isnt there a political pissing thread somewhere?
Obama has a lot on his plate. there is a lot that has been royally **** by the failed policies of the rethugs for the past 8 years. Our economy is in the shitter, something needs to be done, and that something is not more tax cuts.
Calling this a "stimulus" is a joke, it is an excuse to spend in a time of economic gloom. Much of it is stocked with waste that is intended to pay back the special interests who put Obama and the Dems into the majority position; very little of it will provide a meaningful stimulus. And as for the current situation, you have to blame both parties as well as the businesses that brought upon the dilemma with absolute recklessness. The Dems were big time FNMA/FMAC cheerleaders (and beneficiaries) who aided the enormous expansion of lending to the poor and minorites who could never afford the homes they were buying.
isnt there a political pissing thread somewhere?
Yeah, Jking started a lighthearted thread and I turned it into one, though I am certainly "living with no regret".
Might want to merge the discussion from my participation onwards into an existing discussion.
the declining s&p .
S&P bottomed out in November and has held steady/hasn\'t tested new lows since.
To tell you the truth, I would support a reasonable level of spending if I didn\'t think it was rife with wasteful pet projects that will not help.
Porker in chief is playing the same big gov\'t game of waste and ineffectual leadership
:lol: :lol:
how would you suggest getting the economy stimulated?? more tax breaks that haven\'t worked in the past 8 years?? yes, there is about 2% of the current bill that should be in a normal budget and not a stimulus bill. fair enough. otherwise, most leading economists seem to think this plan is fairly well constructed and offers the best long term solutions (see bloomberg).
a fraud??? ineffectual leadership? ok, its been 16 days, what exactly would you like to have seen him do thus far to show more effective leadership?
ricky, you seem more pissed at the general state of politics in this country than at anything he\'s actually done so far. which is certainly fair and understandable. but you\'re lumping in the blame for the two party system, the electoral college, the declining s&p and your stock losses as stuff that obama should have what? fixed already? it seems to me more like you\'re worried that the same level of bs is gonna happen with this president as with the last. no president has ever been as atrocious as bush was (in a myriad of ways), so even if obama is as bad as, say, nixon, he will still necessarily have to be better than dubya...
and i say this as no obama fanboy. i just believe in giving a guy more than two weeks before making a judgment on what kind of leader he is.
Jason, yes, I\'m voicing my displeasure with the system and I\'m scared and unsure of what will happen in the near future. As a fifty something, this crisis affects me much more than you and most others here (sure hope social security is still around). The financial data seems to get worse each week. Congress was alerted to the possibility of this financial collapse almost two years ago and did nothing. I\'m certainly not placing blame on Obama for our current financial turmoil. He has a daunting task ahead of him and I will definitely give him time (and lots of it, he\'ll need it) to right the ship from it\'s wayward course, especially after what his predecessor and Congress has allowed to happen.
I\'m sure at this point this should be in another thread as DS#\'s has suggested, but.....
A few more things. Global economy, what a
**** joke. Let\'s face it, some of this started when it became more important for corporations to show profits to their shareholders than do the right thing and keep their businesses here. They took away millions of jobs, built plants and set up operations in third world countries and paid workers much less money with little or no benefits. Skyrocketing profits for a decade. That lack of jobs is taking a toll on our country in a big way. Not to mention the deregulation of the entire financial industry. Damn lobbyists! This country has gone to hell in the last 8 years. Jason, thanks for starting this thread and Al for helping to proliferate my anger and frustration. Enough of my rant. I\'m outta here and off to the bar. :wave::chug::vomit:
Obama Is A Fine Gentleman Of Honor & Dignity.
He Will Work For Us The Best Way He Possibly Can.
Will He Make Mistakes? You Bet!
Does He Admit His Errors? You Bet!
Is He Faced With Great Challenges To Lift Up America?
Does Anyone Really Know How To Do That?
He Will Learn Along THe Way & Adjust Accordingly.
Did Obama Create All The Mess We\'re In?
We Have A Two Party System.That Won\'t Change.
Obama Isn\'t Responsible For All The Corruption Around.
The Corrupt Should Be Held Responsible & Punished.
Atleast He\'s Able To Speak Intelligently! I\'m Happy With That Much!
I don\'t agree with a lot of what I see in that stimulous package either... looks like it\'s just a bunch of stuff they wanted to do for years but couldn\'t figure out how to get the government funding for. Now all you need to do is say any hair-brained scheme is going to pump money into the economy and declare anyone who doesn\'t agree with you is being unpatriotic and vola, free ride for dumb crap.
Also, I really hate seeing the government tightening it\'s hands around everything, putting caps on how much people can make just because they\'re the president of a company, etc. Everyone agrees because it\'s for a corrupt company right now, but the next step is to go after other job levels in other companies. Once the rules are on the book it\'s hard to get them off. Just try and buy beer on a sunday in ct if you don\'t believe me.
I wish him all the success and think it\'s too early to decide anything yet on what he\'s done but I\'m not impressed with much yet.
Definitely.
Addressing a debt crisis with much more debt only makes sense if every penny is going to worthy stimuli. Congress allowing themselves to prudently allocate money to a "stimulus" is akin to a bunch of alcoholics responsible managing an open bar.
:wah: :lol:
I love how this all started with a snowball and a cat.
just a clarification, the only executives whose salaries are being capped are the ones who performed their jobs so poorly that they need my (and your) money to bail them out of their failure. if you have no problem allowing someone with a proven record of failure to pay themselves millions of your dollars, that\'s fine, ante up some extra tax dollars for them. me, i don\'t generally like rewarding massive incompetency, especially not with my own money....
I\'m not saying they shouldn\'t be punnished for it, but I don\'t like the way they\'re being punnished.
In my opinon, they\'re just companies like any other. THey failed, they failed. Let them close. THere\'s no reason any private company should be baled out like this, and there\'s no reason the government should be nationalizing a private firm (with the exception of overtaking the jeep blueprints during world war 2 and moving it from the company that developed it to one that would be able to produce it in the volume needed).
Maybe it\'s just my anarchist side speaking, but let them fail imo. Keep your government out of my private life.
Also, CT Govenor is pushing again for cameras to be put in on highways that will be hooked up to radar guns which will photograph your liscense and mail you a ticket. Another step twoards big brother. YOu should all write your state reps in the
house and
senate and tell them you don\'t want this!!!
um, unless you do, in which case you still should write your state rep and let your voice be heard.
FZ are you talking about the financial firms that hold the retirement funds for millions of americans?
Yeah, we should probably let them fail.
