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Those were good times and good memories. I remember being broke for a month after buying the Vader costume for the Baker Quad show.
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that venue pic looks like the lions den, but nicer
Beardslee Halloween show 05 there were like 700 paid that night and it was a total **** show
I just did a little research, that IS the Lion\'s Den
Wow. I am really surprised I didn\'t pick up on that.
I thought the pics looked like a much nicer Lion\'s Den and know CEG books the place but figured it was a new venue.
Weird because on the map it just didn\'t look right. Oh well. from the pictures I hope the renovated the place. I might give it another chance. And don\'t have to worry to much about taping bands there
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Best crowds I\'ve ever seen:
The thing everyone forgets about the cd release party for deuce was that most of the people there WERE NOT THERE FOR PSYCHEDELIC BREAKFAST. Oysterhead had played their one show in new orleans and were now announcing that they were going on tour. The tour was going to have two pre-tour shows, the first of which was going to be at toads place in the begining of september. 6/1/01, in a brilliant marketing move was not only the night of the breakfasts cd release party, but it was also the night the tickets went on sale for this, the first show of oysterhead after the new orleans show. As you stood in the croud, there was a line that snaked from the front door back to the bar and then back to the front door again along the back wall which was all the people waiting for tickets. They got to watch the show while waiting in line, but most of them probably would not have otherwise been there, and a good majority of them left as soon as they got their oysterhead tickets.
6. Camp Creek 7/27/01
Biggest crowds I\'ve ever seen (not counting festivals, per the rules):
1. Deuce CD release at Toad\'s, 6/1/01. To the best of my knowledge it is the only Toad\'s sellout. You couldn\'t move. We also did over $1,500 in merch that night, that has to be a record.
Oysterhead never played toads place. 9/11 happened and the show was scheduled for only a few days after that, to be followed the next night in nyc. Both pre-tour shows were scrapped.
Don\'t get me wrong, there were a lot of people getting down in line and they probably made some fans, but there were just as many that were completely ignoring the band on stage.
and,
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Man, I hate to ask, but where did all these kids go? What happened to prevent the crowds from gradually INCREASING in the future?
Al pretty much took care of this one, but I\'ll throw my abridged version in. One day I\'ll sit down and write 20 pages about this but not for this post:
UMass 99-02 was a very special circumstance that existed in a certain time and place. A lot of things had to go right, and a lot of fortunate circumstances had to come together at the same time for it to exist, and they did. It was incredible but not sustainable.
The biggest factor was a MAJOR hipppie clique of about 250 kids who were all friends, mostly from Baker dorm. I know this may seem impossible, but you have to take my word for it. This was State U networking of the highest order. You could count on ALL of these kids at the same shows and parties every time, and Psychedelic Breakfast was our band. It was great, but it couldn\'t last forever. Kids go their separate ways after college. Everyone went for equal parts the music and for each other, and when you took the "each other" out of the equation, most slowly fell off the Breakfast landscape.
The second biggest factor was the closing of Butterfield. (I made a classic post about this at the old yahoo group that you can read here.) As the band moved to the clubs you started to get a division of UMass fans: those who had been to Butterfield shows, and those who hadn\'t. Even though the early Northampton club shows were equally epic and constant sellouts, there was no way anyone who hadn\'t been in Butterfield could get on board at the same level of ferocity.
The third factor is the fact that the band was getting bigger and touring wider and you couldn\'t go see them 3 nights a week all the time like we were doing in 00-01.
And the last factor I have to take a hit on. Looking back I feel like I could have done a better job networking with some of the big buzzkids a couple of years younger than me and having them smoothly take over handling Breakfast grassroots and parties and stuff after I left. There was nothing I could do to overcome the three factors above, the scene was never going to last at the level it was at. But if I had done a better job passing the torch the dropoff could have been slower and wouldn\'t have bottomed out at the point that it did.
Like I said, I\'ve got 20-30 pages in me about the rise and fall of this era, but I feel like I owe a brief answer right now.
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Classic photo there: lele, Davepeck, me, Jocelyn, and FrankZappa basking in the afterglow of Camp Creek 2001, #6 on my list. -
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Sportin\' a Wolfstock shirt there champ?
Well hopefully your 20-30 pages will be partially recited as part of TB\'s future documentary, in the section titled "The Early Psychedelic Days", when the fanbase has grown immensely and live footage is taken exclusively from their recent sell-out NYE show at the Roseland Ballroom. Ya\' know those scenes where the band is all leaning forward with their elbows on their knees, slight smerk, staring at the ground ahead, waiting to chime in with their funny bits every once in awhile, while the scene\'s story-teller continues through the interruptions getting more excited and the director cuts just as everyone busts a gut. Every rock-doc has \'em. -
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this is all incredibly interesting...i love breakfistory...
also, this is the funniest thing ive ever seen...please read and comment (espicially those who can relate). did anyonne live/know anyone who lived here during the early-mid 90\'s?
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Best crowds I\'ve ever seen:
The thing everyone forgets about the cd release party for deuce was that most of the people there WERE NOT THERE FOR PSYCHEDELIC BREAKFAST. Oysterhead had played their one show in new orleans and were now announcing that they were going on tour. The tour was going to have two pre-tour shows, the first of which was going to be at toads place in the begining of september. 6/1/01, in a brilliant marketing move was not only the night of the breakfasts cd release party, but it was also the night the tickets went on sale for this, the first show of oysterhead after the new orleans show. As you stood in the croud, there was a line that snaked from the front door back to the bar and then back to the front door again along the back wall which was all the people waiting for tickets. They got to watch the show while waiting in line, but most of them probably would not have otherwise been there, and a good majority of them left as soon as they got their oysterhead tickets.
6. Camp Creek 7/27/01
Biggest crowds I\'ve ever seen (not counting festivals, per the rules):
1. Deuce CD release at Toad\'s, 6/1/01. To the best of my knowledge it is the only Toad\'s sellout. You couldn\'t move. We also did over $1,500 in merch that night, that has to be a record.
Oysterhead never played toads place. 9/11 happened and the show was scheduled for only a few days after that, to be followed the next night in nyc. Both pre-tour shows were scrapped.
Don\'t get me wrong, there were a lot of people getting down in line and they probably made some fans, but there were just as many that were completely ignoring the band on stage.
again, wrong show.
oysterhead tickets went on sale at the 2001-08-23 pb toad\'s place show, not at the 2001-06-01 deuce cd release party.
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this is all incredibly interesting...i love breakfistory...
also, this is the funniest thing ive ever seen...please read and comment (espicially those who can relate). did anyonne live/know anyone who lived here during the early-mid 90\'s?
http://www.umasswiki.com/wiki/Butterfield
Wow, GREAT link there! Everything is true. Holy crap, that\'s a very good history. My only criticism is that it was clearly written by someone from the early 90\'s and he glossed over the final days of the Fall 99-Spring 01 period. I could give a 12-page version of that era. Stop me. The Baker Quad show (5/5/01) was but a few days after Tom Degnan fell off the roof, and The Breakfast dedicated Gladys Pimp to him at the show. The history of Butterfield is much, much bigger than the history of The Breakfast so it makes sense that PB is not mentioned in the article, but it\'s things like that dedication and even the song Honey Butter that let you know that The Breakfast were firmly intertwined with late Butterfield history and Butterfield is a major part of Breakfast history. -
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this is all incredibly interesting...i love breakfistory...
also, this is the funniest thing ive ever seen...please read and comment (espicially those who can relate). did anyonne live/know anyone who lived here during the early-mid 90\'s?
http://www.umasswiki.com/wiki/Butterfield
Wow, GREAT link there! Everything is true. Holy crap, that\'s a very good history. My only criticism is that it was clearly written by someone from the early 90\'s and he glossed over the Fall 99-Spring 01 period. I could give a 12-page version of that era. Stop me. The Baker Quad show (5/5/01) was but a few days after Tom Degnan fell off the roof, and The Breakfast dedicated Gladys Pimp to him at the show. The history of Butterfield is much, much bigger than the history of The Breakfast so it makes sense that PB is not mentioned in the article, but it\'s things like that dedication and even the song Honey Butter that let you know that The Breakfast were firmly intertwined with late Butterfield history and Butterfield is a major part of Breakfast history.
They should make a movie about this dorm, it would be the best movie of all time. better than animal house cause it would be a true story.
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on a side note, does anyone have pictures from any of the \'99 UMASS shows
I think Paul Ryan (FrankZappa) has some. Be sure to check out these pics from the last Butterfield show 3/30/01 here. There was a Wrestlemania at setbreak, complete with DeBlock (Yoda) dressed as Hulk Hogan. I have captioned many of the photos, be sure to read. -
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on a side note, does anyone have pictures from any of the \'99 UMASS shows
I think Paul Ryan (FrankZappa) has some. Be sure to check out these pics from the last Butterfield show 3/30/01 here. There was a Wrestlemania at setbreak, complete with DeBlock (Yoda) dressed as Hulk Hogan. I have captioned many of the photos, be sure to read.
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so did anyone from .info live in butterfield? who lived in baker?
Wolfman and I lived in Baker. My sister lived in Butterfield from 1997 - 2001. Wolfman was on the Butterfield meal program and ate there with the "family". Not sure if anyone else associated with UMass is registered here. -
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so did anyone from .info live in butterfield? who lived in baker?
Wolfman and I lived in Baker. My sister lived in Butterfield from 1997 - 2001. Wolfman was on the Butterfield meal program and ate there with the "family". Not sure if anyone else associated with UMass is registered here.
Yeah, I was as close as you could get without living there. I worked in the kitchen and ate all my meals there with those kids, and I helped book the shows there. Just didn\'t sleep there. There are no Butterfielders on .info. The only one who surfaces anymore is Teddy Torres, he still makes it to key shows but doesn\'t do .info. (He was Hugh Heffner at FF9.)
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Quote from: Wolfman;168143Quote from: alexanderzurflu;168140Quote from: ds673488;168132
so did anyone from .info live in butterfield? who lived in baker?
Wolfman and I lived in Baker. My sister lived in Butterfield from 1997 - 2001. Wolfman was on the Butterfield meal program and ate there with the "family". Not sure if anyone else associated with UMass is registered here.
Yeah, I was as close as you could get without living there. I worked in the kitchen and ate all my meals there with those kids, and I helped book the shows there. Just didn\'t sleep there. There are no Butterfielders on .info. The only one who surfaces anymore is Teddy Torres, he still makes it to key shows but doesn\'t do .info. (He was Hugh Heffner at FF9.)
Anyhow, who else has some crazy or huge crowds to talk about? I want to hear more stories!
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