20 Reasons Why Musicians Get Stuck at the Local or Regional Level

• #15 Reply
  Posted by Mark on 21 Dec, 2006 16:35
• Quote from: Jim Cobb;128972

  why enable them to keep slacking?

  You are right! It is time for some TOUGH LOVE!
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• #16 Reply
  Posted by Jim Cobb on 21 Dec, 2006 17:09
• blah blah blah selling out selling out blah blah blah
  
  
  there are a lot of sellouts out there.  however, most bands that just do what they need to do in order to make a living are unfairly labeled as sellouts far too often.  in the music business the fan is the client.  what you do as an artist is for them.  end of story.  in a perfect world, an artist would be able to do whatever makes them feel good 24/7 and everyone would love and appreciate it.  sadly this is not reality.  there needs to be a compromise.  the fan is the reason an artist gets to enjoy any success.  the artist must give back to the fan in order to keep this relationship symbiotic.  sometimes that means making compromises and striking a balance, but that is NOT the same as selling out.
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• #17 Reply
  Posted by leith on 21 Dec, 2006 18:19
• Quote from: Mark;128987

  You are right! It is time for some TOUGH LOVE!

  
  Oh so NOW it\'s time for toughlove.
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• #18 Reply
  Posted by davepeck on 21 Dec, 2006 19:22
• Quote from: Todd;128968

  Quote from: Mark;128967

  I really think the management should be on it, this is part of what they are paid for,

  
  This is the thing people don\'t get...they have NO paid management!!

  
  nor should people have to \'get\' it, or understand it, or sympathize with it. **** that. the **** \'no (or shitty) management\'/\'transition period\' excuse has been made/used for this band ad nauseam. there\'s no promo because the band has no management. there\'s no one at the shows because the band has no management. no one knows about moxie epoxy because the band has no management. shows are booked/announced less than a month in advance because the band has no management. there are SEVEN shows on the schedule because the band has no management.
  
  the fact of the matter is, it\'s an unacceptable excuse.
  
  the band\'s most recent manager was recently fired because nothing was getting done. super. but without a backup plan, you can\'t just say, "we can do \'nothing\' just as well". it shouldn\'t be up to mark to find local papers to advertise the band\'s upcoming shows in. it shouldn\'t be up to wildcoyote to press toad\'s management for tickets/promo. it shouldn\'t be up to aruny to make sure that there\'s fliers available in a packed bar that the band\'s guitarist is playing at for a breakfast show a few nights later within walking distance of the place. these are the things that the band needs to be proactive about. then again, after 8 years, they probably know this.
  
  

  Quote from: Stephengencs;128969

  i have my hopes high for the new year.....

  
  a new year which, by the way, is 11 days away and there are currently 3 shows scheduled during..
  
  

  Quote from: derickw;128970

  as long as someone takes the reins as far as promo and PR goes there shouldn\'t be any reason why this next year can\'t be a super productive year....

  
  pretty sure this is now the 3rd year in a row with a "we\'ll get \'em next year!"... well ****, we gotta be right one of these times, right??
  
  

  Quote from: Mark;128987

  Quote from: Jim Cobb;128972

  Quote from: Mark;128967

  I would consider doing it if no one else will.

  why enable them to keep slacking?

  You are right! It is time for some TOUGH LOVE!

  
  agreed. see above. this should be the band\'s job in their \'transition period\'.
  
  
  food for thought for those of you who are employed: how long would you be able to hold onto your current job for, if someone else was doing all the leg work for you??
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• #19 Reply
  Posted by Me! on 21 Dec, 2006 19:35
• soooooo staying out of this thread.  
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• #20 Reply
  Posted by skalnbyc on 21 Dec, 2006 19:46
• Quote from: davepeck;129005

  this should be the band\'s job in their \'transition period\'.
  
  

  
  Yeah, no gigs for a few weeks should have enabled them to go all out on the Toad\'s promo.
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• #21 Reply
  Posted by psychjosh on 22 Dec, 2006 07:44
• i think they should change back to psychedelic breakfast, bring back Jordan and hire Spin Ray and Pat the Head Dancer to drive them around the country in the bus!!
  
  keep talking about this stuff. There is truth in every post I have read so far.
  
  As far as this whole topic goes..
  
  Trees grow from the roots up..
  
  peace
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• #22 Reply
  Posted by postom on 22 Dec, 2006 10:47
• this thread just reminds me
  
  SOMEONE GET ME PROMO **** TO HAND OUT AT TREY IN BOSTON ON THE 28TH
  
  thanks
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• #23 Reply
  Posted by derickw on 22 Dec, 2006 11:20
• Quote from: postom;129031

  this thread just reminds me
  
  SOMEONE GET ME PROMO **** TO HAND OUT AT TREY IN BOSTON ON THE 28TH
  
  thanks

  
  
  
  falling on deaf ears my friend
  
  
  i should be there, i\'ll have a bunch printed. i\'m gonna try to burn a bunch of cd\'s but i have to make a new and improved promo disk.
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• #24 Reply
  Posted by skalnbyc on 22 Dec, 2006 16:13
• Quote from: psychjosh;129028

  i think they should change back to psychedelic breakfast, bring back Jordan

  
  
  I like those ideas!
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