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General Discussions => Spunk => Topic started by: davepeck on September 10, 2007, 11:57:22 am
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Well, the cop was definitely a prick and definitely out of line, but that kid is an idiot. He was obviously trying to provoke the officer, while trying to seem innocuous enough. I can;t help but think that the fact that he had all of these cameras, a scanner, etc. indicate that he is going around hoping for these opportunities and making the most out of them that he can. Yes, we have to stand up for our rights. But these officers do have a job to do, one which can be stressful at times, and it is foolish to push them. If he HAD been a criminal, and the cop hadn\'t stopped him, and then he had broken into some cars or something, everyone would have torn the cop up, wondering why he hadn\'t bothered to check out a car pulling into a commuter lot at TWO AM. Honestly, I don\'t think the cop was out of line in pulling him over. Obviously threatening to make up charges is totally unacceptable. It\'s not excusable, but it is reasonable to expect someone to snap when you push at them. If he had told the guy what he was really doing, everything probably would have been fine. There is no reason to not assume that the officer was initially just trying to do his job.
I agree that one should stick up for oneself, and know one\'s rights. But this kid didn\'t just use his right to remain silent. He gently poked and prodded at the cop throughout the whole conversation. That\'s foolish, and I think it is pretty clear that he was trying to get a rise out of the officer.
That kid also does not know the law that well. Under the constitution, there is no spelled out "right to provacy." It\'s a common misconception.
That being said, **** the police.
Actually considering the kid had previously been assaulted by an off duty officer he was smart to rig his car.
And pushing the cop as you call it was him simply not offering up information that he didn\'t want to offer nor does he have to.
Also being pulled over and asked for ID for no reason other than what the cop manufactured after the fact is totally ridiculous. The cop went from 0 to hostile in less than 1 answer. The kid drove in and parked in a commuter lot. It wasn\'t more than 20 seconds before the cop decided to have a confrontation with this kid who wasn\'t out of his car, wasn\'t doing anything.
Also there was nothing to prevent the police officer from staying in his cruiser and watching. Which had he done that would have realized this kid wasn\'t doing anything and he wouldn\'t be looking at charges (hopefully) Also the cop states the parking lot was empty so what car was he supposed to be robbing. Prior crimes committed in a location is not probable cause to stop and search and detain and arrest people for nothing.
There are no laws about driving at 2AM. If there was a law which stated no one in the commuter lot after a certain time thats different but that is not the case here.
This is a very typically interaction with police when people don\'t kiss their ass and know a thing or 2 about there rights. He was arrested. unlawfully. Period. There is NO justification for that.
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Well, the cop was definitely a prick and definitely out of line, but that kid is an idiot. He was obviously trying to provoke the officer, while trying to seem innocuous. I can\'t help but think that the fact that he had all of these cameras, a scanner, etc. indicate that he probably is going around hoping for these opportunities and making the most out of them that he can. Yes, we have to stand up for our rights. But these officers do have a job to do, one which can be stressful at times, and it is foolish to push them. If he HAD been a criminal, and the cop hadn\'t stopped him, and then he had broken into some cars or something, everyone would have torn that cop up, wondering why he hadn\'t bothered to check out a car pulling into a commuter lot at TWO AM. Honestly, I don\'t think the cop was out of line in pulling him over.
Obviously threatening to make up charges is totally unacceptable. That, asking the kid to step out of the car for no reason, and the search were all way out of line.
At the same time, it\'s not excusable, but it is reasonable to expect someone to snap when you push at them. This holds especially true for someone in a position of regularly dealing wth criminals, some of whom are a threat to their safety. If he had told the guy what he was really doing, everything probably would have been fine. If he hadn\'t, he would have still had his cameras rolling so it would have been documented. There is no reason to not assume that the officer was initially just trying to do his job. That kid clearly tried to take the whole affair as far as he could without blantantly inciminating himself.
I agree that one should stick up for oneself, and know one\'s rights. But this kid didn\'t just use his right to remain silent. He gently poked and prodded at the cop throughout the whole conversation. That\'s foolish, and I think it is pretty clear that he was trying to get a rise out of the officer.
That kid also does not know the law that well. Under the constitution, there is no spelled out "right to privacy." It\'s a common misconception. http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/rightofprivacy.html (http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/rightofprivacy.html)
That being said, **** the police.
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And I would imagine that the video was captured by the Officers dash cam. If so the cop is even dumber than his actions because it is all on tape.
i\'m sure there was video captured by the officer\'s dash cam, but the audio/video in the article was actually captured from inside the kid\'s car.
(not sure if you read/watched it, or already knew that.. just pointing it out.)
Nah I just read the above.
The problem with law enforcement is that those smart enough to do the job correctly do not and those that do well you get the idea.
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:hscratch: Why the hell was this guy videotaping himself driving?! :confused:
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i like this line:
My job is to conduct my career and my job. Okay?
:lol:
sir, yes sir.
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And I would imagine that the video was captured by the Officers dash cam. If so the cop is even dumber than his actions because it is all on tape.
i\'m sure there was video captured by the officer\'s dash cam, but the audio/video in the article was actually captured from inside the kid\'s car.
(not sure if you read/watched it, or already knew that.. just pointing it out.)
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cleary a pissed off cop but who talks back to cops? anyone who wants to see the wrath of cops. lesson - don\'t talk back to cops. give them what they ask for and thats it. unless you have secured cameras recording to remote servers somewhere...........
hate to argue with ya but dead wrong.
You have to protect your rights. If you don\'t they go away. And we have so very few of them left.
Kid wasn\'t doing anything and should have never been approached by this officer. If he hadn\'t stuck up for himself this cop would be doing it again to someone else. And I would imagine that the video was captured by the Officers dash cam. If so the cop is even dumber than his actions because it is all on tape.
Most cops will push the boundaries of what they can and cannot get away with. If you let them they will screw you to a wall. They are not your friends and they are not going "to go easier on you if you cooperate."
Saying nothing is your best bet. Once you waive your rights they gotcha.
Not to mention in this article this cops illegally searched the kid after pulling him out of the car. Thats a civil rights violation.
But If we have learned anything it is that this cop will probably face 0 charges or reprimands from his precinct.
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Brett: I just had a bad night officer.
Officer #1: You know what? You don\'t take it out on me. You don\'t never take it out on a cop cause we will ruin your career and life and everything else you have coming before you. Okay?
:wah:
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cleary a pissed off cop but who talks back to cops? anyone who wants to see the wrath of cops. lesson - don\'t talk back to cops. give them what they ask for and thats it. unless you have secured cameras recording to remote servers somewhere...........
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sounds like it coulds been officer Farva.
haha.
its just a cop abusing his power.
what else is new
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sounds like it coulds been officer Farva.
haha.
its just a cop abusing his power.
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sounds like it coulds been officer Farva.
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the majority of cops are dicks! above the law, roided up meatheads. i think i\'m gonna carry a video camera in my car from now on and see what kind of attitude they give you
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wow, i\'ve been drunk as a skunk and speeding and still been let go by a missouri cop, before... guess i got the right cop!
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how boutta ham sandwich?
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That\'s Missouri police for ya. Ser Pricks in that state.
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A St. George, Missouri police officer is caught on tape threatening to invent charges to arrest a motorist for parking after hours.
A motorist who refused to discuss his personal business with a St. George, Missouri police officer was threatened with arrest last Friday. Brett Darrow, 20, no stranger to unconventional encounters with police, caught a St. George Police Sergeant named Kenline stating that he had the power to invent charges that would put Darrow behind bars.
"Try and talk back... to me again," yelled Sergeant Kenline. "I bet I could say you resisted arrest or something. You want to come up with something? I come up with nine things."
The incident began at around 2am. Darrow was to meet a friend who was working late and was going to pick him up. Darrow headed toward a 24-hour commuter parking lot in an unincorporated part of Saint Louis County in his 1997 Nissan Maxima. He put on his turn signal and entered the lot which, aside from Kenline\'s cruiser, was essentially vacant. After stopping the car, the police officer approached and began questioning Darrow about what he was doing. When Darrow declined to discuss his personal business, the police sergeant exploded. Although the video clearly shows Darrow driving properly and using his turn signal, the police officer insisted that Darrow had broken the law.
"Oh, while you were coming towards me you were swerving back and forth within the roadway," Sergeant Kenline said. "I might give you a ticket for that. You want me to come up with some more? When you turned in, you failed to use your turn signal, your right turn signal."
Without the video, Darrow points out that he would have stood no chance disproving the officer\'s word in court. Twenty-eight percent of the St. George municipal budget comes from traffic citations. Darrow wonders how many of the tickets were legitimate.
"Looking into this guys eyes, he was crazy," Darrow said. "I was really scared he was going to assault me. I just wonder how many other people have been arrested on these charges."
After ordering Darrow against the car and searching him, Sergeant Kenline released the motorist.
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/19/1961.asp
click the link and watch the video. cop is a MAJOR prick.