ha ha ha TMM, linkin park and good charlotte aren\'t really even punk bands... they\'re, god, I don\'t now what they are... crap? I think he was just kidding. However, don\'t knock live punk too much; have you ever been to a punk show? Riotous good times.

I have seen many a punk rock show/played in punk rock shows/recorded live punk rock shows.... but that\'s beside the point.

After being well-conditioned into the likings of improvisational jamming, a friend of mine bought me a ticket to see Incubus. I figured, what the hell? I don\'t own anything by the band, but I have heard them on the radio too many damn times to not know what some of the songs were going to be played.

After the show all I could say was, "Yep. They played all the hits from the radio, (1), all the songs sounded correct, no technically misdoings in playing each song (2), and (3) all the songs sounded exactly as they do on any of their studio recordings." Nothing had changed. Beyong all that... the show I saw was the same show from the night before, and the night after and so on... i personally would get bored playing that same **** everynight.

Well I was dissappointed to say the least. It wasn\'t the bands\' fault, because they don\'t play any improv or jams for that matter. Each song as short and sweet as they were written.

I dunno... for some reason I like to see the songs get changed up a bit. PB, Phish, the Dead, you can recognize which song is being played, but for the most part, it is way different than the last time the song was played live. Ya\'ll follow?

Thus, we in the show going community, can do such things as go on a three week run with a band, and never see the same show twice. You may hear a repeat of a song, but it is still different than the first time you saw it being played.

This is never true with the industry standard Top 40 rock tunes/punk/rap.

At least Rage spawned a lot of the new Top 40 bullshit and is not a product of it.

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"go on and gItChu onE"

btw.... my favorite punk rock band/album is as follows....
The Dwarves -- Blood, Guts, and ****

I dunno if the last post was at all directed to me or not, but if so... i am not talking about Springstein.
I am talking about the much more recent disgrace that our national radio stations/MtV are producing. This is more along the lines of SoD, Puddle of ****, Slipknot, Sum41, etc, etc, etc.... It\'s all music that came out of the popularity of Rage, Korn, Slayer, etc. So much so that these groups aren\'t even given as much respect as they once had. All these new groups make up yet another new genre that I have been so far out of the loop for so long that I don\'t even know what to call it.  The only thing I do know is that music from 12 of these bands, could easily be played by one band, and no one would know the difference.
The only reason I feel this way, really, is because I play in a band that practices in a storage garage, where, all around us, there are other bands that are infatuated with the glamour or whatever of groups like these... and to me... it all sounds like shitting. Yea! more and more bar chords. Too many to handle.  That\'s all i can ramble about this.........

gitChu ONe

Originally posted by jocelyn
However, I would like to take this moment to make this reminder: music doesn\'t have to be technical, and there doesn\'t have to be improv., for it to be good! I am so sick of all of the music snobs out there (especially in the "jam band" community) who are constantly writing off bands because their songs aren\'t technical enough. Yes, a Zappa-esque composition is mind boggling. But, a simple song can be beautiful too. I guess all I\'m trying to say is that I consider a song to be good if it moves me or challenges me in some way or another, be it emotionally or intellectually. Screw everything else.

AMEN SISTA!

Originally posted by jocelyn
Yeah, pop music sucks now. If I had a **** I\'d tell Top 40 to suck it.

quote of the year ladies and gents, quote of the year...

However, I would like to take this moment to make this reminder: music doesn\'t have to be technical, and there doesn\'t have to be improv., for it to be good! I am so sick of all of the music snobs out there (especially in the "jam band" community) who are constantly writing off bands because their songs aren\'t technical enough. Yes, a Zappa-esque composition is mind boggling. But, a simple song can be beautiful too. I guess all I\'m trying to say is that I consider a song to be good if it moves me or challenges me in some way or another, be it emotionally or intellectually. Screw everything else.

couldnt agree more joc, I love technical music, but you always need that simple song thrown in there every now and then just so you can sit back and not have to think. Thats why i love phish\'s strange design. dont get much simpiler, but it sounds beautiful and gives you a nice break in a show to relax. I find the more complex the song, the more you need a simple song to relax with. Also, gotta agree on live punk. fun as hell when your there, but I only own a couple of clash and ramones tapes.

wow.. thanks, leith.. i didn\'t even know this was out...

dirt cheap too! only $9.98 here!