Author Topic: New Love Lake is Epic!!! (Read 6031 times)

jocelyn · « **Reply #45 on:** February 09, 2006, 01:04:11 am »

Love Love Lake.. don\'t love Gypsy Girl... Leith was neither bashing Greg nor being rude... BRING BACK KOTE!

Me! · « **Reply #46 on:** February 09, 2006, 10:31:34 am »

Quote from: jocelyn

Leith was neither bashing Greg nor being rude...

I\'m pretty much just fuckin with him at this point Leith knows I love him! :biggrin:

obsession600 · « **Reply #47 on:** February 09, 2006, 11:30:16 am »

I thought it was just Leith and I that complained about leaving Timmy in the dark when he is melting faces. As a designer you have to remember that if your name is not on the playbill then people are primarily here to see the band not your lights. You are just gravy. Tasty gravy, but gravy nonetheless.

ellis-d · « **Reply #48 on:** February 16, 2006, 01:25:51 am »

i caught wind of this thread a couple of days ago, and i would just like to say the following:
1: I do not always have front light, and if i do, i almost always use it as much as i see fit, since most if the time its just white wash in the front i tend to leave it out unless they are singing.
2: I apologize to all photographers that have a hard time with my style, but until there is more money in the light fund, and in turn more equipment, there will continue to be numerous "dark" moments.
3: I am very capable of running conventionals and my lights at the same time leith, using the puppethouse as an example, is a very low blow in my opinion as im sure you saw what i was working with and you more than anybody should be understanding of what i was dealing with there.
4(and most important imo): I would like to refer all of you who feel my style unacceptable to a couple of dvds that I have found most reassuring to my self. The latest Radiohead show from 94 in London, and Primus\' Hallucinogenics show are both prime examples of bands with ld\'s that prefer not to use a lot of front light. It is a stylistic decision and one that I along with many other people use to convey an idea of wholeness as oppossed spotlighting somebody everytime they solo. It is something I have thought about for as long as I\'ve been doing this, and am very happy with the results. Hell, Radiohead\'s LD does the same thing, and they sell more tickets than just anybody on the planet in the last five years at least.

To those who feel I still need improvement, I wholeheartedly agree with you, I feel like every show i get a little better, but still have much improvement to go, but to those who do not enjoy my stylistic decisions, sorry, but that will not change anytime soon. So, I hope you all enjoy the show as much as I do, and look foward to seeing you all at the shows...

leith · « **Reply #49 on:** February 16, 2006, 02:24:24 am »

Quote from: ellis-d

i caught wind of this thread a couple of days ago, and i would just like to say the following:
1: I do not always have front light, and if i do, i almost always use it as much as i see fit, since most if the time its just white wash in the front i tend to leave it out unless they are singing.
2: I apologize to all photographers that have a hard time with my style, but until there is more money in the light fund, and in turn more equipment, there will continue to be numerous "dark" moments.
3: I am very capable of running conventionals and my lights at the same time leith, using the puppethouse as an example, is a very low blow in my opinion as im sure you saw what i was working with and you more than anybody should be understanding of what i was dealing with there.
4(and most important imo): I would like to refer all of you who feel my style unacceptable to a couple of dvds that I have found most reassuring to my self. The latest Radiohead show from 94 in London, and Primus\' Hallucinogenics show are both prime examples of bands with ld\'s that prefer not to use a lot of front light. It is a stylistic decision and one that I along with many other people use to convey an idea of wholeness as oppossed spotlighting somebody everytime they solo. It is something I have thought about for as long as I\'ve been doing this, and am very happy with the results. Hell, Radiohead\'s LD does the same thing, and they sell more tickets than just anybody on the planet in the last five years at least.

To those who feel I still need improvement, I wholeheartedly agree with you, I feel like every show i get a little better, but still have much improvement to go, but to those who do not enjoy my stylistic decisions, sorry, but that will not change anytime soon. So, I hope you all enjoy the show as much as I do, and look foward to seeing you all at the shows...

1. Buy some CTO and your front white wash will be way more acceptable to you for sure.
2.# 1 would help this one out.
3. Sorry
4. I know it is your style and we have discussed what I think of it. The difference is you are not Andy(Radiohead\'s LD) and do not have the equipment he does. I do think you have an idea of what you are trying to do but I think it is sometimes more in your mind\'s eye and does not translate to the aud. w/ the lights you currently have. I am sure in places like Toad\'s w/ movers and a sweet board you are better able to translate your vision.

As for your movers now, I think you could use a little more variety in your gobo washes and try placing your lights on a horizontal plane and get a wider wash across the stage. I think you could use one as back lighting (gobos on the wall or backdrop are always cool.
Anyway We all appreciate your work.

ellis-d · « **Reply #50 on:** February 16, 2006, 03:51:33 am »

its funny you say that, because i have running my lights from the ground on a horizontal plane and trying things out that way. Its been interesting trying different positions, and i feel like it might take another 6 months before i actually find what im lookin for

derickw · « **Reply #51 on:** February 16, 2006, 09:08:44 am »

Quote from: ellis-d

i caught wind of this thread a couple of days ago, and i would just like to say the following:
1: I do not always have front light, and if i do, i almost always use it as much as i see fit, since most if the time its just white wash in the front i tend to leave it out unless they are singing.
2: I apologize to all photographers that have a hard time with my style, but until there is more money in the light fund, and in turn more equipment, there will continue to be numerous "dark" moments.
3: I am very capable of running conventionals and my lights at the same time leith, using the puppethouse as an example, is a very low blow in my opinion as im sure you saw what i was working with and you more than anybody should be understanding of what i was dealing with there.
4(and most important imo): I would like to refer all of you who feel my style unacceptable to a couple of dvds that I have found most reassuring to my self. The latest Radiohead show from 94 in London, and Primus\' Hallucinogenics show are both prime examples of bands with ld\'s that prefer not to use a lot of front light. It is a stylistic decision and one that I along with many other people use to convey an idea of wholeness as oppossed spotlighting somebody everytime they solo. It is something I have thought about for as long as I\'ve been doing this, and am very happy with the results. Hell, Radiohead\'s LD does the same thing, and they sell more tickets than just anybody on the planet in the last five years at least.

To those who feel I still need improvement, I wholeheartedly agree with you, I feel like every show i get a little better, but still have much improvement to go, but to those who do not enjoy my stylistic decisions, sorry, but that will not change anytime soon. So, I hope you all enjoy the show as much as I do, and look foward to seeing you all at the shows...

I have no problems. i love the lights, i make them work out. especially from what we all saw no more than a year ago. and loving the lights lower and horizontally. my only request is more Ron light, i think sometimes he purposely finds the darkest part of the stage. how about two lights in front on either side of the stage and two on either side of Animal. i don\'t know........ not my place

leith · « **Reply #52 on:** February 16, 2006, 10:41:59 am »

Quote from: ellis-d

its funny you say that, because i have running my lights from the ground on a horizontal plane and trying things out that way. Its been interesting trying different positions, and i feel like it might take another 6 months before i actually find what im lookin for

6 months? w/ those lights? Come on. There is not THAT much to ponder w/ those pieces. They have what 11 colors and 7 gobos? What is there to look for?

Spacey · « **Reply #53 on:** February 16, 2006, 11:27:57 am »

The Light Show Takes Away From The Music!

leith · « **Reply #54 on:** February 16, 2006, 12:06:54 pm »

Quote from: Spacey

The Light Show Takes Away From The Music!

LOL
The thing is if the subject is being discussed then the LD is not doing his job as well as can be.
The Sound engineer and Lighting designer should never come up in a discussion about a show in any way other than the band sounded and looked good.
One\'s lighting style has to fit the band and cannot be forced. The style has to be beneficial to the band and if there are complaints from the fans who pay good money they should be listened to.
Gregg in his post basically said he is going to keep doing things his way and too bad for anyone else. He did say it nicely though.

Oh and one last thing the Radiohead DVD he mentions is from 12 years ago and that LD is no longer w/ them. Radiohead\'s show now consists of PLENTY of uplighting and front stage wash. hmm Wonder why?

Spacey · « **Reply #55 on:** February 16, 2006, 12:28:00 pm »

I didn\'t realize this thread was a serious discussion of lights.

I was just breaking balls.

leith · « **Reply #56 on:** February 16, 2006, 12:30:14 pm »

Quote from: Spacey

I didn\'t realize this thread was a serious discussion of lights.

I was just breaking balls.

Yeah I know thus my LOL but I just could not resist continuing my post.
I have been holding alot in on this issue and it is about time I vented. It really pisses me off when I see a subpar light show for a ripping band. That\'s all.

Oh and that is not to say every show by Greg is subpar. I am sure he blows people away each and every night he works.
Just not me.

jocelyn · « **Reply #57 on:** February 16, 2006, 12:46:01 pm »

wow ouch... jeepers Leith... that just rammed a redhot iron fire poker up the ass of constructive criticism...

leith · « **Reply #58 on:** February 16, 2006, 01:13:36 pm »

Yeah i think subpar is a better word. I was just a bit hot. Edited for peace

bezerker · « **Reply #59 on:** February 16, 2006, 03:41:06 pm »

:sigh:

If the band is happy with him, then i don\'t see why he has to deal with **** from the fans. if he had more money, there would be a better lightshow. Give the kid a break