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General Discussions => Tribal Funk Affliction => Topic started by: davepeck on July 31, 2007, 10:03:15 am
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See I always viewed Riot act as a low point.
because your an **** looking to start ****. Don\'t you have a Blackie Motor Cycle Racing Club CD you need to listen to?
eat a d umpah fucker!
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See I always viewed Riot act as a low point.
because your an **** looking to start ****. Don\'t you have a Blackie Motor Cycle Racing Club CD you need to listen to?
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See I always viewed Riot act as a low point.
because your an **** looking to start ****. Don\'t you have a Blackie Motor Cycle Racing Club CD you need to listen to?
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See I always viewed Riot act as a low point.
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I feel they peaked with Vitalogy, then hinted at improvement with Riot Act.
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since the fire is burning bright...pearl jam peaked at no code. that album was too good for their own good. everything they have done in the studio since then cannot compare. this is all my opinion, of course.
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It was also in Newsweek, Rolling Stone and various other publications. Relix merely capitalized a few sensationalistic statements made several years ago.
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They also said that PJ used the GD stage in Chicago after the Deads last show.
I have the Relix mag, if you want to read it Slim.
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I need to see the context they said it in
I think it was in a relix mag (the one with PJ on the cover). I remember reading that too
It was referring to the fans that follow them cross country/Europe every tour (i think)
In that context it\'s still an amazing stretch. Relix is a bastion of journalistic integrity
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I need to see the context they said it in
I think it was in a relix mag (the one with PJ on the cover). I remember reading that too
It was referring to the fans that follow them cross country/Europe every tour (i think)
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I need to see the context they said it in
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Slim - I remember seeing something to the effect that Pearl Jam might be following in the direction of the Dead in Rolling Stone. But anyways, I agree with you.
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I guess? I felt the PJ much more back when Riot Act came out. Since then it\'s been blaahhhhhh. IMO.
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On top of that they keep on getting compared to the Dead. I\'m not a deadhead, I really could care less about the comparison, but if they are going to test out the improv waters, do it full force, not half assed.
Are you shitting me? Please point me in the direct of the rag making this comparison. Talk about opposite ends of a spectrum!!
But if I see a band having the potential to expand themselves I think they should go for it. And with PJ being as poweful as they are, they can do whatever the hell they want. Just my .02
You talking about a band that is doing exactly what they want.
PJ will rightfully be inducted into the Hall of Fame the first year they are eligible. Not just cause they are one of the few bands to survive the early nineties musical revolution. But because they\'ve consistently made some of the greatest rock music of this generation.
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Pearl Jam is who they and they\'ve continued to be successful for the past 15+ years, they must be doing something right. I don\'t consider them to be anything like the Grateful Dead and I am a fan of both bands. I just think that they\'ve decided to do something different for themselves and their fans. That being said, they are one of the only bands of our generation to actual stay the course and continue to succeed where the music industry has continued to churn out 1 hit wonders. I am just happy they continue to make music and tour.
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I think you got me all wrong. I\'m interested in bands playing "obscure" covers and making them their own. Trust me, I\'m the last person who wants to hear a generic and trite classic rock song at a show (The Doobie Bros. was a poor example). I just think PJ recycles the same sound over and over again. On top of that they keep on getting compared to the Dead. I\'m not a deadhead, I really could care less about the comparison, but if they are going to test out the improv waters, do it full force, not half assed. I\'m also not a fan of jambands, I\'m a fan of GOOD music. I don\'t expect every band I see to wail out a 10 minute type II version of their 4 minute pop hit, I\'m looking for creativity and flawless execution. But if I see a band having the potential to expand themselves I think they should go for it. And with PJ being as poweful as they are, they can do whatever the hell they want.
Just my .02
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I am chill. I\'m just trying to make the point that 90% of touring musicians/bands play primarily the same music every time they take a stage. The way that jambands rotate songs is rare.
And that\'s fine for you if you like creative covers and it works for some bands, but I have to say that that is one problem I have/had with fans of Phish and other jambands - they\'re hoping that they hear their favorite cover rather than the band\'s originals. I still remember the days when the band would make an effort to play originals only when they were playing NYC - now that was something! I don\'t go to see Springsteen to see him play the Detriot Medley, I go for a rare Lost In The Flood; I don\'t go to see Pearl Jam to hear Baba O\'Reily, I go to see them break out a rare Alone; and I don\'t go to see Phish play Old Home Place (which I love), I go to see them play any of their originals besides Tweezer.
I do think that covers will help a bar band connect with their audience, but I think that a band that is actually trying separate themselves from the pack need to create their own identity by playing their own music; changing the arrangement of a cover doesn\'t make it theirs. And as far as I\'m concerned there is only one exception to that rule - Hendrix/Watchtower.
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Most bands rely on covers early in their development to fill out shows when they only have 1 or 2 albums.
What do they have 7 studio albums now? At this point, I\'m not going to their shows to hear a Doobie Bros. song, I\'m going to hear the countless gems that they\'ve created.
Look, I\'m not saying that you wrong to be tired of their sound. All I\'m saying is that you shouldn\'t project jamband ideals on every band and every audience. A lot of people loath extended jams. I remember when one of my favorite bands, The Black Crowes, started extending jams and adding tons of diverse covers into their live act. They lost a lot of fans. I thought it was friggin\' awesome, but I remember having conversations with folks at shows who were disappointed.
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wait, they played dirty frank recently??
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Dude, chill. Creative covers rock and to this day is a big reason why I still check out certain live bands.
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And them bringing back the mamasan trilogy or dirty frank or even hard to imagine doesn\'t keep it interesting for you (last tour). And to be honest, I prefer the cover teases - why does a band have to play covers anyway. They play what they want to play and what most of their fans come to see them play. If you want to see covers, go to any local bar on a friday or saturday night.
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A. Me too, they\'re the same every time. Etheric, brooding, and many, plagued with god awful cover vocal teases by Vedder.
B.A lot of those are teases, or riffs will you. Most, not all of those songs were played before 2000, and most of them were a one shot deal. Notice I was discussing recent Pearl Jam, as in the past several years.
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Yeah, but PJ tries to deviate with the occasional Who, or Neil Young cover, or attempts to improvise on the same damn songs everytime. What prevents them from throwing in a 10 minute "Hail Hail" or a Doobie Brothers cover? It\'s their schtick and it\'s tiresome. They only release full tours to make a quick buck so the average PJ fan will have a souvenior. I can\'t imagine purchasing a full tour and being forced to listen to it. I love PJ, don\'t get me wrong, but they\'re really MEHing it up IMO.
It\'s fine to get tired of bands. Happens to me all the time. But could you please keep the "outta yer ass" talk to a minimum?
A. I\'ve got shows where they stretch: Even Flow, Rearviewmirror, Porch, Alive, Black, Daughter, Crown of Thorns, Present Tense, Yellow Ledbetter, Wishlist into 8 - 10 minute jams. And if I cared to look hard enough, I could probably find you a 10 minute Hail Hail.
B. The Doobie Brothers maybe one of the few bands they haven\'t covered. Frankly, I\'m okay with that fact. But for a massive compilation of the artists and songs they have covered: http://www.pjvault.com/coversA_H.html
I also don\'t understand your whole "massive ego" comment.
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Yeah, but PJ tries to deviate with the occasional Who, or Neil Young cover, or attempts to improvise on the same damn songs everytime. What prevents them from throwing in a 10 minute "Hail Hail" or a Doobie Brothers cover? It\'s their schtick and it\'s tiresome. They only release full tours to make a quick buck so the average PJ fan will have a souvenior. I can\'t imagine purchasing a full tour and being forced to listen to it. I love PJ, don\'t get me wrong, but they\'re really MEHing it up IMO.
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I really have to disagree with you. I thought that the last album was one of their better albums in a while. And your comment their live releases not being diverse, well that\'s going to happen when a band offers all of their concerts for download - besides there is some variation from show to show, especially this last tour. Jambands are primarily the only bands that you are going to see playing a completely different setlist each night. The majority of bands bring one or two setlists on the road and vary them slightly.
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No it\'s not new. But I still can\'t help to think that Eddie\'s is a bit bigger. I also would like to see PJ switch it up and release something different. The last album was kind of a dissapointment and each live release is about as diverse as Greenwich, CT.
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What successful lead singer do you know of that doesn\'t have a massive ego. I think it\'s in their chemical make up to feel that the world revolves around them - nothing new.
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...Mike [McCready] went into the studio to create some more music for the soundscapes. This is a look at Pearl Jam that no one has seen yet."...The main body of the DVD sports 13 songs evenly drawn from...
Sounds to me like it\'s more than just a concert DVD.
Sounds like a glimpse into Vedder\'s massive ego.
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...Mike [McCready] went into the studio to create some more music for the soundscapes. This is a look at Pearl Jam that no one has seen yet."...The main body of the DVD sports 13 songs evenly drawn from...
Sounds to me like it\'s more than just a concert DVD.
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i saw this yesterday but assumed you already posted it, and yes, it does seem very short
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Italian Gigs Chronicled On New Pearl Jam DVD
As expected, Pearl Jam will unveil a Danny Clinch-directed live DVD this fall, featuring footage from five Italian shows last fall. "Immagine Nel Telaio" (Picture in a Frame) is due Sept. 25 via Rhino. The band\'s Web site will offer a pre-sale with a limited edition T-shirt beginning Aug. 22.
Clinch describes the DVD, which is named after the Tom Waits song frontman Eddie Vedder covered during a show in Milan, as "a collaboration. The band even offered me some music that has never been heard and [guitarist] Mike [McCready] went into the studio to create some more music for the soundscapes. This is a look at Pearl Jam that no one has seen yet."
The main body of the DVD sports 13 songs evenly drawn from early albums like "Ten" and "Vs." as well as last year\'s self-titled release for J Records. Among the three bonus tracks is Vedder performing the Who\'s "A Quick One (While He\'s Away)" with opening act My Morning Jacket.
Pearl Jam will play a private fan club show Thursday (Aug. 2) at Chicago\'s Vic Theatre as a warm-up for its headlining set Sunday at Lollapalooza.
Here is the track list for "Immagine Nel Telaio":
"Severed Hand" (Milan)
"World Wide Suicide" (clips from all Italy shows)
"Life Wasted" (Torino)
"Corduroy" (Verona)
"State of Love and Trust" (Milan)
"Porch" (Verona)
"Even Flow" (Torino)
"Better Man" (Verona)
"Alive" (Milan)
"Blood" (Verona)
"Comatose" (Pistoia)
"Come Back" (Pistoia)
"Rockin\' in the Free World" (Pistoia)
Bonus Tracks:
"A Quick One (While He\'s Away)" (with My Morning Jacket / Torino)
"Throw Your Arms Around Me" (Pistoia)
"Yellow Ledbetter" (Milan)
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i\'ll take any new PJ, so i\'m really not complaining, but... only 13 (16) tracks?? eh..