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Quote from: tyzack;188791
how did society benifet from this wonderful use of tax-payer money:
well **** is bad for society. so i suppose getting the kids off of it could be quite beneficial. If this was a pot bust I may question just how it is helping people but coke and pot are very different. How they effect the human body and the trade associated with it are entirely different. personally, I have seen **** ruin the lives of a number of my friends - caught up in dealing dropping out and other psychological issues. so yes, I would say society would benefit from getting rid of coke. -
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I go to state, and I thought you all may appreciate some info. The bust this morning was the end of a year-long investigation that started after a girl overdosed and died last year (on the 1st floor of my apartment building =/).
The bust was mostly just **** (a lot of it) and ecstasy, but everything else along with it too...guns, adderall, pot, meth, shrooms, etc. The big bust involving large amounts of coke and the guns was at a frat called theta chi..you can see it from my balcony.
I met a kid tonight who got the text message that was sent out by the dumbass frat boy, and it included the phrase - "blow" out sale - word for word, with the quotes, and listed prices with minimal "code words".
The way I see it, these kids deserve to be in jail right now if they are sending mass text messages out to people about **** using the word blow in quotes. And on top of it, the greek system here is so **** up and drug-ridden, it\'s ridiculous.
The cops weren\'t too worried about the pot...it\'s weird to me, being from the east coast (specifically living in the kearsarge area in NH for 5 yrs) but weed is pretty chill here...not "chill" per se, but medicinal marijuana is legal in a lot of CA. Coke however, is not. -
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Quote from: JaimeBisbee;188845
I met a kid tonight who got the text message that was sent out by the dumbass frat boy, and it included the phrase - "blow" out sale - word for word, with the quotes, and listed prices with minimal "code words".
this kid was pretty much begging to get caught.
The way I see it, these kids deserve to be in jail right now if they are sending mass text messages out to people about **** using the word blow in quotes.
sorry to hear about the girl in your building
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Quote from: siflandollie;188843Quote from: tyzack;188791
how did society benifet from this wonderful use of tax-payer money:
well **** is bad for society. so i suppose getting the kids off of it could be quite beneficial. If this was a pot bust I may question just how it is helping people but coke and pot are very different. How they effect the human body and the trade associated with it are entirely different. personally, I have seen **** ruin the lives of a number of my friends - caught up in dealing dropping out and other psychological issues. so yes, I would say society would benefit from getting rid of coke.
The problem is it will never go away. It is 2nd to cannabis as the most used drug (illegal, Alcohol is #1 by a LARGE margin) globally. So simply saying get rid of it doesn\'t work and hasn\'t worked. That is why I believe that currently illicit drugs should be controlled and sold openly. If someone breaks the law prosecute them for it. Being high shouldn\'t somehow make it worse or better. I know that personal responsibility in this country is something that isn\'t very popular anymore but it should be tantamount.
In a free society people should be allowed to ingest whatever they want to provided that it doesn\'t encroach on the rights of others (ie. eating babies or something like that). Many people reading this thread I am sure have indulged in a myriad of substances and are just fine. There will always be people who abuse themselves whether they choose to do it with household cleaners, ****, meth, alcohol, paint, over the counter prescriptions etc. I don\'t think those people should dictate policy for the rest of us.
The War on drugs has failed miserably at the cost of personal liberties and freedom. I do not believe the ends justify the means. This is of course my opinion and you are more than welcome to disagree as I am sure I am in the minority when it comes to these positions.
I certainly am not advocating use of these substances but in and of themselves they are benign just as a gun is. Someone has to make a choice to do X, Y or Z for it to then become a societal issue. -
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So are you saying that Cocain, Heroin, Crack, etc... should be made to be legal? That\'s just what this country needs - more junkies...that\'s what you\'d get if you made these drugs legal. You would have more people strung out, more crime to pay for their habit, more people messing up at work (therefore potentially losing their job and adding economic strain to the already existing problems)...the list can go on. I agree that there are certain drugs that are less damaging to an individual, but imagine the message that it would send. Hey everyone...we\'ve been against the use of these drugs for years, but as long as you follow the rules, you can have anything you want. You can\'t be serious.
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Quote from: kindm\'s;188861
I know that personal responsibility in this country is something that isn\'t very popular anymore but it should be tantamount.
I cannot agree more.Quote from: Yoda;188863That\'s just what this country needs - more junkies....
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I believe that it is proven that Cocain, Heroin and Crack are highly addictive drugs. It is proven that once addicted, it is difficult to quit. So it leads one down the path that unless you\'re a millionaire and can afford to supply your daily habit, you will do whatever you need to do to get the money and that includes crime. I\'m not saying that this will be the case 100% of the time, but it will definitely increase the number of junkies.
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Quote from: Yoda;188863
So are you saying that Cocain, Heroin, Crack, etc... should be made to be legal? That\'s just what this country needs - more junkies...that\'s what you\'d get if you made these drugs legal. You would have more people strung out, more crime to pay for their habit, more people messing up at work (therefore potentially losing their job and adding economic strain to the already existing problems)...the list can go on. I agree that there are certain drugs that are less damaging to an individual, but imagine the message that it would send. Hey everyone...we\'ve been against the use of these drugs for years, but as long as you follow the rules, you can have anything you want. You can\'t be serious.
What you say is not supported by the numbers.
The percentage of drug users has remained steady for a long time. The percentage basically stays the same regardless of what measures are put behind the issue. So your idea that there would be an explosion of junkies is total BS.
Alcohol destroys more lives then all illicit drugs combined but is completely legal for you to drink yourself to death if you so choose. Alcohol is also associated with more crime then any other substance.
Motor vehicles kill more people in this country then all illicit substances.
Swimming pools kill more children every year than guns.
Well the message they are sending now doesn\'t work, it it is usually simple propaganda that isn\'t supported by facts. Cannabis is a schedule 1 drug, **** and amphetamines are schedule 2 drugs so what message does that send ? -
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damn i musta missed that text
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Look, you see it one way, I see it another. I\'m not going to search the internet for data to support my case, but it\'s a given that heroin, cocain and crack are highly addictive drugs.
Alcohol causes more deaths because it is legal and more readily available.
As for your other examples, your probably statistically correct, but how many unreported deaths or missing persons are related to drugs.
I agree that some drugs are not as bad as other, but to legalize all drugs is crazy and irresponsible. Just my opinion. I really don\'t think that you will ever see a government that is willing to legalize all drugs, so it basically a mute point. -
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Quote from: kindm\'s;188835
Hypocrisy to those that want theirs OK\'d but the others are "bad"The reason that drugs are associated with crime is simply, they are illegal. Take the illegality out of it and the crime goes with it. If you need an example just look at alcohol prohibition.
Saying the vices you do are better or more "classy" than any others is silly and worst of all hypocritical.
I can choose not to indulge but to look down ones nose at those who do and don\'t bother anyone is stupid. Next time someone bad mouths you or says something when your puffing / drinking / masturbating to your huge **** collection etc remember that.
It doesn\'t make sence to ignore the differences of these substances and lump them all together under the category of drugs, and then say either, "all drugs should be legal," or "all drugs should be illegal." It seems very obvious to me which of these substances are dangerous to peoples heath and dangerous to society as a whole, vs. which of these substances are fairly benign (and actually may have great benefits to soceity as a whole). I\'m all for decriminalization of marijuana, but I\'m definately against legalizing or decriminalizing ****/crack/herion/meth. Do I think addicts should be locked up? No, they should get help in rehab programs. Should dealers of heroin/meth/crack be locked up? Yea, probably. If that makes me a hypocrite oh fuckin\' well, I just don\'t see this issue to be that black and white. -
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It\'s a matter of balance, which is what we have right now: people want to do illegal drugs, they will find them. People who don\'t choose not to. We need the government to crack down on cases like this so it\'s a reminder for some that these drugs are illegal and they are illegal for a reason. Most people who do coke, etc. do it in moderation and are fine. But if everything were made legal this might not be the case. This is just how our system works, it will never change.
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Quote from: Gfunk;188910Quote from: kindm\'s;188835
Hypocrisy to those that want theirs OK\'d but the others are "bad"The reason that drugs are associated with crime is simply, they are illegal. Take the illegality out of it and the crime goes with it. If you need an example just look at alcohol prohibition.
Saying the vices you do are better or more "classy" than any others is silly and worst of all hypocritical.
I can choose not to indulge but to look down ones nose at those who do and don\'t bother anyone is stupid. Next time someone bad mouths you or says something when your puffing / drinking / masturbating to your huge **** collection etc remember that.
It doesn\'t make sence to ignore the differences of these substances and lump them all together under the category of drugs, and then say either, "all drugs should be legal," or "all drugs should be illegal." It seems very obvious to me which of these substances are dangerous to peoples heath and dangerous to society as a whole, vs. which of these substances are fairly benign (and actually may have great benefits to soceity as a whole). I\'m all for decriminalization of marijuana, but I\'m definately against legalizing or decriminalizing ****/crack/herion/meth. Do I think addicts should be locked up? No, they should get help in rehab programs. Should dealers of heroin/meth/crack be locked up? Yea, probably. If that makes me a hypocrite oh fuckin\' well, I just don\'t see this issue to be that black and white.
so now we\'re bringing ethnicity and race into this i don\'t think thats right.............
ahhh lighten up people. everyone has a choice to do or not do whatever. I don\'t see much conviction from people these days. MANY are willing to go along or do whatever the masses are doing and then blame society for there short comings. take some responsibility for your actions. not everything that happens to you is someone else\'s fault. Addition to drugs is a medical condition and should be handled with medical help not prison. Trying to become an entrepreneur by selling drugs= not the right way to do things and should warrant some jail time.
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Quote from: kindm\'s;188861
I know that personal responsibility in this country is something that isn\'t very popular anymore but it should be tantamount.
I wholeheartedly agree, and it seems much of the country lives very recklessley, expecting the gov\'t to make it all right.
People eat and drink (and ****) recklessly, fueling a costly obesity epidemic, then want free healthcare to treat all the ailments; buy houses they\'ll never be able to afford then hope for a gov\'t bailout when they are ready for foreclosure; drive Escalades when they make $20,000, then complain about being broke; live above their means for decades, then hope for a gov\'t check to cover living expenses.
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Quote from: Yoda;188884
Look, you see it one way, I see it another. I\'m not going to search the internet for data to support my case, but it\'s a given that heroin, cocain and crack are highly addictive drugs.
Alcohol causes more deaths because it is legal and more readily available.
As for your other examples, your probably statistically correct, but how many unreported deaths or missing persons are related to drugs.
I agree that some drugs are not as bad as other, but to legalize all drugs is crazy and irresponsible. Just my opinion. I really don\'t think that you will ever see a government that is willing to legalize all drugs, so it basically a mute point.Quote from: Gfunk;188910It doesn\'t make sence to ignore the differences of these substances and lump them all together under the category of drugs, and then say either, "all drugs should be legal," or "all drugs should be illegal." It seems very obvious to me which of these substances are dangerous to peoples heath and dangerous to society as a whole, vs. which of these substances are fairly benign (and actually may have great benefits to soceity as a whole). I\'m all for decriminalization of marijuana, but I\'m definately against legalizing or decriminalizing ****/crack/herion/meth. Do I think addicts should be locked up? No, they should get help in rehab programs. Should dealers of heroin/meth/crack be locked up? Yea, probably. If that makes me a hypocrite oh fuckin\' well, I just don\'t see this issue to be that black and white.
First of all **** and crack are the same drug. They are both the same alkaloid they are just delivered to the body in different ways. Think smoking weed v. eating it. Yes they are highly addictive, so is alcohol, so are lots of legal substances. Cigarettes for example. Also amphetamines are class 2 so according to our government it is less dangerous than pot and actually has some medical benefit so think on that for a minute. Same is true of ****.
So your basically saying that your beliefs are not rooted in fact. That is wonderful. So you will just willynilly regurgitate whatever thoughts got in to your head first. Alcohol is a poison to the body plain and simple. If it was going to be scheduled as the other drugs are it would be schedule 1. So the government has no problem allowing the citizens of this country to choose to use this drug. So why should it draw the line on others that are less or even as potentially harmful ?
So how many unreported deaths are due to alcohol, and missing persons ? not sure where your going with that. And to which extent are those issues you describe related to dealing with criminals.
What is really irresponsible, continuing down a path that does not work, locks up people for victimless crimes and cost us taxpayers billions a year or to a least remove the criminal element from the equation, tax the substances heavily, and allow people to do what they want without interference from the government ? I choose the later. -