^^^I don\'t really get it man. First of all there are tons of Boston fans here in Chicago that don\'t live and die with every pitch/get off on Yankee losses--that\'s obviously an east coast culture.  Second of all, your team starts winning, and winning in dramatic fashion, year after year and you\'re just going to quit being a part of the goods?

Dude, try living in Chicago as a Cub fan. The same bullshit goes on between Cubs and White Sox fans, maybe not to the same extent, but **** gets ugly and ridiculous often. I\'m personally not one to gloat when the Sox lose here, I enjoy both teams successes. On top of it I find that the collective Cub fan community could be the WORST of any. I hate going to Wrigley Field, especially if it\'s a important game. I hate all the retarded drunk **** that forget about the game, I hate the **** "Go Cubs Go" song when we win, I hate all the kool-aid drinkers that really do still think next year is our year, I hate the 7th inning stretch sing along, I hate Wrigleyville bars stocked with raging meatheads and pink pin-striped frat girls, I hate Cubs talk radio. **** it, the culture around the Cubs sucks now. All of the magic I felt as a kid is gone. As much as I want to, I will never be able to realistically turn my back on this team. If I ever see them win a championship I might seriously shed some tears. But as far as the grand culture goes I have all but removed myself from it. I love baseball, I love the Cubs, and that\'s where my focus lies. I have consciously faded out all of the bullshit surrounding Cub-nation and feel better off because of it.

I gotchya. Well then, I agree with your position. I disassociate myself from the common Cub fan by being very quiet in my desperate desire for post-season victories.

I just re-read your post and you expressed yourself articulately explaining exactly what I questioned you on. I always have to remind myself to not speed read through long posts, for reasons like this.

Rays in 6

American League- Gold Glove
P, Mike Mussina, NYY
C, Joe Mauer, MIN
1B, Carlos Pena, TB
2B, Dustin Pedroia, BOS
3B, Adrian Beltre, SEA
SS, Michael Young, TEX
OF, Torii Hunter, LAA
OF, Grady Sizemore, CLE
OF, Ichiro Suzuki, SEA

wheres the headie 2008-2009 basketball threads?

Onstage in Chicago this week, Smashing Pumpkins front man Billy Corgan called out Pearl Jam\'s Eddie Vedder for, of all things, the Cubs\' disappointing season. See, a few months ago Vedder wrote a song about the Cubs called "All the Way," and Corgan, a die-hard fan, thinks he jinxed them. "If the Cubs did have a chance this last year that just passed, fuckin? Eddie Vedder killed that **** dead. Last I checked Eddie ain?t living here, okay? Eddie ain?t living here to write a song about my fuckin? team." We guess this is what alt-rock feuds look like when everyone\'s in their forties.