Author Topic: Live free in NH... as long as you don\'t use tokens! (Read 2484 times)

kindm's · « **Reply #15 on:** September 17, 2007, 01:15:35 pm »

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So then by your definition, if I went to a carnival and bought 20 tickets for rides and only used 15, I should be able to get a refund for the 5 tickets? Doesn\'t happen, and no one complaigns about it. The bottom line is that in principle, the guy is right, but for $0.50, he took it way too far in my opinion.

Depends on the carnival. Is it a limited engagement ? usually if you go back to the same carnival or follow it they will honor their tickets. Same goes for permanent carnivals. Sometimes they put time restrictions on them or date them but that is different.

I have used tokens years after at the same amusement places.

jocelyn · « **Reply #16 on:** September 17, 2007, 01:39:40 pm »

Yoday- if the guy paid the fine, he would still have the record. He was already arrested. He just didn\'t feel like giving the state another dollar. At least if he went to prison he is costing the state (well, the taxpayers) money.

I was just arrested recently. I paid a fine and didn\'t do jail time. But the arrest is still on my record.

And yes, he took if way farther than you or I would, but I still say good for him.

I still have some unused tokens.

Also, I\'m pretty sure that in Boston, even though they have switched over to the Charlie Card, they still accept tokens for the T if you still have some.

(just an example... somewhat unrelated I know)

ChrisF · « **Reply #17 on:** September 17, 2007, 01:51:51 pm »

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I have used tokens years after at the same amusement places.

broseph - just because they put up with your shenanigans at chuck e. cheese doesnt mean that should work at a state toll. although it seems unfair, the state of new hampshire needs to keep sticter polices than a giant pizza eating rat.

Yoda · « **Reply #18 on:** September 17, 2007, 02:01:13 pm »

After re-reading the original article, something didn\'t make sense. The cop issued the citation, then told him to pay the $0.50. That doesn\'t make sense - if the cop told him to pay, it was probably before he wrote the citation. When the man didn\'t pay, the cop had to act. It also sound as if the governing body, who made the decision not to use the tokens anymore, gave public notice - it\'s just that this guy either didn\'t read the paper or watch the news or just plain didn\'t care.

jocelyn · « **Reply #19 on:** September 17, 2007, 02:05:03 pm »

They did give notice- it was in the papers and they posted signs on the tollbooths like two months in advance. But I still think one should have been able to use tokens until they run out, or get a refund.

Gfunk · « **Reply #20 on:** September 17, 2007, 02:36:17 pm »

NH is not ****. taints.

kindm's · « **Reply #21 on:** September 17, 2007, 03:03:32 pm »

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I have used tokens years after at the same amusement places.

broseph - just because they put up with your shenanigans at chuck e. cheese doesnt mean that should work at a state toll. although it seems unfair, the state of new hampshire needs to keep sticter polices than a giant pizza eating rat.

Actually considering the state took this mans $ for the express purpose of using its roads. I have a hard time seeing how they can invalidate that now. Although the point is moot, the judge ruled and the ruling stands in the criminal proceedings. I still think the guy was right but that doesn\'t really mean anything.

Also I would argue that just because they told everybody they would no longer take the tokens doesn\'t mean jack. He paid the State of NH $ for those tokens. They are in essence a receipt of goods paid. He already paid the tolls in advanced as did anyone else who purchased tokens. So basically folks who buy tokens are loaning the state $ in advance of services. they are defaulting on that

SlimPickens · « **Reply #22 on:** September 17, 2007, 05:05:27 pm »

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So then by your definition, if I went to a carnival and bought 20 tickets for rides and only used 15, I should be able to get a refund for the 5 tickets? Doesn\'t happen, and no one complaigns about it. The bottom line is that in principle, the guy is right, but for $0.50, he took it way too far in my opinion.

Your logic is faulty. By definition a carnival is a traveling amusement show. The definition convey\'s the temporary nature of it\'s presence. Therefore attendee\'s purchase tickets with full knowledge of their limited usefulness.

The NH token system has been around since 1955. Not really a one night stand. A 68 year MA resident, with a vacation home in NH would undoubtedly purchase batches of tokens for trips.

However, this man\'s fight has nothing to do with the dollar value.

In Sept. 05, NH announced the EZ pass system giving people 4 (off season) months to use remaining tokens. This doesn\'t give vacationers much time to use up prepaid tokens.

This man is pointing out a poorly thought out plan by the state. Why wouldn\'t they allow people to exchange tokens for EZpass credits?

Yoda · « **Reply #23 on:** September 17, 2007, 05:32:24 pm »

One could argue that if NH gave that much notice, it might have made sense for the man to purchase tokens on a yearly basis rather than in one large purchase. You can argue both sides.

kindm's · « **Reply #24 on:** September 17, 2007, 05:39:07 pm »

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Quote from: Yoda;158807
So then by your definition, if I went to a carnival and bought 20 tickets for rides and only used 15, I should be able to get a refund for the 5 tickets? Doesn\'t happen, and no one complaigns about it. The bottom line is that in principle, the guy is right, but for $0.50, he took it way too far in my opinion.

Your logic is faulty. By definition a carnival is a traveling amusement show. The definition convey\'s the temporary nature of it\'s presence. Therefore attendee\'s purchase tickets with full knowledge of their limited usefulness.

The NH token system has been around since 1955. Not really a one night stand. A 68 year MA resident, with a vacation home in NH would undoubtedly purchase batches of tokens for trips.

However, this man\'s fight has nothing to do with the dollar value.

In Sept. 05, NH announced the EZ pass system giving people 4 (off season) months to use remaining tokens. This doesn\'t give vacationers much time to use up prepaid tokens.

This man is pointing out a poorly thought out plan by the state. Why wouldn\'t they allow people to exchange tokens for EZpass credits?

Because the state doesn\'t make any $ from it and they would have to pay the $ to EZ-Pass. But ooops guess what I bet that the state already spent the $ they got from selling tokens.

See you make a better argument than I did. They gave folks 4 months to use the tokens, not exchange them or get a refund. Thats what I have a problem with. NH had no problem taking these peoples $ when they sold the tokens, because it served the states interests. The state saw a small opportunity to make even more $ on the same folks for the same service.

oldnewbie · « **Reply #25 on:** September 17, 2007, 06:20:48 pm »

just another example of the man keeping a brother down.

jocelyn · « **Reply #26 on:** September 17, 2007, 06:23:01 pm »

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Because the state doesn\'t make any $ from it and they would have to pay the $ to EZ-Pass. But ooops guess what I bet that the state already spent the $ they got from selling tokens.

See you make a better argument than I did. They gave folks 4 months to use the tokens, not exchange them or get a refund. Thats what I have a problem with. NH had no problem taking these peoples $ when they sold the tokens, because it served the states interests. The state saw a small opportunity to make even more $ on the same folks for the same service.

Exactly.

Todd · « **Reply #27 on:** September 18, 2007, 02:46:36 am »

Live free or die...PFFFTTT!! :sigh: