Quote from: SlimPickens;254889I don\'t know you, but that sounds like youthful ignorance to me. Ten years ago I probably would have agreed with you.
No youthful ignorance on my part. I am 31, hubs is going to be 33. We own a home. We are sick of being taxed to death and paying for other people\'s laziness, stupidity, and ignorance because we managed to get our lives together in our 20s so we could prosper in our 30s just to help carry the weight of irresponsible americans. I think zuke said it best that we are just lazy and stupid and greedy as a country. Our ancestors and our grandparents, great-grandparents suffered through such adversity. And all we do as the current generations is hold our hands out wanting more and more and more.
Last time I checked we fought and won our independence so the government could not control every aspect of our lives. But in a way, we are slowly handing over every little piece of it.Quote from: SlimPickens;254896Quote from: SkyePrizm;254892Quote from: Vassillios;254888
current system is perfectly fine with me. i don\'t see this bill making it any better. only will make it stay the same or worse.
Agreed.
If you realized how badly you were getting **** by the current system...
...well, I guess ignorance is bliss. Just pull your blinders down and go back to sleep.But I am not getting ****. Maybe some are. It all depends on your insurance plan. We have good insurance that pays about 100% of everything. I\'ve been to the doctor 8 times in the last two months and trust me, my insurance paid a lot and I got every cents worth.
I feel the health care bill is just a kick in the ass to make the private companies more
responsible on how they treat people.
Much of the health care bill probably will never take root. (Obama is aware of this)
A few changes will be made and fine tuned along the way.
And lazy Americans. irresponsible etc etc to use your words. Well hows it is irresponsible of someone to get cancer ? or in a car accident or has and any number of aliments that have nothing to do with lifestyle. .
But I am not getting ****. Maybe some are. It all depends on your insurance plan. We have good insurance that pays about 100% of everything. I\'ve been to the doctor 8 times in the last two months and trust me, my insurance paid a lot and I got every cents worth.
You know what, your argument is all about youthful ignorance. Talk to me after you get sick and you don\'t have government paid insurance.
Until then you just sound like a child throwing a tantrum because other kids now get to play in your sandbox.
Quote from: SlimPickens;254924You know what, your argument is all about youthful ignorance. Talk to me after you get sick and you don\'t have government paid insurance.
Until then you just sound like a child throwing a tantrum because other kids now get to play in your sandbox.
I said i was done with the argument but i will say one last thing: no, i am not mad because other kids want to "play in my sandbox". I just don\'t think I or we or my family or my neighbors should have to pay for that sandbox through crazy taxes. Not that I go tanning, but a 10% tax on that? Pretty redic. And that is just a small example of things that will be taxed now. Lot of things are squished into that fine print.
Obviously if i\'ve been to the doctors so much in the last few months, maybe I am sick. Doesn\'t take a genius to read inbetween lines. So i am grateful for our insurance because had we not gotten married in august, i\'d be up a creek without a paddle, but you know what, i would have paid out of pocket like i always have since i was dumb enough not to have insurance all these years. i still have a running tab with yale that i am paying. i think its down to $400. I\'ve been on both sides of this coin. Maybe it seems like a crazy opinion not to want to take handouts or go on state or collect unemployment, but i never have and never will. and even if i wasn\'t married to a man with magic insurance, i still wouldn\'t want a handout. Just the way i am. Because i dealt the hand of my life, and i shouldn\'t expect my government to be my parent and clean up my irresponsible mess.
My husband has magic insurance because he worked hard, got a good job. Maybe when they were passing out the careers you should have chosen another line. I know I was in the wrong line. its not my fault or america\'s fault you chose a job career path in an industry and company that cheats you of proper benefits. Its your company\'s fault. Its the insurance\'s fault. Its a mass conspiracy of doctors, pharmaceuticals, insurance, etc. Blame them. Not the american people who have worked hard to get ahead and be part of the thriving middle class. Not fair to pull us all down and create unnecessary taxation.
And finally, are we really going to help the sick? I saw a homeless man in new haven yesterday who could barely walk begging for money. is he actually going to get proper care? I don\'t think so. Will he even get to the hospital? I dont think so. We have such bigger issues on hand in this country. Sorry you have to pay high rates for your insurance. But at least you have a home and a place to sleep at night. If they want to tax me to build homeless shelters, tax me away. If you want to tax me to help the VA or vets, tax me away. I just can\'t fathom taxing me to help whiners like you.
Cause in the end, that\'s whose sandbox we really are paying for. Greedy individuals who want more. I doubt in the end the money will go to the truly sick. It never does.
Quote from: SkyePrizm;254933Quote from: SlimPickens;254924You know what, your argument is all about youthful ignorance. Talk to me after you get sick and you don\'t have government paid insurance.
Until then you just sound like a child throwing a tantrum because other kids now get to play in your sandbox.
I said i was done with the argument but i will say one last thing: no, i am not mad because other kids want to "play in my sandbox". I just don\'t think I or we or my family or my neighbors should have to pay for that sandbox through crazy taxes. Not that I go tanning, but a 10% tax on that? Pretty redic. And that is just a small example of things that will be taxed now. Lot of things are squished into that fine print.
Obviously if i\'ve been to the doctors so much in the last few months, maybe I am sick. Doesn\'t take a genius to read inbetween lines. So i am grateful for our insurance because had we not gotten married in august, i\'d be up a creek without a paddle, but you know what, i would have paid out of pocket like i always have since i was dumb enough not to have insurance all these years. i still have a running tab with yale that i am paying. i think its down to $400. I\'ve been on both sides of this coin. Maybe it seems like a crazy opinion not to want to take handouts or go on state or collect unemployment, but i never have and never will. and even if i wasn\'t married to a man with magic insurance, i still wouldn\'t want a handout. Just the way i am. Because i dealt the hand of my life, and i shouldn\'t expect my government to be my parent and clean up my irresponsible mess.
My husband has magic insurance because he worked hard, got a good job. Maybe when they were passing out the careers you should have chosen another line. I know I was in the wrong line. its not my fault or america\'s fault you chose a job career path in an industry and company that cheats you of proper benefits. Its your company\'s fault. Its the insurance\'s fault. Its a mass conspiracy of doctors, pharmaceuticals, insurance, etc. Blame them. Not the american people who have worked hard to get ahead and be part of the thriving middle class. Not fair to pull us all down and create unnecessary taxation.
And finally, are we really going to help the sick? I saw a homeless man in new haven yesterday who could barely walk begging for money. is he actually going to get proper care? I don\'t think so. Will he even get to the hospital? I dont think so. We have such bigger issues on hand in this country. Sorry you have to pay high rates for your insurance. But at least you have a home and a place to sleep at night. If they want to tax me to build homeless shelters, tax me away. If you want to tax me to help the VA or vets, tax me away. I just can\'t fathom taxing me to help whiners like you.
Cause in the end, that\'s whose sandbox we really are paying for. Greedy individuals who want more. I doubt in the end the money will go to the truly sick. It never does.
I am not in favor of this bill, but I will give an example where this will help "me"...
1. I was laid off in February and my family has been on Cobra for health insurance since.
2. That Cobra will run out in 15 months if I don\'t find a job and unfortunately, since I receive the max in unemployment, I am not eligible for most state aid, including medicaid.
3. I cannot afford to buy medical coverage for my family at the cost it is now and it is my understanding that healthcare would either be provided by the state or at a discounted rate that I can afford.
There are free-loaders that haven\'t paid into the system that will benefit from this bill, but there are also hard working citizens that have paid into the system since they were 16 that will also benefit from it... My thought is that not many people have read the 1000+ page bill (including most of the people that voted on it); I think that they really should have given people time to digest the plan before they pushed it through, but I think that there is some good here...