January shows???

[Klout]

Just so ya don\'t all go wigging out.....

There are 25 or so dates on hold routing a tour almost to the coast.  When its done it should go all the way.  Thats all I can say till its done.

Don\'t get your panties in a wad....

Great! But I\'ll believe it when I see it.

[Steffmo]

Since they aren\'t doing much on Thursday nights, maybe you can convince them to revisit Oneonta?[/QUOTE]

Syracuse on 28.   Maybe something else that week.

[Klout]

There is nothing I can say to convince them zurflu.

I have tried believe me.

They refuse to play oneonta.

The pub and the largest, most dedicated group of breakfast in New York is simply beneath them at this advanced stage of thier careers. :rolleyes:

[Jim Cobb]

why do they refuse to play oneonta?

[Klout]

The pub and the largest, most dedicated group of breakfast in New York is simply beneath them at this advanced stage of thier careers.

THey figure the oneonta fans are all dedicated enough that we will travel to utica, albany, cuse to see them but fans from those areas are not hardcore enough to will not travel to oneonta for shows.

Which is true but its still rude to the fans in this town to make them travel everytime they want to see the band in exchange for thier support and dedication to the band.

If it were not for oneonta the breakfast would have about 20 less hardcore fans and about 50 less avid fans than they do and one less light guy than they do now.  Plus there is a fresh crop of hippy college kids here every semester just waiting to be turned on. ANd they still dont even care about snubbing us for no good reason.

Also the pub is a small venue but they have never sold the place out so thinking they are too good for a venue that size is just being arrogant.

[Jim Cobb]

hmmm... i see.  well Urban Fetch will be at the pub sometime soon.  i\'m working on THAT as we speak.

[leith]

lol OK so you are saying that w/o oneonta\'s support The Breakfast would be where?

if it is 20 hardcores(fine TRAVEL) 50 less avid fans? OK so that is 70 people,IF ALL of them make the show.

I have no idea how big the Pub is but I figure it is the better move to schedule shows in Bigger cities rather than play a small venue which has not sold out yet even though there is supposedly so much Bfast love there. hmmmm

I can see your discontent Klout. College crowds are a huge base for The Bfast but selling out a small venue in what seems to be BFE I would think is low priority as well it should be.

As for them not having a light guy w/o Oneonta. LOL

[Klout]

lol OK so you are saying that w/o oneonta\'s support The Breakfast would be where?

if it is 20 hardcores(fine TRAVEL) 50 less avid fans? OK so that is 70 people,IF ALL of them make the show.

I have no idea how big the Pub is but I figure it is the better move to schedule shows in Bigger cities rather than play a small venue which has not sold out yet even though there is supposedly so much Bfast love there. hmmmm

I can see your discontent Klout. College crowds are a huge base for The Bfast but selling out a small venue in what seems to be BFE I would think is low priority as well it should be.

As for them not having a light guy w/o Oneonta. LOL

LOL all you want but if they never played this town they would almost certainly not have ellis as a light guy. maybe they would have someone else but they didn\'t seem to be having much luck at finding one till they came here and ellis did lights for them at the pub.

If hooking up dedicated fans is low on thier priority list I can see why they are still a struggling bar band after 7 years.

YOu can also scoff at 70 fans attending thier show and being really into the music all you want but that is more locals than they will get that actually give two shits about the music than any other city in new york. Hands down.

With out the support of oneonta crew, the rev hall show and many other shows around upstate NY in the past years would have been total and complete flops. I have been at shows in NY where there were the local crowd consited of 15 rednecks sitting at the bar getting wasted and the oneonta crowd consited of 30 kids throwing down in front of the stage.

I am not saying that the otwizz fans are going to make or break thier careers obviously. But we dont deserved to get dissed by them like we are now.

It\'s just a jerk move and bad buisness on thier part. No two ways about it.

[leith]

lol OK so you are saying that w/o oneonta\'s support The Breakfast would be where?

if it is 20 hardcores(fine TRAVEL) 50 less avid fans? OK so that is 70 people,IF ALL of them make the show.

I have no idea how big the Pub is but I figure it is the better move to schedule shows in Bigger cities rather than play a small venue which has not sold out yet even though there is supposedly so much Bfast love there. hmmmm

I can see your discontent Klout. College crowds are a huge base for The Bfast but selling out a small venue in what seems to be BFE I would think is low priority as well it should be.

As for them not having a light guy w/o Oneonta. LOL

LOL all you want but if they never played this town they would almost certainly not have ellis as a light guy. maybe they would have someone else but they didn\'t seem to be having much luck at finding one till they came here and ellis did lights for them at the pub.

If hooking up dedicated fans is low on thier priority list I can see why they are still a bar band after 7 years.

YOu can also scoff at 70 fans attending thier show and being really into the music all you want but that is more locals than they will get that actually give two shits about the music than any other city in new york.

With out the support of oneonta crew, the rev hall show and many other shows around upstate NY in the past years would have been total and complete flops. I am not saying that the otwizz fans are going to make or break thier careers obviously. But we dont deserved to get dissed by them like we are now.

All fairly valid points but I do believe you put much too much empahsis on Oneonta\'s influence AND the perception of being dissed.
There are larger contigents of fans throughout the Nation that can claim just as much influence......
Greg was in the right place @ the right time. That is all.

[Klout]

Well I just think its a dick move.

I could understand never wanting to play here again if the town had never given them a successful show, or one new fan, or one raging after hours party, or none of what it has but it has given them all those things many times.

They are just stuck up about it and in denial of the fact that they are still a bar band.

[leith]

Well you are fully entitled to your opinion.
Glad you have a place to voice it.

[FreeSpirit]

OK, so if Johnny Upstate is their light guy, does that make Dobson their heavy guy :?:

[Spacey]

It might come down to money Klout. Maybe they just can\'t play there because the money isn\'t right. The band is walking a thin line and perhaps the venues in your town can\'t to afford them for the gigs. If this is untrue, which it very well might be, then I am all out of ideas on the subject and will go back into my hole.

[Klout]

yea thats maybe even what they would say it is but throwing an oneonta show into these syracuse, utica, beardslee runs once in a while would not sink thier ship or anything. Worse comes to worse they make a lot of dedicated fans happy and a few hundred dollars profit.

[Spacey]

that\'d make for a nice little 4-show run.