Exactly. For me, my past use of marijuana brought up fear, and issues I was refusing/too afraid to look at in my life.

 By avoiding the personal work that needs to be done, you merely compound to the illusion by depending on a chemical to get you to that place.

Yeah, it seems  marijuana use has really humbled you.  

Because calling a person a jerk you\'ve never met, or talked to before, even in passing on this messageboard is compassion.

Any "spiritual growth", or increased "self awareness" due to marijuana is nothing more than another illusion of the ego.

Shows what you know.

Exactly. For me, my past use of marijuana brought up fear, and issues I was refusing/too afraid to look at in my life.

 By avoiding the personal work that needs to be done, you merely compound to the illusion by depending on a chemical to get you to that place.

See that\'s the problem w/ blanket statements like your first quote.  From your quote you say Marijuana brought up fear and issues you were refusing or too afraid to look at.

Hmm from that statement one can conjecture that Marijuana actually HELPED you. It showed you things you need to work on and not to use Marijuana.
For YOU Pot **** with you and YOU can not handle it. That is on YOU.

Many people have learned how to use Marijuana w/o abusing it. There is a huge difference and if you cannot handle using a drug you should not use it. That goes for EVERY drug be it Aspirin or Marijuana

For me, my past use of marijuana brought up fear, and issues I was refusing/too afraid to look at in my life.

 By avoiding the personal work that needs to be done, you merely compound to the illusion by depending on a chemical to get you to that place.

I agree. Drugs (especially LSD, peyote, mushrooms, iowska and even marijuana) are best used as \'medicine\' for blowing holes in the ego so to speak. You take them to disolve the illusion of the world and see how things really are and what is possible. Or to look inside yourself and figure out why you took the drug in the first place?

Unfortunately these days most people seem to not respect drugs in this way and never move past  the "it\'s fun to get **** up" stage.  Nobody wants to find put in the effort to actually explore the source of the pleasure they experience from getting high because easier to just smoke up and get a taste when your craving one.

People need to start asking themselves...

"Why do I take drugs in the first place?" and  "Why do I come down?"


Untill then they are going to be stuck in a feedback loop of constant craving...i.e. craving->getting high->coming down->craving.

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Any "spiritual growth", or increased "self awareness" due to marijuana is nothing more than another illusion of the ego.

Shows what you know.

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Exactly. For me, my past use of marijuana brought up fear, and issues I was refusing/too afraid to look at in my life.

 By avoiding the personal work that needs to be done, you merely compound to the illusion by depending on a chemical to get you to that place.

See that\'s the problem w/ blanket statements like your first quote.  From your quote you say Marijuana brought up fear and issues you were refusing or too afraid to look at.

Hmm from that statement one can conjecture that Marijuana actually HELPED you. It showed you things you need to work on and not to use Marijuana.
For YOU Pot **** with you and YOU can not handle it. That is on YOU.

Many peple have learned how to use Marijuana w/o abusing it. There is a huge difference and if you cannot handle using a drug you should not use it. That goes for EVERY drug be it Aspirin or Marijuana

It didn\'t tell me anything I already didn\'t know. It only enhanced my ego\'s stronghold.  Fact is YOU are dependent on this chemical to make you feel a certain way. It\'s escapism Leith, plain and simple. If it was truly a spiritual tool people would only need to use it several times, and never again.  Then if that were the case everyone would be high, and all on planet earth would be ascended in oneness with the universe.

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Any "spiritual growth", or increased "self awareness" due to marijuana is nothing more than another illusion of the ego.

Shows what you know.

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Exactly. For me, my past use of marijuana brought up fear, and issues I was refusing/too afraid to look at in my life.

 By avoiding the personal work that needs to be done, you merely compound to the illusion by depending on a chemical to get you to that place.

See that\'s the problem w/ blanket statements like your first quote.  From your quote you say Marijuana brought up fear and issues you were refusing or too afraid to look at.

Hmm from that statement one can conjecture that Marijuana actually HELPED you. It showed you things you need to work on and not to use Marijuana.
For YOU Pot **** with you and YOU can not handle it. That is on YOU.

Many peple have learned how to use Marijuana w/o abusing it. There is a huge difference and if you cannot handle using a drug you should not use it. That goes for EVERY drug be it Aspirin or Marijuana

It didn\'t tell me anything I already didn\'t know. It only enhanced my ego\'s stronghold.  Fact is YOU are dependent on this chemical to make you feel a certain way. It\'s escapism Leith, plain and simple. If it was truly a spiritual tool people would only need to use it several times, and never again.  Then if that were the case everyone would be high, and all on planet earth would be ascended in oneness with the universe.

See?
There you go again. Blanket statements. Humans are as different in their chemical makeup as a field of flowers. Everyone has a different reaction to "drugs" and a different reason for using them. I personally use Marijauna to help w/ my vertigo and to increase my appetite as I am a skinny ****. Yeah I use it recreationally alot but I do not use it for spiritual insight as I have used it for that before and no longer need it for those reasons. I do use other psychedelics to "clear the cobwebs" every once in awhile and finds it really helps to center me.

Oh and another thing you seem to forget is emotionally healthy humans change as their life progresses and may need spiritual guidence as life changes. SO your theory of people needing to use several times and never again assumes stagnant emotional growth.

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I think its possible that you might actually have some type spiritual insight when your high but once the high wears off your proably going to be right back where you started just wanting to get high again so thats the problem isn\'t it? It gives a glimpse of something but you can only experience that sensation while high which leads addiction to the substance that gives you that glimpse but doesn\'t give any lasting spiritual growth or bliss.

Wow that assumes you don\'t work on the spiritual insight you acheived while "high" once sober.

I know alot of people that actually are more proactive in their lives when they get shown the light in the strangest of places while they looked at it right.

I didn\'t mean that is the only possible outcome.

obviously there are some people who see the light and change there life. I also know a few myself. But in my experience those people are the exception while the majority get stuck in the loop of getting high and coming down and never even wondering if its possible to stay high without using drugs.

I can agree w/ that.

Emotionally healthy humans serve a humble life with compassion and love.  They allow themselves to live free of fear by accepting their faults and the faults of others as being byproducts of the ego and collective human dysfunction. They\'re in constant growth and self awareness until the day they liberate the soul.

I was referring to people using several times, destroying the ego, and liberating the soul (hence the ascension).  Sorry if I wasn\'t clear.

BTW, I\'m in 100% agreement and support for the use of medicinal marijuana, even for Leith\'s vertigo and small stomach.