Saga of Buquebus Discussion

[OMS]

i know much about music history, i do however know that one of tims biggest influences was trey/phish...so its understandable why he would want to do something similar to their story in that sense...there is no need to start telling me what i do and do not know.  im a music fan in general and if your going to start getting defensive because im saying i dont agree with one thing that the breakfast (one of my top three favorite bands) does...well i dont have much to say but get over it...im just stating my opinion...take it as you may

[leith]

i know much about music history, i do however know that one of tims biggest influences was trey/phish...so its understandable why he would want to do something similar to their story in that sense...there is no need to start telling me what i do and do not know.  im a music fan in general and if your going to start getting defensive because im saying i dont agree with one thing that the breakfast (one of my top three favorite bands) does...well i dont have much to say but get over it...im just stating my opinion...take it as you may

Well when you say things such as "i just think this idea of a saga or more loosely a "rock opera" has been used a little too often as of late" it makes you come across as not versed in Music History.
Seeing as the concept album is something even Frank Sinatra made "of late" seems to be dismissing quite a bit AND giving waaay to much credit to Trey when he also was just following in others fretsteps. Why is it so ridiculous that Tim has a story?

I was just giving you info you did not seem to know or refused to acknowledge.
Besides this is a thread to discuss the Saga not diss it. So you asked for it.

[OMS]

i suppose i "asked for it" but what i guess the difference between you and i is that i see what trey did as extremely original (totally fun and not really taken too serisouly at first) but original nonetheless.  i think the breakfast are an extremely original band but this sage of sorts is too reminicent of one of if not their biggest influence.  i am totally aware that other bands and musicians  have their own stories to tell in albums...to me..after reading the buquebus saga and knowing gamehenge very well, i see it as a strong influence (and again in my opinion too much of an influence) on the breakfasts "saga".  i feel like when trey\'s story was original in the sense that no one really ever did it in that way, with telling a main story, separating the songs when played live, and improvising over them and basically having parts of the stories played out at certain points, watching the breakfast fans talk about the "epic sagas" etc is too reminicent of phish and gamehenge for me, if you dont see that than i guess to each its own, but again, its how i see it

[leith]

Yeah I can see the similarities but I prefer to think of Tim in a larger pantheon of Songwriters than just a Trey wannabe.
So he picked a form that is easy for him to relate to in the Gamehenge story. Why is that bad? Everyone is influenced by their surroundings and being as Phish was huge in his teens and early 20\'s it came easier for him.
Yeah I see that but Come On much like Gamehenge w/o this"Saga" we would not have many ripping songs which is really what it\'s about right?
So why bother dissing something that may produce your favorite Breakfast tune if it already has not?

Oh and Trey was not the first to relate a story the way you say he did. He copied that style also. Really he did. Gamehenge was actually not that original just an easy way for him to write a thesis.

[OMS]

i don\'t mean to "diss" and i most definately do not see tim as a trey wannabee...just the saga for me seemed to close...and i agree...a lot of the great bfast songs come from it...so i dont meant to insult i just thought i would add my 2 cents...thats all for tonight...going to sleep...talk to you another time

[leith]

\'til nxt time. good night OMS

[FrankZappa]

The concept of songs telling a story broken up by speech, sometimes over music in between goes much further back than coletrane or trey. You both make some good points though. That being said, there are a couple thousand \'musicals\' that hollywood pumped out, which were basically films of english \'operas\', which were european versions of Indian Ragas, which were [...]

[FindYourself...]

i love them both, but

episode 1 = lizards

[wildcoyote]

Using music to tell a story?!?!?! Trey invented that!  Indian Ragas are the DEVIL!!!!!

[Giavanna]

The concept of songs telling a story broken up by speech, sometimes over music in between goes much further back than coletrane or trey. You both make some good points though. That being said, there are a couple thousand \'musicals\' that hollywood pumped out, which were basically films of english \'operas\', which were european versions of Indian Ragas, which were [...]

Not to mention Greek \'Operas\' comprised of recitation interspersed between large choral numbers that revolved around stories of mythical gods... Sounds pretty similar to me... and definitely not a lost art form as we\'ve progressed. Everyone has a story inside, it\'s just how you choose to expose it to the public.

[leith]

OK now that we have had our Music History lessons how about we start again?

With the introduction of some narrative @ FFVII (see below) the saga seems to be growing.
Tim is letting more and more out YEA!!  
There are some songs that are def. a part of the Saga and some that seem as if they may be linked somehow.
So I felt a discussion should be started about the songs and how they all fit together.

Narrative introduced @ FFVII

Episode I
Happy

Space City is happy. Buquebus and Gladys Pimp have freed the planet from
King Folix\'s oppression. By putting Black Domino in the Breakfast processor,
they opened everyone\'s mind to think and act for themselves.

The people rapidly overthrow the Royal Extremists and discover the king has
killed himself in fear of upheaval. But Mooboo escapes, maintains her
anonymity, and takes the remaining Royal Extremists to the badlands of
Abrasia.

Meanwhile, Space City celebrates the revival of freedom, art, and love.

Episode II
Mooboo\'s Voodoo

Buquebus and Gladys have settled into their life in Honalee, though his itch
persists. Gladys knows Buquebus must fulfill his destiny and lets him go.

Buquebus travels for two years and stumbles upon Abrasia, oblivious to
Mooboo\'s Grand Scheme for revenge on Space City. With her desirable beauty
and evil mojo, Mooboo sets the trap and seduces Buquebus.

Sadly, the Voodoo consumes his energy and Buquebus becomes Mooboo\'s
slave. His weak spirit cries for help, but solace is found in her lust.

Episode III
Awakening

Buquebus is in constant inner struggle. His glow has been suppressed from
satisfying Mooboo\'s sexual thirst over the past year. His life force alerts him
to break free now or be destroyed.

Buquebus plans his escape. He must slip away unnoticed from Mooboo and the
Royal Extremists, leave Abrasia, and regain his individuality. Mooboo senses
his emancipation and prepares her coup de grace.

Buquebus wakes in the middle of the night to finish the battle between his
soul and the intoxicating Voodoo.

Songs in the Saga
Episodes 1-3
Buquebus
Gladys
Son of Simpleton

Songs that mention parts of the Saga thus are most likely in also
Overexposure(Gladys mention)
Surreal Radio(Space City is mine....)

Songs that may be a part of the Saga due to either lyrics or feeling.
Psygn( May be Buquebus singing the lyrics?)
The Chase(May be Buquebus singing?)
TFA(Is Buquebus the one wondering if he\'s on the otherside?)
SCA(Interlude of some type?)


So any other songs anyone can think of?
Am I off on any of the ones I mentioned?
Anyone know an order for the songs?

[Gfunk]

i love them both, but

episode 1 = lizards

episode 1 owns lizards imho

[leith]

i love them both, but

episode 1 = lizards

episode 1 owns lizards imho

ENOUGH!
If you want to compare stories and songs start another thread please.

This thread is to discuss the songs in the Saga and how they fit together.
Thank You.

[Gfunk]

sor-RY
i love how well beqeubus\'s internal sruggle is portrayed by the music in epi 3. so much emotion in tim\'s playing.
does anyone know if there are any episodes on the way or does it end at episode 3?

[Spacey]

Call me crazy but I thought I heard someone mention the TGSOT was tied into this whole saga.