Also, please read my post more clearly. I stated earlier, Nothing good has come out of A war. Iraq has as much to do with this subject as anything else. I am asking you what will be the positive outcome of this war, in respect to your analysis of the economy? Gas is already upsurd.
Zappa, Hilter knew what those bombs could do I bet. The US knew that Hitler had intentions to us them.
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If you want to read something really scarey though, look at what the plans were for the attack on new york hitler planned with biological warfare.
one example: Infest nats and flies with random diseases like smallpox and plague. freeze them. load them into a bomb and fly to america in a sub orbital path (keeping them frozen). When it reached the target, drop bomb over city. the only explosion was to break the sides off after x amount of time, releasing the bugs. As they fell and the temperature rose, they would thaw and go down to the city to bite humans, spreading germ warfare instantaniously.Quote from: Ant-Man(400TH POST!):thumbsup:
Quote from: SpaceyAlso, please read my post more clearly. I stated earlier, Nothing good has come out of A war. Iraq has as much to do with this subject as anything else. I am asking you what will be the positive outcome of this war, in respect to your analysis of the economy? Gas is already upsurd.
This thread has absolutely nothing to do with Iraq. When you realized you could no longer defend yourself on the WW2 discussion, you decided to jump into an unrelated and less convincing conflict that is publicly unpopular.
WW2 was worth defeating the stronghold of tyranny and hatred. I guess you would prefer to live in the world that would have resulted from a pacifist stance by the U.S. in the early 1940\'s.
Now that the economies of China, India and others in the Pacific Rim are becoming more expansive (and thus competetive) they are competing with the existing financial superpowers (U.S. etc.) for the oil reserves (demanding more) - creating a strain on global supply. If you\'ll read it, I\'ll grant you access to my online Wall St. Journal subscription - may help you compete against people that work in the investment industry on economic issues.
Nothing is wrong with a healthy debate on the boards, **** I learned some stuff I didn\'t know since then. In fact I\'d rather debate politics/religion on a board then in face.
as long as you don\'t attack someone personally, then I say it\'s all good.
we are all adults
for the record
the USS Indianapolis delivered the bomb, not the USS Arizona as was stated earlier.
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the USS Indianapolis delivered the bomb, not the USS Arizona as was stated earlier.
yea, I caught that one myself watching the discovery channels special... pretty dumb mistake on my part. I planned on editing it next time I was on the board (now) but was caught out!
that\'s ok paul...it was easier for me since i was actually there and all!
for the record
the USS Indianapolis delivered the bomb, not the USS Arizona as was stated earlier. also, while pearl harbor was full of "military targets", we were NOT at war with japan at the time. it was a cowardly act plain and simple. the bombing, while horrific, was done while under a declaration of war and after a fair warning was given to the japanese government. while the 200,000 killed is most certainly a tragedy, this was done to save AMERICAN lives. we certainly could and would have defeated the japanese, but at what cost to ourselves. Truman had to make one of the hardest decisions that ever had to be made in the history of the world, and while villified by even his own countrymen at the time, his staure in history continues to grow IMO. W couldn\'t hold trumans dick for him to take a ****. paul is correct, germany would have used this weapon very soon if we hadn\'t. end of story!
i also visited pearl harbor three years ago. while standing on the signing deck of the USS Missouri, i looked out over the harbor to see three Japanese warships tied up. they were there for some multi national military excercise, but i cain\'t begin to explain how SEReal that was. bottom line......Truman was a hero!!!
Quote from: oldnewbiefor the record
the USS Indianapolis delivered the bomb, not the USS Arizona as was stated earlier. also, while pearl harbor was full of "military targets", we were NOT at war with japan at the time. it was a cowardly act plain and simple. the bombing, while horrific, was done while under a declaration of war and after a fair warning was given to the japanese government. while the 200,000 killed is most certainly a tragedy, this was done to save AMERICAN lives. we certainly could and would have defeated the japanese, but at what cost to ourselves. Truman had to make one of the hardest decisions that ever had to be made in the history of the world, and while villified by even his own countrymen at the time, his staure in history continues to grow IMO. W couldn\'t hold trumans dick for him to take a ****. paul is correct, germany would have used this weapon very soon if we hadn\'t. end of story!
i also visited pearl harbor three years ago. while standing on the signing deck of the USS Missouri, i looked out over the harbor to see three Japanese warships tied up. they were there for some multi national military excercise, but i cain\'t begin to explain how SEReal that was. bottom line......Truman was a hero!!!
I know I am jumping in on this late in the game but as far as the whole Pearl harbor argument goes as it being cowardly. I would remind you that many folks believe this to be a huge piece of propaganda. There is A LOT of evidence that suggests that FDR knew that the invasion was coming and allowed it to happen. Also as Americans we ALWAYS forget what was happening in Asia at the time. The US was flexing its muscles and was "colonoizing" territories in the region. At the Same time Japan was doing the same thing. It was inevitable that our 2 nations were gonna bump heads. So it wasn\'t like we were sitting there doing nothing and these big bad japanese came out of nowhere and bomb our naval base in Hawaii. I know thats what the history books say but it didn\'t really go down like that. Our country has always been right in the thick of it, most folks don\'t want to admit it becuase they loose that Moral High Ground they think they have as being American.
Americans call a cowardly attack "Pre-Emptive War" so it sounds better.
So as for the argument about Germany would have used the Bomb if they had it. Maybe they would have but we will never know and that argument has nothing to do with us dropping 2 of them on Japan. Not 1 but 2. It wasn\'t 200,000 solders that died, it was 200,000 women, children, aged, disabled, solders, etc etc etc.
So did it save American servicemen lives, Sure it did. It is probably why I am typing on this computer but lets not kid ourselves. After the first bomb was dropped and the damage seen (for the 1st time I might add) and several days later it was determined we should drop another knowing full well what was gonna happen.
I bet you that we wouldn\'t have dropped 2 of them on white folks or even mediterrean people. I doubt we would have dropped any on Germany for that matter. Too many allies around Germany not to mention they look like us. Japan was a fairly isolated "testing" ground for this weapon. No other nations close by so to speak. They aren\'t white God fearing Folk and they are Extremists.