Red Hot Chili Peppers - Stadium Arcadium/Tour news...

[Whathefunk]

nah i know man, i\'m just busting your balls.

but if you read my posts you\'ll see that i admit to pirating plenty of music and that the reasons i think people shouldn\'t download is
A) because of sound quality and
B) because it is coming out in literally 4 days, and most of the people who said they d/l it said they were gonna buy it anyways.

if you don\'t plan on buying it or are previewing b/c your not sure if you want it or not, thats your own morality judgement.  i ain\'t gonna judge people for downloading illegally ya know.
but as long as we\'re taking it there, personally i feel an obligation to the band as a long time fan to buy and hear their music when and how they want me to.  I mean lets just say that the bfast blow up (which i know all of us want) and they are millionaires, and they put out their 6th,7th,8th album, i bet most of these peeps would still pay for it....but hey maybe i\'m wrong

[davepeck]

before i argue a couple points, i just want to make sure it\'s clear that this is nothing more/nothing less than a good argument.. just don\'t want anyone to take anything personally here..

now, to your points, mike:

a) completely agree that the rips are of inferior quality to the actual cd. but by that token, then i shouldn\'t put this cd (or any other, for that matter) on my ipod.. what i\'m saying is, i\'m going to be listening to mp3 versions of this cd even AFTER it comes out, so this sound quality thing isn\'t really an issue here. if anything, it\'ll just make it more refreshing when i do get to pop the actual cd in. i\'m going to come back to this point later..

b) i\'m not going to have the cd on release day. i wanted the deluxe edition, so i ordered it from amazon, which was the cheapest i could find it at $45 (yes, i\'m actually electing to pay 3x more for this album than most people are). anyways, my amazon account says: Delivery estimate: May 16, 2006 - May 18, 2006. so while it does \'come out\' in 4 days, i\'m not gonna have it in my hands then.. so if i\'d waited until tuesday to download it, would that be ok in this regard?

so flea is frustrated that the album leaked, and is upset that people aren\'t hearing the album the way it was meant to be heard, which is a point you argued as well. while i\'d like to sympathize here (i mean, RHCP are my favorite band), i instead have to call a time out wait just a second! um... this is a band who recently made their entire catalog available on itunes, along with a pre-order for stadium arcadium on there as well!! i\'m sorry, but that right there completely negates anything the band has to say about hearing this the way it was meant to be heard! it actually makes the whole damn thing flea wrote quite laughable..

look, i think everyone should buy this album, and i also think if you download something and like it, you should purchase it. but as far as me, personally downloading something before i have the real thing (whether it\'s before the real thing comes out or not), i just don\'t see anything wrong with it, because of the points mentioned above..

oh by the way (no pun intended), vh1 is streaming the entire album, which is apparently legal, and yet probably not the way the band intended the album to be heard either.. :idunno:

[Todd]

Amen!!!!!

[Whathefunk]

well put dave....i was waiting for your input, you always seem to say the right thing.  
but just to keep playing devil\'s advocate, i think that probably the main reason why the peppers put their whole catalogue on itunes (like most musicians) is only to fight illegal music pirating in the first place.  give the people a way to get mp3 files of their music while still paying for it.

also, deciding to get the deluxe edition was your choice, and a commendable one i guess (still not really sure what is so great about it...a sack of marbles and some liner notes?) but if you really wanted the deluxe edition then you have to take into account that your paying more and waiting longer for a more extensive package.

but basically i think the whole music pirating is an iffy subject.  not everyone can afford to buy every album they hear or download, and i wholeheartedly agree with wah when he said, "whats important is the music" and i happen to think that everyone should be able to hear as much music as they possibly can.  if people were interested in my own music i would let anyone have it for free, and i think its the same for most aspiring musicians (thus sites like archive.org, etc) but once you realize that people will pay for your music its hard to get back to that place, especially when your making a living out of it.  and also, i don\'t think i would make such a fuss about many other albums, seeing as rhcp is as well my favorite band and i\'ve been waiting for this album since hearing the closing seconds of venice queen almost four years ago.  
so i think this might be somewhat of a personal thing seeing as anyone could probably make all the same points that i have just subsituting their favorite band in for all the times i said "rhcp".  and i would probably be on the other side of this little squable if it weren\'t a band i felt strongly for.   all in all, i don\'t think anyone is a bad person for deciding to download this album a week in advance, i just wanted to show people another view that they might not consider when having it shoved in their face for free.  do what you got to do guys and gals....you\'ve heard the arguments.



as for me, the countdown continues..... 3 days baby!!!!

[FrankZappa]

yea, dave is the king of getting multiple versions of stuff. Ask him how many different versions of videos (be it vhs, lazer disc, soundtracks, dvds, or box sets) he has that say "star wars" somewhere on them. This was a good debate. :thumbsup:

[Whathefunk]

This was a good debate. :thumbsup:

ya this was pretty fun....now its time for sleep.  goodnight!

[wildcoyote]

Okay, now that the dust has settled on that one...........

I got my tix for Jersey.  18th row.  Cool I guess...
Indoors, arena, on a Tuesday night and not \'til October.
I promised myself no more arena shows... oh well.

Not taking the wife.  How am I gonna explain that?  She\'s not really a fan, and buddy of mine got the tix, but I think I\'m in deep shit here folks!  I just can\'t sit through this show hearing "When are they gonna play Under the Bridge?" every ten minutes.  Man, I\'m in deep shit.

Personal favs on the new album so far:
Especially in Michigan,  Strip My Mind, Slow Cheetah
I only have one disc though, that all changes tomorrow!

[davepeck]

Okay, now that the dust has settled on that one...........

I got my tix for Jersey.  18th row.  Cool I guess...
Indoors, arena, on a Tuesday night and not \'til October.
I promised myself no more arena shows... oh well.

Not taking the wife.  How am I gonna explain that?  She\'s not really a fan, and buddy of mine got the tix, but I think I\'m in deep shit here folks!  I just can\'t sit through this show hearing "When are they gonna play Under the Bridge?" every ten minutes.  Man, I\'m in deep shit.

not sure what to tell you about the wife... what night jersey? we\'ve got a pair on the floor both nights, but in the second section (6).. also got a pair 3rd row in 110 night 2 (those are fantastic seats), and 9th row in 109 night 1.



since the presale tix were so good, i went for 2 pairs each night except boston (the fan club tix weren\'t all that great).. as of right now, there\'s a 4th ticket for (almost) every night, so if you\'re interested in doing another show, let me know..

Personal favs on the new album so far:
Especially in Michigan,  Strip My Mind, Slow Cheetah
I only have one disc though, that all changes tomorrow!

the better of the 2 discs awaits you!

my top 5 right now:

1. Readymade
2. Turn It Again
3. Tell Me Baby
4. Charlie
5. Storm In A Teacup

Desecration Smile, Torture Me, and So Much I are right behind that list..

[wildcoyote]

the better of the 2 discs awaits you!

REALLY!?!?! I\'m gonna be outside Merle\'s in Orange tomorrow like an asshole waiting for Mike to open the store.  

Charlie huh?  Maybe I\'ll give it another listen.

[davepeck]

Charlie huh?  Maybe I\'ll give it another listen.

honestly, the first time i heard it, i was turned off.. mostly by the chorus.. now i love it, and think the chorus is fantastic, as is the \'my heart, your skin, this love, i\'m in...\' section.. :thumbsup:

[Whathefunk]

wait i don\'t get it, doesn\'t presale begin tomorow? as in today, tuesday?  i\'m confused.   i\'m on ticket master right now and it says presale begins 5/9 at 10am?  someone fill me in please.

are you guys like part of the rhcp fansite or something so you get tix in advance? anyway i\'m gonna wake up at ten and hope to get some tix for beantown.

[davepeck]

fan club presale ran saturday through monday. i guess the "itunes presale" starts today, for people who preordered the album on itunes..

[FrankZappa]

I got my tickets 3 months ago during the \'super secret presale inside\' sale, which only people born under the sign of the goat with a middle name starting with \'J\' and a last name ending with \'N\' were privy to.

Top songs:
1. Animal Bar rotfl
2. Turn it again :drool:
3. Ready Made
4. Storm in a teacup
5. charlie (i like the bass line)
6. Dani California
there were some more but I can\'t think of the names off hand.

[Whathefunk]

fan club presale ran saturday through monday. i guess the "itunes presale" starts today, for people who preordered the album on itunes..

whack...looks like i\'m not getting tickets yet, or maybe at all.  



at least i can finally hear the muthafuckin album.


back to bed.

[weekapaug19]

decided to pass on this.......after charges, $80 a ticket?  that\'s just insane, last time i saw them it was like 30 bucks