Who\'s got my heady download?
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ok so we get a good turnout here...awesome,oh wait lets talkshit about the venue so no one shows up next time...sweet
I totally understand your frustration Ad. It\'s gotta suck when you do everything right to book a well-timed show and you perform well too, but then the venue staff goes and screws it all up for you. However, it is not reasonable to expect fans to not speak openly about their experiences at shows. If a whole bunch of people have a similar bad experience at a show, they\'re going to get on the internet and shout it out. You can\'t possibly expect everyone to keep quiet for the good of future booking, especially when they feel like they were wronged.
It is pretty simple.
If the fans hate the venue, they will not go. If they do not go, there will be no show.
The band needs to communicate this to the venue. If the venue gives you a hard time, you go on to the next venue.
Find a venue that you like to work with and that likes to work with you and really develop that relationship.
No sense in playing Harper\'s Ferry if they are going to curb the attendance of the show with a power trip attitude.
not to rub it in anyones face, but I was absolutely hammered when I got to Harper\'s Ferry, I budged the line right in front of the bouncers, and I was wearing a bright orange t-shirt that said "Los Angeles County Jail" and the bouncers didnt give me one problem getting in :duck:
From the sounds of it, it seems like the more tame you acted, the better chance you had of getting **** from them at the door. If they ever play there again, everyone should drink a 750ml of whisky beforehand and act line buffoons in line, then maybe we\'ll all get in.
I did see them treat people like absolute ****, and it was seemingly random too. Maybe I just wasnt one of the unlucky ones who happened to be in front of them when they decided to trip on power.
Totally random with exception of a couple who were clearly and overtly spun to the end... I guess the liability if they let em in and they die on the way home if pretty serious. Beleive it or not They ALMOST didn\'t let me in.
not to rub it in anyones face, but I was absolutely hammered when I got to Harper\'s Ferry, I budged the line right in front of the bouncers, and I was wearing a bright orange t-shirt that said "Los Angeles County Jail" and the bouncers didnt give me one problem getting in :duck:
From the sounds of it, it seems like the more tame you acted, the better chance you had of getting **** from them at the door. If they ever play there again, everyone should drink a 750ml of whisky beforehand and act line buffoons in line, then maybe we\'ll all get in.
I did see them treat people like absolute ****, and it was seemingly random too. Maybe I just wasnt one of the unlucky ones who happened to be in front of them when they decided to trip on power.
Totally random with exception of a couple who were clearly and overtly spun to the end... I guess the liability if they let em in and they die on the way home if pretty serious. Beleive it or not They ALMOST didn\'t let me in.
This is what it\'s all about right here. Lawsuits make the world go round. As usual, I\'m speaking from the venue perspective, but every single venue policy that makes you bang your head against the wall in frustration was implemented because some jackass sued the club over an injury caused by their own flaming stupidity. Toad\'s gets sued all the time. They happen to have a great a lawyer, but to expand upon Josh\'s point: In theory I could slam 10 shots at one bar, walk across the street to another bar and order a drink before they\'ve really hit me. If I get in the car after an crash I can sue the 2nd bar for serving me while intoxicated. I probably won\'t win, but some small places can\'t afford to go to court, so they settle for a (relatively) small sum. Toad\'s happens to see defending these suits as cost of doing business, but for a smaller bar they can be crippling.
The best way to fix this would be to have the booking agent provide a list of these policies to fan sites such as this one, so people are at least aware of the rules before they go.
not to rub it in anyones face, but I was absolutely hammered when I got to Harper\'s Ferry, I budged the line right in front of the bouncers, and I was wearing a bright orange t-shirt that said "Los Angeles County Jail" and the bouncers didnt give me one problem getting in :duck:
From the sounds of it, it seems like the more tame you acted, the better chance you had of getting **** from them at the door. If they ever play there again, everyone should drink a 750ml of whisky beforehand and act line buffoons in line, then maybe we\'ll all get in.
I did see them treat people like absolute ****, and it was seemingly random too. Maybe I just wasnt one of the unlucky ones who happened to be in front of them when they decided to trip on power.
Totally random with exception of a couple who were clearly and overtly spun to the end... I guess the liability if they let em in and they die on the way home if pretty serious. Beleive it or not They ALMOST didn\'t let me in.
This is what it\'s all about right here. Lawsuits make the world go round. As usual, I\'m speaking from the venue perspective, but every single venue policy that makes you bang your head against the wall in frustration was implemented because some jackass sued the club over an injury caused by their own flaming stupidity. Toad\'s gets sued all the time. They happen to have a great a lawyer, but to expand upon Josh\'s point: In theory I could slam 10 shots at one bar, walk across the street to another bar and order a drink before they\'ve really hit me. If I get in the car after an crash I can sue the 2nd bar for serving me while intoxicated. I probably won\'t win, but some small places can\'t afford to go to court, so they settle for a (relatively) small sum. Toad\'s happens to see defending these suits as cost of doing business, but for a smaller bar they can be crippling.
The best way to fix this would be to have the booking agent provide a list of these policies to fan sites such as this one, so people are at least aware of the rules before they go.
Does anyone ever win those lawsuits? Seems pretty ridiculous that liability could fall on a bar for serving someone who makes the choice to get drunk and the choice to get behind the wheel. How is that the bars fault in anyway whatsoever regardless of whether the person has had one or ten drinks?
not to rub it in anyones face, but I was absolutely hammered when I got to Harper\'s Ferry, I budged the line right in front of the bouncers, and I was wearing a bright orange t-shirt that said "Los Angeles County Jail" and the bouncers didnt give me one problem getting in :duck:
From the sounds of it, it seems like the more tame you acted, the better chance you had of getting **** from them at the door. If they ever play there again, everyone should drink a 750ml of whisky beforehand and act line buffoons in line, then maybe we\'ll all get in.
I did see them treat people like absolute ****, and it was seemingly random too. Maybe I just wasnt one of the unlucky ones who happened to be in front of them when they decided to trip on power.
Totally random with exception of a couple who were clearly and overtly spun to the end... I guess the liability if they let em in and they die on the way home if pretty serious. Beleive it or not They ALMOST didn\'t let me in.
This is what it\'s all about right here. Lawsuits make the world go round. As usual, I\'m speaking from the venue perspective, but every single venue policy that makes you bang your head against the wall in frustration was implemented because some jackass sued the club over an injury caused by their own flaming stupidity. Toad\'s gets sued all the time. They happen to have a great a lawyer, but to expand upon Josh\'s point: In theory I could slam 10 shots at one bar, walk across the street to another bar and order a drink before they\'ve really hit me. If I get in the car after an crash I can sue the 2nd bar for serving me while intoxicated. I probably won\'t win, but some small places can\'t afford to go to court, so they settle for a (relatively) small sum. Toad\'s happens to see defending these suits as cost of doing business, but for a smaller bar they can be crippling.
The best way to fix this would be to have the booking agent provide a list of these policies to fan sites such as this one, so people are at least aware of the rules before they go.
Does anyone ever win those lawsuits? Seems pretty ridiculous that liability could fall on a bar for serving someone who makes the choice to get drunk and the choice to get behind the wheel. How is that the bars fault in anyway whatsoever regardless of whether the person has had one or ten drinks?
It does.
If the bar serves a knowingly or seemingly drunk person, they are liable. That is where Liquor Liability comes into play.
Winning a lawsuit is really not important as much as the possibility of a law suit. Which just having to get your lawyer involved can cost a lot of time and money.
It is prudent for bars, clubs and liquor stores to take that responsibility. Removing all the potential risks.
It is there business. They can run it like they want.
America is in love with law suits ever since that dumb
**** spilt coffee on herself.
not to rub it in anyones face, but I was absolutely hammered when I got to Harper\'s Ferry, I budged the line right in front of the bouncers, and I was wearing a bright orange t-shirt that said "Los Angeles County Jail" and the bouncers didnt give me one problem getting in :duck:
From the sounds of it, it seems like the more tame you acted, the better chance you had of getting **** from them at the door. If they ever play there again, everyone should drink a 750ml of whisky beforehand and act line buffoons in line, then maybe we\'ll all get in.
I did see them treat people like absolute ****, and it was seemingly random too. Maybe I just wasnt one of the unlucky ones who happened to be in front of them when they decided to trip on power.
Totally random with exception of a couple who were clearly and overtly spun to the end... I guess the liability if they let em in and they die on the way home if pretty serious. Beleive it or not They ALMOST didn\'t let me in.
This is what it\'s all about right here. Lawsuits make the world go round. As usual, I\'m speaking from the venue perspective, but every single venue policy that makes you bang your head against the wall in frustration was implemented because some jackass sued the club over an injury caused by their own flaming stupidity. Toad\'s gets sued all the time. They happen to have a great a lawyer, but to expand upon Josh\'s point: In theory I could slam 10 shots at one bar, walk across the street to another bar and order a drink before they\'ve really hit me. If I get in the car after an crash I can sue the 2nd bar for serving me while intoxicated. I probably won\'t win, but some small places can\'t afford to go to court, so they settle for a (relatively) small sum. Toad\'s happens to see defending these suits as cost of doing business, but for a smaller bar they can be crippling.
The best way to fix this would be to have the booking agent provide a list of these policies to fan sites such as this one, so people are at least aware of the rules before they go.
Does anyone ever win those lawsuits? Seems pretty ridiculous that liability could fall on a bar for serving someone who makes the choice to get drunk and the choice to get behind the wheel. How is that the bars fault in anyway whatsoever regardless of whether the person has had one or ten drinks?
It does.
If the bar serves a knowingly or seemingly drunk person, they are liable. That is where Liquor Liability comes into play.
Winning a lawsuit is really not important as much as the possibility of a law suit. Which just having to get your lawyer involved can cost a lot of time and money.
It is prudent for bars, clubs and liquor stores to take that responsibility. Removing all the potential risks.
It is there business. They can run it like they want.
America is in love with law suits ever since that dumb **** spilt coffee on herself.
exactly.....when i worked in a liquor store, we wouldn\'t serve people all the time because they were drunk or smelt like booze. It\'s much cheaper to lose one customer than being shut down for 3 days and facing fines is
Last I checked booze and "spun" isn\'t a lethal combo
As Pesci once said... "There\'s ways to do things, and there\'s ways not to." If they\'re gonna treat us like pieces of
**** & power trip because they\'re trying to make up for their own "little" problems...
**** \'EM & their ferry! Doesn\'t matter how good the show or venue is if people aren\'t there to see it & they\'re going home pissed-off after driving a long way & getting denied entry! It was more the way people were thrown out than the fact that they threw people out.
That is sick... Is that a Trey bobblehead driving the party bus??:biggrin:
got any bonus footage: security pricks in action?
