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Not only is the bio OLD but the band photo still shows Jordan!
Click on the recordings link and there is no promo for The Breakfast nothing!
Under Availability they are listed as generally available though they have a tour coming up that even takes them to Canada.
Tour dates can often be found on Jambase before the Crescendo site.
What is the deal?
These are not things that take alot of effort to do or even keep track of.
IS anyone else wondering what can be done about this?
Does the band even know they have a booking agency that treats their image like this?
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100% behind you.
The little things make the difference. I have been saying for a while now that not only does the band need a new press package but they also need to have the band bio updated.
With the release of the new album and a tour to support the album you would think that there would be more buzz about the new album. Make people want it and they will buy it.
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I have also been wondering the same. The Crescendo site never pimps The Breakfast, and prefers to stream tracks by Shawn Camps & New Orleans Social Club (wait.who??).
Before those who view everything Breakfast through rose-colored glasses proceed to jump down Leith\'s throat, keep in mind it\'s important for every organization to discover it\'s strengths and weaknesses.
I hope Crescendo, who supposedly has major pull out west, tries to pair the band with some bands of significance on the next tour (a la the Breakfast-Moe pairing).
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oh leith... we all could not agree more.
and it seems you and i and spacey are the only ones who actually make any noise about it. i\'ve had so many discussions with fans (outside of .info) about how they are not marketed correctly, how the management is pretty much invisible, the press kit isn\'t updated, blah blah blah... but when it comes time to say something on the boards nobody wants to "ruffle any feathers".... so honestly, their apathy has rubbed off on me, and i just dont care anymore. i dont drive far away to see shows anymore, i dont promote them on the uconn campus, or invite people to join their group on uconn\'s "facebook".... i just do nothing, cuz thats what everyone else seems happy doing.
in this thread:
http://www.thebreakfast.info/forum/showthread.php?t=7132
i inquire as to why the press kit hasn\'t been updated in 2 years.... and SHOCK! no response.
furthermore, in this thread:
http://www.thebreakfast.info/forum/showthread.php?t=7621
i inquire as the the role of the management, and vic steffens eloqently tells me to "shut up"... at this point i sent him a private message trying to gain some insight into what the management actually was doing to help the band, and, surprise surprise... i got no response. real shocker there....
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oh leith... we all could not agree more.
This post makes me sad.
and it seems you and i and spacey are the only ones who actually make any noise about it. i\'ve had so many discussions with fans (outside of .info) about how they are not marketed correctly, how the management is pretty much invisible, the press kit isn\'t updated, blah blah blah... but when it comes time to say something on the boards nobody wants to "ruffle any feathers".... so honestly, their apathy has rubbed off on me, and i just dont care anymore. i dont drive far away to see shows anymore, i dont promote them on the uconn campus, or invite people to join their group on uconn\'s "facebook".... i just do nothing, cuz thats what everyone else seems happy doing.
in this thread:
http://www.thebreakfast.info/forum/showthread.php?t=7132
i inquire as to why the press kit hasn\'t been updated in 2 years.... and SHOCK! no response.
furthermore, in this thread:
http://www.thebreakfast.info/forum/showthread.php?t=7621
i inquire as the the role of the management, and vic steffens eloqently tells me to "shut up"... at this point i sent him a private message trying to gain some insight into what the management actually was doing to help the band, and, surprise surprise... i got no response. real shocker there....
call it a cop-out, flame away, whatever. i just dont care to have this fight anymore....
It is for this type of post I keep plugging away over management issues.
When one of the band\'s most ardent supporters decides it\'s not worth the effort anymore you gotta wonder about those fans that are not as **** and if they will bother to promote the band.
Esp. in this time of transition losing fan support or interest due to the band itself is one thing but to lose fan support over things like this that management can easily take care of is ridiculous.
We all know this bands best publicity is word of mouth. If the # of mouths to spread the word decreases....
Does anyone actually manage this band that can make things happen?
As far as I know Vic Steffens is the producer of their albums. It seems he is acting as an interim manager also.
If he is acting as an interim manager than he really should address these issues and he should be held accountable.
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oh god...its awesome you guys care, but let the band take care of it how they wish to. Im sure they will do what they think is best...no?
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oh god...its awesome you guys care, but let the band take care of it how they wish to. Im sure they will do what they think is best...no?
No Alli. I think if any of them knew that this stuff was not being taken care of they would ask someone to take care of it. They are savvy enough to know that this stuff needs to be done but they as they should be are busier making music and dealing w/ being a trio.
That is why I asked in my initial post if the band was even aware of this stuff.
They have obviously put their trust in Crescendo to book them but Crescendo is dropping the ball in some areas.
The main thing is that one can put in an offer for the band on the site. If you had only heard some hype about The Breakfast and go to the site to book them you will be under the impression you are getting a quartet.
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I still do whatever I can to help out. I take my time to create flyers and posters but I never know if anyone is even getting them to pass out....
I agree with the updating issues, but who is going to do it. Do those guys at Crescendo really know what’s going on? Who is ultimately responsible for all this? Fan run sites are the only links around that are updated and I think those are the main links to the fans, but the band site and the management site are more for promoters and booking agents and that reflects on the management and there confidence in the band. -
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Fan run sites are the only links around that are updated and I think those are the main links to the fans, but the band site and the management site are more for promoters and booking agents and that reflects on the management and there confidence in the band.
That\'s an interesting point. Fans are in here or on jambase or .net. or myspace. Those sites are updated frequently because Dave Peck and Tim and Spacey handle all of those updates. Somehow Dave and Spacey, who don\'t get paid, manage to update their sites daily, but the promoter who gets half the band\'s gig money hasn\'t updated anything in months. It\'s the other promoters and club managers and other bands that go to the Crescendo site. If their website is any reflection of their attitude towards The Breakfast (which of course it is) then it makes it look like The Breakfast is a band to avoid working with. Hey Crescendo I think I\'ve confirmed that The Breakfast is the only band in America that is 0-for-5 getting into Bonnaroo. Someone come up with one other band that has tried every year and never gotten in. Crescendo et al will be quick to point out their scattered successes, which they still deserve credit for, but if there\'s one word to sum up their work it\'s "underachievment."
So per usual the fans are doing way more than the management to help the band. This isn\'t a news flash. It\'s always been that way. Scroll down the list of the top 30 .info posters and you have a list of people who have done more to help the band than anyone on the payroll ever did. This band owes their existence and the majority of their success to their own hard work and to the fans. They succeed despite the management. -
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great point leith, i\'m also for your points because they are more objective in some ways.
I like to see stuff like this brought to the table, lets not sugar coat things.
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i have always pondered this myself. all of you make valid points and someone should definitely be doing something about this. it is kind of sad in a way that they have never been invited to perform at Bonnaroo. Either way the band bio needs to be updating along with some .info on the new album and the tour to support. I mean the breakfast seem to be working their asses off to try and make it and when their management isn\'t behind them 100% it can be sort of difficult.
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I will take the position of devils advocate:
Perhaps the booking agent has had reason to take things slow/ place the bfast on back burner. I was under the impression that a major reason for Jordan leaving the band was do to the fact that the other members could not get Jordan to commit to gig dates. That his personal schedule ie. work etc etc kept dates up in the air. I for one would find that difficult to work with if I was a BOOKING AGENT.
I am in no way blaming Jordan for any of this he made decisions based on what he thought was best for him and his family ( I can certainly sympathize and understand that). However I think it would be very naive to think that inner "turmoil" of the band ddint have anything to do with the situation they find themselves in at this point.
That doesn\'t explain away what appears to be long list of questionable decisions made by the band just another perspective that doesn\'t seem to be evident in this thread -
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Well the title of the thread is How can WE get .......
So the name listed as Management is Alex Defelice.
The email listed is adefelice@mindspring.com.
Maybe a few nicely written reminders to him via email will help.
Maybe he does not realize that these things need attention.
If the band is going to make it they can not rely on the fanbase to keep up the type of efforts we have over the years.
They really need a strong management team and it needs to start now.
Vic wants us to think expressing our complaints anywhere but here will hurt the band and that is simply not true.
Write a polite email or letter expressing your love for this band and any complaints you may have about how they are percieved due to their publicity on Crescendo\'s site.
Any management that actually cares for the band they manage WILL respond to this type of correspondence.Quote from: kindm\'sI will take the position of devils advocate:
Perhaps the booking agent has had reason to take things slow/ place the bfast on back burner. I was under the impression that a major reason for Jordan leaving the band was do to the fact that the other members could not get Jordan to commit to gig dates. That his personal schedule ie. work etc etc kept dates up in the air. I for one would find that difficult to work with if I was a BOOKING AGENT.
I am in no way blaming Jordan for any of this he made decisions based on what he thought was best for him and his family ( I can certainly sympathize and understand that). However I think it would be very naive to think that inner "turmoil" of the band ddint have anything to do with the situation they find themselves in at this point.
That doesn\'t explain away what appears to be long list of questionable decisions made by the band just another perspective that doesn\'t seem to be evident in this thread
It takes very little time to update a band bio( it can and should have been emailed in to Crescendo awhile ago), put in a new pic (hell they have a 4 box pic that they can just cut Jordan out of!)
Jordan leaving should have in no way been an impediment in getting these basic things done. It has been how long since his last show?
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