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Breakfast Babble => The Grand Scheme Of Things => Topic started by: Igziabeher on October 02, 2007, 05:51:35 am
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weird. I didn\'t know Ansonia was considered Connecticut\'s red headed step child.
But for real I thought people would be crashing the gates of that little venue down there.
Welll anyway I\'m not letting that go down for Northampton. Heavy Postage == last night. Rain == today... so more Heavy Postage == in order.
I am "making" so many people go to this. People understand that while I do not really celebrate my birthday, I do indeed celebrate homecoming Breakfast shows.
If SER doozage IE. the last time Breakfast came to Iron Horse occurs... it will be no fault of mine!
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People think Ansonia is on the other side of the state when in fact it\'s less than 20 minutes away. Not a bad drive at all!
People don\'t drive to the Valley.
True.
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I dunno there was mad few ppl at Cafe Osiris.... I thought that was supposed to be Breakfast home turf. On a Saturday night? What gives.
I think they have a ways to go yet...
People don\'t drive to the Valley.
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I dunno there was mad few ppl at Cafe Osiris.... I thought that was supposed to be Breakfast home turf. On a Saturday night? What gives.
I think they have a ways to go yet...
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Breakfast is already "successful". This, I based on two factors:
1.) The band-the machine: you need to have a well oiled machine with dedicated members and goals. A little bird once told me "playing music is easy, getting the band together is the hard part." OK, they have that.
2.) Fans/response: consistent #\'s at shows, people who keep coming to your shows, peoples\' heads turn away from "the game" that\'s on the TV at the bar, people who buy your CD\'s not "just to be nice".
That part they have as well...this forum is proof!
You kinda need both to consider a "success". You can have #1, but if no one give a flying **** about your band, I wouldn\'t consider (just) THAT successful.
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it\'s all been said already, but there is this thing called living expenses and as you grow up and start thinking about what you want to work towards in your life, you realize that, right or wrong, you need to make some sort of money if you want to live with any degree of comfort and financial security. if we want these guys to be able to continue doing what their doing, they need to be making some sort of financial progress. the investment must have some sort of return, otherwise they won\'t be able to afford to keep doing it. i dont think any of the guys are independently wealthy, so financial success is indeed important to the future of the breakfast.
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lay off, i\'m high on alka seltzer.
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Hell yeah they need to succeed. More success = more people eating Breakfast. More people = bigger venues. Bigger venues = better light rigs. Better light rigs = the goal = success. I\'m in it for the lights, they attract unicorns.
OMG that is hilarious.
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Hell yeah they need to succeed. More success = more people eating Breakfast. More people = bigger venues. Bigger venues = better light rigs. Better light rigs = the goal = success. I\'m in it for the lights, they attract unicorns.
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I think the world of star wars is probably more real to him than the world of 9-5.
:lol:
my thoughts exactly.
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i flat out gaurantee that adrians idea of what he needs is about to change like many of you have never imagined. trust me on this.
Totally.
Exactly.
This I fear.
Fear indeed.
Of course this band needs to be successful. No offense, but what a stupid question!
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I think the world of star wars is probably more real to him than the world of 9-5.
anyway I haven\'t read this whole thread so it\'s prolly been said already but musically they are already successful and I am sure they want financial success or at least stability because hey who doesn\'t but I don\'t think it is needed for them to continue playing for a long time.
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He\'s still in it for the long haul.
He has to be. He is a musician.
Has Adrian ever seen the world of reality that requires going to work daily?
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He\'s still in it for the long haul.
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i flat out gaurantee that adrians idea of what he needs is about to change like many of you have never imagined. trust me on this.
Totally.
Exactly.
This I fear.
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i flat out gaurantee that adrians idea of what he needs is about to change like many of you have never imagined. trust me on this.
Totally.
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i flat out gaurantee that adrians idea of what he needs is about to change like many of you have never imagined. trust me on this.
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yeah, you\'re right. they are successful, and always have been in their own way. no band makes it to 1000 gigs w/o at least doing something right. the word is definitely thrown around a lot around here and what everyone considers it to be is all relative. that being said, i think they\'re on the right track. and that track involves them being happy and content w/ whatever may come their way, and with that they will become even more successful because the product they offer has that intangible quality that bands out there just don\'t seem to grasp.
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Igz you\'re living in a world of Unicorns and Rainbows if you think they can continue on just "being the band" man. I can gather what you mean but dude we have been over this so so many times
was there a point in their career so far that they were more popular than they are now? Is the present day the most popular part of their career? I guess what im asking is...is there a gradual increase in the size and scope of the Breakfast\'s following, or is it pretty constant?
YES. They used to have crowds over 200+ consistently in California and other places, hopefully within a year this will be the norm again.
I have been seeing this band for a long time and if you throw festival appearances out when was the last time you saw 200+ people at a bfast show ?
March 29th, 2006 - Winston\'s; San Diego, CA
The last West Coast tour as a four piece had an average of 75-100 over 7 shows with the average being skewed of course by the above date which is indicative of The Breakfast\'s appearances in San Diego since the end of 2003 except when they played as a Trio in which they still pulled about 125-150.
Not to start anything but to see the band\'s popularity skyrocket and plummet in this market was a major source of my dissatisfaction which I so blatantly posted about in the past year or so.
I see no reason their popularity out here cannot reach these levels again or even if I am off on numbers exceed them.
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Define success. Musically they are successful as far as I am concerned. Their music moves me and I love listening to it all the time....they\'re musicially successful in my eyes.
Financial success??? Ask the band...don\'t you think they want to just play music? No lessons, or $100 bar gigs.....don\'t you think they would rather just play great shows with great music, be creative and not worry about paying the rent.
Or is success 1,000,000 units sold...mansions, yachts, cars,.....
The band can only define what success means to them.
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Igz you\'re living in a world of Unicorns and Rainbows if you think they can continue on just "being the band" man. I can gather what you mean but dude we have been over this so so many times
was there a point in their career so far that they were more popular than they are now? Is the present day the most popular part of their career? I guess what im asking is...is there a gradual increase in the size and scope of the Breakfast\'s following, or is it pretty constant?
YES. They used to have crowds over 200+ consistently in California and other places, hopefully within a year this will be the norm again.
I have been seeing this band for a long time and if you throw festival appearances out when was the last time you saw 200+ people at a bfast show ?
I honestly haven\'t seen the crowd sizes go in either direction except recently. Matt\'s addition to the band seems to have awoken some of us and gotten us out to shows. I think the folks we saw less of during the 3 piece are back on board for the most part.
This community has always been rather tight knit, it seems to be growing now slowly but growing. I think this is probably the best momentum I have seen since I started following the band and a it seems taht the biz side of things has improved as well.
The recent mid west shows, the acoustic shows, the Brahlington Freakout. Everything is looking up at least as far as I know.
But to answer your question. Yes i think the band needs to be successful financially especially if we want to continue to be able to enjoy what you described in your post. But I would say that the have already been successful in bringing music and enjoyment to countless numbers of people (myself included) around the country and that is something money cannot buy
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Igz you\'re living in a world of Unicorns and Rainbows if you think they can continue on just "being the band" man. I can gather what you mean but dude we have been over this so so many times
Colorful trees the autumn breeze blows free
Peace and love surrounding me
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Igz you\'re living in a world of Unicorns and Rainbows if you think they can continue on just "being the band" man. I can gather what you mean but dude we have been over this so so many times
was there a point in their career so far that they were more popular than they are now? Is the present day the most popular part of their career? I guess what im asking is...is there a gradual increase in the size and scope of the Breakfast\'s following, or is it pretty constant?
YES. They used to have crowds over 200+ consistently in California and other places, hopefully within a year this will be the norm again.
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yeah, matt\'s addition really adds a new dimension to the band...Funny enough, the 3 times ive seen them have all been with different lineups. All three were awesome, but this last show blew the other 2 away. Ive been spreading the good word as much as possible.
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fairly constant, they lost a bunch of folks with the loss of Jordan but hoping once those folks hear Matt they\'ll be back and then some. just gotta get people to shows!
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was there a point in their career so far that they were more popular than they are now? Is the present day the most popular part of their career? I guess what im asking is...is there a gradual increase in the size and scope of the Breakfast\'s following, or is it pretty constant?
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I hope not! We don\'t want them to jump the shark
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With the addition of Matt to the band the Sex appeal factor has gone up so far... it\'s only a matter of time before people will be talking about the Breakfast with the likes of Kanye and Diddy, Gwen Stefani etc.
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i totally hear what you\'re saying. no one is trying to seclude this band to just us, its just the hand we have been dealt more often than not. success to you, may not be success to me, may not be the same success ron spears thinks and even tpalms may have a different opinion of what success really is. thats why i think, the primary goal is not to be a successful band, but to just be the band. to go out there as they have been and do their thing to the best of their capabilities and be happy with that. thats when and where the breakfast is gonna become as successful as possible. when they put their personal goals of success behind the groups goal to perform and enjoy eachother and us, and what have you. if the band\'s primary goal is to enjoy themselves, focus on their music, use good business decision making and "let the good times roll" then wouldn\'t success yield itself at some point or another?
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we\'ve had our ups and downs, and some of us have fallen on our face
sorry gregg....had to fix that for ya. ;)
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Let\'s boil this down to simplest degree. We all have jobs that pay for our bills/financial/personal needs. The band does what they do to achieve the same results. In order for them to continue doing this as we all would like them to, they need to succeed in gaining more ground and becoming more popular. I know that there are some that want to keep The Breakfast as their band, but that\'s not fair to the band and to potential fans. We should want them to grow to their full potential. If they don\'t continue to grown and be more successfull, I guarrantee, there will come a point in their carreer where they will have to seriously consider whether continuing as is, is the right decision for them. For that reason, we should all want and try and help them continue to succeed and grow as we all know that they can.
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don\'t you have fish to count? ;)
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we should institute communism. Then they wouldn\'t need to make any money in order to survive, the state would provide for them and they could play as much as they wanted.
what a taint
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we should institute communism. Then they wouldn\'t need to make any money in order to survive, the state would provide for them and they could play as much as they wanted.
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Ok, Yoda, I see your point in that regard.
I hear ya Igz, and I feel they need to make it doing their own thing, no matter what other bands have done...but I am talking more on the level of how good it could get if they could hold their head above water...that is what I want for them more than anything. I wish they had no other worries in the world than their goal of making The Breakfast the biggest thing since sliced bread.
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I hear ya walshie, but its all about the presentation. i could hear klout go on and on all day about they have to do this, or leith be like well tea leaf green does that, and thats what the breakfast need to do. or joe or somebody else will come on and say hey if you guys are gonna succeed, your gonna have to stop playing this type of music and strictly play this or whathaveyou(as gavin would tell you). and big ups to all them for caring and having their opinions, but lets face it:
the breakfast don\'t have to do anything, but be themselves, and we don\'t have to do anything but enjoy it. once thats all squared away, people will be like \'hey these **** kids know how to handle their business and enjoy themselves\' "what are they doing that we\'re missing out on, and why do we need that?" yadda yadda yadda shaboom shebang.
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They wouldn\'t have needed to add Matt and Jordan might still have been with the band
I agree with everything you said except for this. Matt and Jordan leaving have NOTHING to do with each other(outside of haveing an open space for Mtt bc Jordan was no longer there). How by not succeeding would Jordan still be with the band???
My thought (and this is only my thought) is that if they didn\'t care about success, then they most likely would play on the weekends and would have other jobs to earn a living. I don\'t know why Jordan left, but couldn\'t it be possible that if Jordan had another job and it didn\'t interfere with the weekend playing, then he might not have left the band. That being said, Matt sounds great from the shows that I\'ve heard.
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if we want it to continue, then yes, i think they need to succeed.
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They wouldn\'t have needed to add Matt and Jordan might still have been with the band
I agree with everything you said except for this. Matt and Jordan leaving have NOTHING to do with each other(outside of haveing an open space for Mtt bc Jordan was no longer there). How by not succeeding would Jordan still be with the band???
I hear what your saying Igz, but if it could happen sooner, and the boys could stop having to worry about making ends meet(not saying blowing up, just getting comfortable), then they might get even better quicker by being able to focus on their craft in a band setting...i.e. less Timmy Tour shows to pay bills, etc. Imagine if all they had to do was practice, record and tour. Imagine them not having to pack hot sweaty ass into a van and having a reanted tour bus for a tour, i.e. Biscuits, Umph, etc. I wish everyday that these friends of ours could make it to at least that level for their sake mentally and physically.
I love these guys and all of you BFam out there!:beerban:
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This is really a loaded post. I don\'t think that there\'s a right way to answer, but I think if you asked the band,"Does this band need to succeed?", I think that they would answer hell yeah. I don\'t think that $$$ is the only way they could succeed, but I think that\'s one of the things that they\'re trying to accomplish.
If they weren\'t trying to succeed:
- They would still be named Psychedelic Breakfast
- They would only play in the Northeast and not try to play new markets
- They would not continually put out new studio material
- They wouldn\'t have needed to add Matt and Jordan might still have been with the band
In my personal opinion, they do need to succeed or this has all been one big party, which is all well and good. But once you\'re done with education and are in the working world, and you need to support yourself and maybe a family, I think success is exactly what they are looking for.
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you are completely correct greg. and while i don´t see this band ever becoming a money making machine... i wish for the sake of the music and the members of the band that they are able to continue making music for many years to come with a viable income. that is to say, i think in the grand scheme of things that this band is probably in the higher percentages of successful bands in terms of finances. just think of all the bands that have come and gone during the tenure of PB. in the words of chubbs "we´ve only just begun".
one thing though that i must also point out, which i think is in congruence with your post igzy, is that i think alot of times on this board and amongst the fanbase, people worry too much about when this band is gonna blow up and become "successful". this overshadows (at times) and underminds the amazing successes they have already reached such as winning a jammy, playing some of the nations biggest festivals, and creating and evovling some of the most inspiring art i´ve ever witnessed. (to name a just few) i usually opt not to read or partake in such threads discussing success on a financial level, but i think you have put it in an insightful way, and wonder if anyone can make an argument against what you have said. i doubt it.
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For the past however many years each of us have ascended on a journey. we each stumbled upon something that we found unique and loved and was proud to call our own and embrace. all of us came together, and when that happened we in turn made the bonds that make us a family as thick as any birth canal. not a single one person on here can tell me that their lives have had many better moments than the times we\'ve shared with eachother and came together and shared an energy that no other fanbase will ever know. we\'ve had our ups and downs, and been kicked in the face, and all that jazz, but we held on tight to our band because we knew that with all the right ingredients and the stars are all aligned they are the greatest band on the planet. so with all that said do we need the breakfast to be financially successful for their 1000 plus shows and times spent with us to be a success on so many levels that no amount of dollar bills could ever count?
i didn\'t think so. but it\'d be cool as **** if they did.