Discussions => Tribal Funk Affliction => Topic started by: ds673488 on December 04, 2007, 01:08:33 pm
Title: Frank Zappa as a Guitarist
Post by: DocEllis70 on May 13, 2008, 02:44:53 pm
Zappa= Hard worker and Risk taker
too lazy to post a link to all the zappa wah posted in the Legal DL thread, but i recommend anyone who hasnt heard Roxy and Elsewhere or any of the albums for that matter to take advantage of that thread
Title: Frank Zappa as a Guitarist
Post by: peaches626 on May 13, 2008, 01:55:23 pm
Nice, Boozie.
Title: Frank Zappa as a Guitarist
Post by: booztravlr on May 13, 2008, 12:26:50 pm
Title: Frank Zappa as a Guitarist
Post by: Mark on December 06, 2007, 09:49:27 pm
Zappa=One of a kind.
Title: Frank Zappa as a Guitarist
Post by: Ant-Man on December 06, 2007, 07:36:40 pm
Quote from: Spunk;171436
um i could live without JG (travesty)
Zappa wasnt too jazzy of a guitarist, he played a lot of pentatonic, but kinda hung out on the 9th a lot, he wrote all sorts of crazy ****, I think he was the first Rockstar, and one of the first rock guitarists who did something progressive andoutside of the norm.... I mean John Mclaughlin was out at around the same time, and he was way jazzier and just as progressive, and more shreddin
ya, leith i\'m am totally convinced your completely out of your element now bud...
zappa = composer/arranger father of rock n roll...wish he focused more on his full band arrangements rather than the crazy vocals...
and for greatest i have to give it to hendrix only cause he pioneered it all, and sailed us outta the 12 bar stuff...
Title: Frank Zappa as a Guitarist
Post by: ds673488 on December 06, 2007, 05:48:40 pm
the issue with "greatest guitarist of all time" that comes into play is that the greatest guitar player of all time probaby/almost certainly was not in any sort of a famous band. in fact, he probably was rarely in bands at all because no one else could follow his lines. Have you guys ever heard shawn lane? i recently started listening to his stuff, and i dont know if he was ever in a band, but his guitar playing is unbelievable. check him out on youtube. ive also always said suke serulo from schleigho is one of the greatest players...his lines are NEVER in any set key whatsoever, never following ANY previously drawn out scale, and absolutely blazing fast and all over the place. check him out too if you havent already.
this topic should be the greatest "Rock" guitar player of all time, in that case the choices are smaller, easier to choose from.
Title: Frank Zappa as a Guitarist
Post by: sallyalli on December 06, 2007, 05:11:41 pm
c\'mon, thats it? i don\'t care what they say, i think you\'re a good guy ;) -face
ps i\'d like to hear those discs of prime time jerry shreddin, if you make it out to any of these last shows. peace brotha
Title: Frank Zappa as a Guitarist
Post by: leith on December 06, 2007, 12:04:19 am
Quote from: Lexington;171757
Quote from: leith;171422
Anyone who thinks Jerry Garcia\'s "skills" were lacking has no real clue. His guitar work is impeccable on so many studio works non GD or JGB related (over 50) you probably do not even know he is on. Before he began his lifetime Chase of the Dragon there could def. be a case made that he was THE Guitar Player on the scene.
EVERYBODY wanted to play with Jerry. Why? Because he shredded!!!!!!! I have a few discs of non GD related jams that Jerry is simply smoking fools on.
To say Zappa or Tim has more "skills" than Jerry Garcia is to me a statement made in ignorance. To say that both Zappa and Tim\'s technical styles are superior to Jerry\'s would just be a different debate that would have a lot more merit.
look guy, jerry and trey. both were sick in their heyday, no denying that. both succumbeed to grimetime drug abuse and fizzled the **** out, no denying that. both made their band mates embarrased that they couldn\'t even play the shitthat they wrote. i never said that jerrry\'s skills were lacking, but by god frank zappa is so much more "technically superior" that its silly. jerry has always been one of my fave musicians, as asong writer, soloist and **** cultural icon. as far as guitar playing goes, FZ pwned.
my top 10 (in no order, subject to change) jon mcglaughlin FZ django lenny breau wes montgomery tpalms john mayor (real dick) stanley jordan trey jerry hendrix kenny burrell
ok i let my personal preferences get in the way, sue me. and i can\'t count
okay cool
Title: Frank Zappa as a Guitarist
Post by: Lexington on December 05, 2007, 11:51:11 pm
Quote from: leith;171422
Anyone who thinks Jerry Garcia\'s "skills" were lacking has no real clue. His guitar work is impeccable on so many studio works non GD or JGB related (over 50) you probably do not even know he is on. Before he began his lifetime Chase of the Dragon there could def. be a case made that he was THE Guitar Player on the scene.
EVERYBODY wanted to play with Jerry. Why? Because he shredded!!!!!!! I have a few discs of non GD related jams that Jerry is simply smoking fools on.
To say Zappa or Tim has more "skills" than Jerry Garcia is to me a statement made in ignorance. To say that both Zappa and Tim\'s technical styles are superior to Jerry\'s would just be a different debate that would have a lot more merit.
look guy, jerry and trey. both were sick in their heyday, no denying that. both succumbeed to grimetime drug abuse and fizzled the **** out, no denying that. both made their band mates embarrased that they couldn\'t even play the shitthat they wrote. i never said that jerrry\'s skills were lacking, but by god frank zappa is so much more "technically superior" that its silly. jerry has always been one of my fave musicians, as asong writer, soloist and **** cultural icon. as far as guitar playing goes, FZ pwned.
my top 10 (in no order, subject to change) jon mcglaughlin FZ django lenny breau wes montgomery tpalms john mayor (real dick) stanley jordan trey jerry hendrix kenny burrell
ok i let my personal preferences get in the way, sue me. and i can\'t count
Title: Frank Zappa as a Guitarist
Post by: Spunk on December 04, 2007, 06:42:17 pm
um i could live without JG (travesty)
Zappa wasnt too jazzy of a guitarist, he played a lot of pentatonic, but kinda hung out on the 9th a lot, he wrote all sorts of crazy ****, I think he was the first Rockstar, and one of the first rock guitarists who did something progressive andoutside of the norm.... I mean John Mclaughlin was out at around the same time, and he was way jazzier and just as progressive, and more shreddin
Title: Frank Zappa as a Guitarist
Post by: leith on December 04, 2007, 05:46:05 pm
Anyone who thinks Jerry Garcia\'s "skills" were lacking has no real clue. His guitar work is impeccable on so many studio works non GD or JGB related (over 50) you probably do not even know he is on. Before he began his lifetime Chase of the Dragon there could def. be a case made that he was THE Guitar Player on the scene.
EVERYBODY wanted to play with Jerry. Why? Because he shredded!!!!!!! I have a few discs of non GD related jams that Jerry is simply smoking fools on.
To say Zappa or Tim has more "skills" than Jerry Garcia is to me a statement made in ignorance. To say that both Zappa and Tim\'s technical styles are superior to Jerry\'s would just be a different debate that would have a lot more merit.
Title: Frank Zappa as a Guitarist
Post by: siflandollie on December 04, 2007, 05:45:41 pm
his improvisational style of soloing was so ill too. i would say his solos sound more sincere to me than any one else\'s... that is he knew what he was trying to express with the solo and went about expressing himself spot on in that moment. I think his musical knowledge helped with this alot, I know he has been quoted as saying he views his guitar solos as improvised compositional pieces.
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Post by: Kaliguitar on December 04, 2007, 05:31:08 pm
Highly underated.....what made Zappa so great IMO is that he owned his unique style.
Name another who sounded like him....I can\'t.
Title: Frank Zappa as a Guitarist
Post by: SlimPickens on December 04, 2007, 05:17:49 pm
Quote from: Lexington;171389
i would rank both in the top 10 best guitarists ever, and i think both own the shnot outta trey or jerry as far a pure skill is concerned (sorry boys, much love of course)
Jer & Trey were/are both such students of the guitar, they know the instrument at a level that most rock guitarists only dream of.
I think Jerry\'s love of opiates took away from his abilities
Trey can rip... I\'m not sure if anyone in a top 10 list can own the schnot outta someone else in that top 10.
I\'d be interested in reading this top 10 list.
Title: Frank Zappa as a Guitarist
Post by: Yoda on December 04, 2007, 04:55:14 pm
This is a though up for discussion, but knowing how much of an influence Zappa has/had on Tim, I think that he might shy away from people saying that he\'s a better guitarist than Zappa. Just my two cents.
Title: Frank Zappa as a Guitarist
Post by: SlimPickens on December 04, 2007, 04:48:00 pm
I\'m not a huge Zappa fan, but IMO he\'s one of the all time great rock guitar soloists.
What always impressed me was his ability to rip a great solo w/out frequently falling into the typical trap of getting outta control and resorting to big climatic note bends... the crowd pleasers. He was able to translate that incredible song composition talents into his solo\'s resulting in some tasty stuff... a man of true capability.
Title: Frank Zappa as a Guitarist
Post by: Lexington on December 04, 2007, 04:31:09 pm
Quote from: ds673488;171376
i agree with ya spunk...i was waiting for someone else to say this...dont get me wrong, hes a great guitar player, but i would put his composing way over his guitar ability.
i would actually say tim is a better guitar soloist than zappa, if they went head to head
zappa was way more jazz influenced than tpalms. if you\'re into straight up rock guitar (and face melting most intense jams ever) than tpalms owns. FZ had a much jazzier style, imo that said... i would rank both in the top 10 best guitarists ever, and i think both own the shnot outta trey or jerry as far a pure skill is concerned (sorry boys, much love of course)
Title: Frank Zappa as a Guitarist
Post by: jking on December 04, 2007, 04:12:19 pm
and definitely a better composer than guitarist (and i think he said/thought the same), but still a great guitarist, that\'s fer dayum sure!!!
Title: Frank Zappa as a Guitarist
Post by: Jim Cobb on December 04, 2007, 03:21:29 pm
i\'d say his talent and skill as an arranger might be what impresses me the most.
Title: Frank Zappa as a Guitarist
Post by: ds673488 on December 04, 2007, 02:44:21 pm
i agree with ya spunk...i was waiting for someone else to say this...dont get me wrong, hes a great guitar player, but i would put his composing way over his guitar ability.
i would actually say tim is a better guitar soloist than zappa, if they went head to head
Title: Frank Zappa as a Guitarist
Post by: Spunk on December 04, 2007, 02:40:34 pm
um better composer then guitarist definitly played cool ****, mad respect
Title: Frank Zappa as a Guitarist
Post by: ds673488 on December 04, 2007, 01:51:17 pm
Quote from: Gfunk;171366
He wasn\'t afraid to play "the ugly notes"
def one of the first guitar players to do this and make it sound good. jimi hendrix is another in that era that comes to mind.
Title: Frank Zappa as a Guitarist
Post by: Gfunk on December 04, 2007, 01:41:46 pm
Zappa = genius guitar player. He wasn\'t afraid to play "the ugly notes" One of the alltime greats imo.
Title: Frank Zappa as a Guitarist
Post by: leith on December 04, 2007, 01:36:40 pm
Improvising Shredder with an Ear that could catch anything.
Title: Frank Zappa as a Guitarist
Post by: ds673488 on December 04, 2007, 01:08:33 pm
Please Discuss...id like to hear what everyones opiions are.