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i\'ll give ya my copy
that good, huh!
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From what I read, the U.S. was planning a major land invasion or Japan as an alternative to the bombs. Experts say the likely scenario from that event could have been millions of casualties.
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From what I read, the U.S. was planning a major land invasion or Japan as an alternative to the bombs. Experts say the likely scenario from that event could have been millions of casualties.
Absolutely right. One of the reasons for the US to decide to drop the bombs instead of invading was that the casulities that would be inflicted by a land invasion. The thought was to drop the bomb and save American lives because as we learned in Vietnam, we knew not much about the Japanese interior. -
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I guess the bright side is that Japan has since become a great friend and key trading partner in the decades that followed the bombs. They probably wouldn\'t have built one of the world\'s strongest economies if we didn\'t play a major role in the restructuring/nation building after the conclusion of the war.
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I guess the bright side is that Japan has since become a great friend and key trading partner in the decades that followed the bombs. They probably wouldn\'t have built one of the world\'s strongest economies if we didn\'t play a major role in the restructuring/nation building after the conclusion of the war.
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Quote from: Ant-ManQuote from: alexanderzurflu
I guess the bright side is that Japan has since become a great friend and key trading partner in the decades that followed the bombs. They probably wouldn\'t have built one of the world\'s strongest economies if we didn\'t play a major role in the restructuring/nation building after the conclusion of the war.
It all happend for the good in the end.
I wouldn\'t say that entirely. Nothing good has ever come out of a war. Think of all the casualties and now tell me that because a few rich people became more wealthy of it, it is good. (I know what you mean Ant-Man)
Although our economy is very important and has made this country and a few select families extremely wealthy, I can not bring myself to believe that hundreds of thousands of lives lost can bring out any good in the end. -
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i jumped around a lot because some of the stories just didn\'t interest me. but some of the chapters a mindblowing.Quote from: SlimPickensi\'ll give ya my copy
that good, huh!
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Bring it!
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Quote from: SpaceyQuote from: Ant-ManQuote from: alexanderzurflu
I guess the bright side is that Japan has since become a great friend and key trading partner in the decades that followed the bombs. They probably wouldn\'t have built one of the world\'s strongest economies if we didn\'t play a major role in the restructuring/nation building after the conclusion of the war.
It all happend for the good in the end.
I wouldn\'t say that entirely. Nothing good has ever come out of a war. Think of all the casualties and now tell me that because a few rich people became more wealthy of it, it is good. (I know what you mean Ant-Man)
Although our economy is very important and has made this country and a few select families extremely wealthy, I can not bring myself to believe that hundreds of thousands of lives lost can bring out any good in the end.
(disclaimer: I generally don\'t scold people on .info and try to keep relations as amicable as possible, though I think one is warranted in this situation. Otherwise, I\'ve got nothing but love for the Spaceboy and he\'s been a great fan and strong advocate for our favorite band).
Nothing good has come out of war? I guess you believe the world was a safer, more peaceful place before and during WW2? We didn\'t go to war with Japan to become wealthy, though both countries have experienced major economic benefits as a result of the strong alliance we forged in the years following the conclusion.
Would you prefer to live in the world that may exist if we didn\'t participate WW2? Freedom has costs associated with it.
Japan has had a vibrant economy over the last half century, a place they wouldn\'t necessarily be in without our help. When an economy is healthy, jobs are created across the spectrum, from low-paying wages, middle class wages to the upper end of senior management. Regardless of who reaps the greatest rewards, almost every social class benefits from a strong economy. Spacey, I think you may have a narrow view of economic prosperity. You could use a primer on economics before you make any more foolish, narrow-minded statements (yes, I say this to the person who thought it would be funny if rich people died from **** poisoning). You can trash rich people all you want, though I\'m sure these "evil creeps" wouldn\'t wish a poisoned **** death on you. When you do finally get a job, it will most likely be the result of a productive rich person expanding headcount at his/her firm, so maybe then you will realize the ripple effect of a strong economy.
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I think what he is trying to say, regardless of all the outcomes, still 200,000 human lives were at steak.
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Well, first off let me clear this misunderstanding. When I stated, "How funny it would be when all the rich people started to die from bad ****", I didn\'t mean it literally, like ha ha or I would have put a smiley face after it as such,
. I would like you all who flame me every chance you get to STOP reading to deep into my posts. I will not clarify my earlier statement as I feel it has been to long.
Another thing, Ant-Man and myself are friends and good ones at that. He knows me personally and understands my "scolding" and breaking his balls.
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Again, you think anything good is coming out of this Irag war? Please, tell me and tell all the families that are losing members what good it is. Although, I may need a primer course on economy, I don\'t think I am far off.
Here is one thing that a war solves, debt. That is it. War will get a country out of debt.
It is tough and wrong to debate this because so much will need to be typed and all of that.
I wasn\'t trashing the rich either, see statement earlier. I can\'t answer your questions at living in a time when I was around to experience what really was taking place. Although, I can make educated guesses at what it will be like.Quote from: Ant-ManI think what he is trying to say, regardless of all the outcomes, still 200,000 human lives were at steak.
in so many words...
I can\'t and you can\'t put a price on peoples lives. I guess Al can though
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i don\'t know, there\'s a lot of greed out there. I think it would make a lot more folks ok with fighting these battles if the wealthy (who benefit the most from these wars), would get out from behind their desks and pick up a gun.
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i don\'t know, there\'s a lot of greed out there. I think it would make a lot more folks ok with fighting these battles if the wealthy (who benefit the most from these wars), would get out from behind their desks and pick up a gun.
My point exactly. My grandfather had to fight in the pacific. Hypothetically, he lost his life but my grandmother gets a job in a factory, my mother and her 2 brothers lose a father but its cool because my grandmother has a job.
In the long run, I can see how war can get a country out of debt but the reality is that so many people have to put up the risk. It\'s like our congress and many politicians out there, only 1 member of congress has a son/daughter in the military.
As the middle class suffers because it is our brothers and sisters and friends who lose their lives, the rich sit back and make more money, but at least they are kind enough to give me a job! I\'d rather be poor and struggling with my entire family then to have my brother (who is in the Air Force) be put into a box and sent home. That\'s just me. The super wealthy may produce jobs and that may be productive but it just doesn\'t make up for the dead. -
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I would like you all who flame me every chance you get to STOP reading to deep into my posts.
Again, you think anything good is coming out of this Irag war?
I can\'t and you can\'t put a price on peoples lives. I guess Al can though
If everyone misunderstands what you are saying, than maybe you need to learn how to express yourself more clearly.
What does my analysis of WW2 have to do with Iraq? Don\'t bring up something unrelated to the subject at hand.
Did I place a price on people\'s lives? Nope - just stated that the world is a better place after the tyranny and hate of WW2 was defeated. -