A thread that started out about Gaza but quickly turned into a debate about calendars

A thread that started out about Gaza but quickly turned into a debate about calendars
Posted by FrankZappa on 18 Aug, 2005 08:59
live right now. if you can get to a tv, its worth watching. cnn, fox news, etc, etc.

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Posted by Mamalakabubadaya on 18 Aug, 2005 09:53
saw this on the news when i was getting ready for work this morning..very very sad situation. http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/08/18/gaza.pullout/index.html

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Posted by SlimPickens on 18 Aug, 2005 12:32
never seen anything quite like this before. very sad stuff. the tolerence level of these soliders is amazing. I would have already brought in the pepper spray and german shepards.

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Posted by Jim Cobb on 18 Aug, 2005 12:43
this conflict is just a backlash from the shifting energy resulting from reaching the midpoint of the galactic underworld according to the mayan calender. the dualist mind of the national underworld (great cycle) is being healed by the galactic underworld\'s filter illuminating the right-brain conciousness of the east.

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Posted by SlimPickens on 18 Aug, 2005 13:00
yer as nutty as a fruitcake

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Posted by Jim Cobb on 18 Aug, 2005 13:06
nope.

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Posted by SlimPickens on 18 Aug, 2005 13:11
i\'m just bustin\' yer stones. i dig your mayan calander babble. actually reading a piece about the Mayan calendar and the cycles of the world economy right now.

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Posted by Jim Cobb on 18 Aug, 2005 13:13
The Mayan Calendar and the Transformation of Consciousness by Carl Johan Calleman, Ph.D

A good, well rounded discussion of the inner workings of the mayan calendar.

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Posted by FrankZappa on 18 Aug, 2005 13:13
Quote from: Jim Cobb
this conflict is just a backlash from the shifting energy resulting from reaching the midpoint of the galactic underworld according to the mayan calender. the dualist mind of the national underworld (great cycle) is being healed by the galactic underworld\'s filter illuminating the right-brain conciousness of the east.

Interesting, but your still 7 and 1/2 years early to start claiming things are the effect of the mayan calendar. Furthermore, I see the mayan Long Count calendar end as a simple math equation and nothing more - the equations cycle finished itself, they stopped writing it. Some people say that it is going to be the day the world is suppose to end, but those kinds of people show up every 100 years (remember y2k?), so it\'s nothing new.

2012 is simply the beginning of the 14th cycle of 394 years, or baktun. Tha date is written left to right baktun.katun.tun.uinal.katun (an example date is 14.8.16.3.12). Since baktuns are the top cycle and end at 13 (13.0.0.0.0), the roll over to 14 is the equivalent of 0 (0.0.0.0.0.0), which was the date they started with, supposedly either the day they started making the calendar, or the dawn of creation. The argued days for this event are:
13.0.0.0.0 = 8 Sep 3114 BC (Julian) = 13 Aug 3114 BC (Gregorian)
13.0.0.0.0 = 6 Sep 3114 BC (Julian) = 11 Aug 3114 BC (Gregorian)
13.0.0.0.0 = 11 Nov 3374 BC (Julian) = 15 Oct 3374 BC (Gregorian)

What do you mean by the galactic underworld? If the mayan calendar is the end of the world, then how can it also be a midpoint? AND, if it is an midpoint, what happens at the endpoint?

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Posted by SlimPickens on 18 Aug, 2005 13:14
http://www.mayanmajix.com/art026p.html

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Posted by davepeck on 18 Aug, 2005 13:22
Quote from: FrankZappa
Interesting, but your still 7 and 1/2 years early to start claiming things are the effect of the mayan calendar. Furthermore, I see the mayan Long Count calendar end as a simple math equation and nothing more - the equations cycle finished itself, they stopped writing it. Some people say that it is going to be the day the world is suppose to end, but those kinds of people show up every 100 years (remember y2k?), so it\'s nothing new.

2012 is simply the beginning of the 14th cycle of 394 years, or baktun. Tha date is written left to right baktun.katun.tun.uinal.katun (an example date is 14.8.16.3.12). Since baktuns are the top cycle and end at 13 (13.0.0.0.0), the roll over to 14 is the equivalent of 0 (0.0.0.0.0.0), which was the date they started with, supposedly either the day they started making the calendar, or the dawn of creation. The argued days for this event are:
13.0.0.0.0 = 8 Sep 3114 BC (Julian) = 13 Aug 3114 BC (Gregorian)
13.0.0.0.0 = 6 Sep 3114 BC (Julian) = 11 Aug 3114 BC (Gregorian)
13.0.0.0.0 = 11 Nov 3374 BC (Julian) = 15 Oct 3374 BC (Gregorian)

What do you mean by the galactic underworld? If the mayan calendar is the end of the world, then how can it also be a midpoint? AND, if it is an midpoint, what happens at the endpoint?

:sadban:

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Posted by Mamalakabubadaya on 18 Aug, 2005 13:26
Quote from: davepeck
Quote from: FrankZappa
Interesting, but your still 7 and 1/2 years early to start claiming things are the effect of the mayan calendar. Furthermore, I see the mayan Long Count calendar end as a simple math equation and nothing more - the equations cycle finished itself, they stopped writing it. Some people say that it is going to be the day the world is suppose to end, but those kinds of people show up every 100 years (remember y2k?), so it\'s nothing new.

2012 is simply the beginning of the 14th cycle of 394 years, or baktun. Tha date is written left to right baktun.katun.tun.uinal.katun (an example date is 14.8.16.3.12). Since baktuns are the top cycle and end at 13 (13.0.0.0.0), the roll over to 14 is the equivalent of 0 (0.0.0.0.0.0), which was the date they started with, supposedly either the day they started making the calendar, or the dawn of creation. The argued days for this event are:
13.0.0.0.0 = 8 Sep 3114 BC (Julian) = 13 Aug 3114 BC (Gregorian)
13.0.0.0.0 = 6 Sep 3114 BC (Julian) = 11 Aug 3114 BC (Gregorian)
13.0.0.0.0 = 11 Nov 3374 BC (Julian) = 15 Oct 3374 BC (Gregorian)

What do you mean by the galactic underworld? If the mayan calendar is the end of the world, then how can it also be a midpoint? AND, if it is an midpoint, what happens at the endpoint?

:sadban:

adding on to that...i don\'t see the connection between the constant conflict between israel/palestine territory and the mayan calendar...maybe it\'s just me:confused:

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Posted by SlimPickens on 18 Aug, 2005 13:28
the confused banana might be my favorite smiley. When well placed it always cracks me up.

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Posted by Jim Cobb on 18 Aug, 2005 13:29
the long count is only one of 9 underworlds that are laid on top of each other exponentially all ending on october 28th, 2011 (the 2012 date has been recently found to be inaccurate). each of these underworlds are projections of the tzolkin count (13x20) that all stem from the endpoint, which according to the mayan calendar will be the end of the process of devine creation. The different underworlds are as follows:

Universal - 13x20 kins (260 days duration) [?]
Galactic - 13x20(to the 0 power) tuns (12.8 years duration) [information technology]
Planetary - 13x20(to the 1 power) tuns (256 years) [industrialism]
National (Long Count) - 13x20(to the 2 power) tuns (5,125 years) [written language]
Regional - 13x20(to the 3 power) tuns (102,000 years) [spoken language]
Tribal - 13x20(to the 4 power) tuns (2 million years) [first humans]
Familial - 13x20(to the 5 power) tuns (41 million years) [first primates]
Mamallian - 13x20(to the 6 power) tuns (820 million years) [first animals]
Cellular - 13x20(to the 7 power) tuns (16.4 billion years) [matter: big bang]

the end of the world is not what is prophesized. it\'s the end of the world AS WE KNOW IT. the universal underworld leading up to the end date of all the underworlds (oct 28th 2011) will bring about the unity to the duality of man which dominated the national underworld, favoring western (left-brain) thought, followed by a universal spiritual blindfold in the planetary underworld, and now, currently a dualist galactic underworld favoring easter (rightbrain) thought, followed by a balance in the universal underworld. ok enough of this for now...

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Quote from: Mamalakabubadaya
adding on to that...i don\'t see the connection between the constant conflict between israel/palestine territory and the mayan calendar...maybe it\'s just me:confused:
understanding how the mayan calendar can be used prophetically (is that a word?) requires a fairly indepth knowledge of all the cycles of the calendar and how it applies to human history.

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Posted by SlimPickens on 18 Aug, 2005 13:32
or maybe just the end of the calander as they wrote it. my calander ends on Dec 31st, then I go to Staples and buy a new one.