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« on: September 23, 2009, 11:03:07 pm »
Link to download show  http://www.megaupload.com/?f=P50XIZZL

I: jam* > Gravity > The Sound, Drunk Monk Bar, Sleeping Beauty, Reel Time

II: jam > May Fly Disarray, Rush, Spunk

*with \'Whipping Post\' (Allman Brothers Band) teases.


Thanks to simpletwistupdon for the setlist!

Missing first 6 minutes of first set. Sorry.
Recorded with SE Electronic SE3 mikes into a Tascam HDP2. First set was recorded from side of room. Second set I clamped under lights dead center.
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« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2009, 11:10:18 pm »
:thumbsup: THANKS!
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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2009, 06:16:59 am »
Thank you skiprince!!!!

Bummed I missed this one and now I can live it in all its glory!
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« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2009, 12:06:22 am »
Thanks for taping this, sounds great!  Any chance of getting the .flac on archive.org?
I\'ve already listened to this mayfly half a dozen times, can\'t get enough of it.  Some great stuff around 15 & 23.  What a rush Rush was!
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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2009, 07:37:49 am »
I\'ve been bumping this show this morning and it is great.

A question for any and all out there: in order to upload to the archive, one needs the lossless files, not just mp3s. Unfortunately, that is all that is available for this show. Not that I am complaining at all. I so appreciate any and every source that we have. I just want to save this one(and others) for everyone to enjoy.

I suppose that some conversions can be done, like mp3 > wav > flac, but would everyone frown on this? The lineage would be given so one could see where this came from and they could decide for themselves. Just like to get this up on the LMA. And the Iron Horse from january, and the shindig in NH, etc.

Would this be a waste of time?
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« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2009, 10:21:03 am »
^^
I wouldn\'t frown on it. Not every recording can have crystal clear origins. Would be good to have them on archive anyway. I agree :)

Looking forward to giving this a listen!
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« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2009, 10:27:48 am »
Quote from: frolfer;244818
mp3 > wav > flac
Would this be a waste of time?


While the gesture is a noble one, this lineage is inappropriate for the archive.  This show was recorded onto a Tascam HDP2.  I have a hard time believing that a full res copy does not exist.  MP3 to FLAC conversion should never take place as it corrupts the gene pool so to speak.  Has anyone contacted the taper?
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« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2009, 10:51:56 am »
I am sure that you can upload mp3 audio to archive.  It would be best if the original wave/flac files could be obtained before uploading mp3 \'s to archive, but if it can\'t be found mp3 is better than nothing. The important thing is to document everything in the notes as to what it is.
also, many of the new handheld recorders record directly to mp3 format. so in this case there is no lossless copy available.
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« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2009, 10:59:00 am »
I know what your saying matt, my point is that the hd p2 is a high end 24 bit recorder.  I really can\'t grasp why someone would record direct to mp3 on it.  That is a seriously nice box, and anyone who owns it knows what they are doing.  There has to be a full res copy out there.  



I just looked it up.  this box does not record to MP3.  



Type
    2-Channel Digital Field Recorder

Recording/Reading Methods
    Compact Flash/Microdrive

Recording Bit Rate
    16-bit, 24-bit

Sampling Frequency
    44.1/48/88.2/96/176.4/192kHz

Number of Channels
    2

Frequency Response
    Nominal Level:
    20 Hz - 20 kHz, +/-1 dB (44.1/48kHz)
    Mic to Line Out:
    20 Hz - 40 kHz, 0.5dB/-4 dB (88.2/96kHz)
    20 Hz - 80 kHz, 0.5dB/-20dB (176.4/192kHz)

Signal-to-Noise Ratio
    Not Specified by Manufacturer

Dynamic Range
    Not Specified by Manufacturer

Total Harmonic Distortion (THD)
    0.01% (max. level @ 1Khz)

Inputs
    1 x 3-pin XLR Female Mic/Line In
    2 x RCA Phono Line In
    1 x Coaxial SPDIF Digital In
    1 x 3-pin XLR Time Code In
    1 x BNC Word Clock/Video Ref In
    1 x PS/2 Keyboard In

Output
    2 x RCA Phono Line Out
    1 x Coaxial SPDIF Digital Out
    1 x 6-pin IEEE.1394 Firewire Port
    1 x 1/4" Stereo Headphone Out

Headphone Output
    Yes, 1/4" Stereo Phone

Dimensions (WxDxH)
    9.6 x 7.4 x 2.4" (245 x 188 x 60)

Weight
    2.6 lb (1.2 kg)

Specialties
    Compact Flash/Microdrive Storage
    High Resolution 24-bit/192kHz Recording
    Timecode and Word Clock/Video Inputs
    Firewire Port
    8 x "AA" Alkaline or Rechargeable Battery Operation
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« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2009, 12:36:41 pm »
true, this unit does not record directly to mp3s and a lossless copy probably exists, but many recorders record to mp3, just want to point that out.  so what should we do?   I say upload the lossy copy and if the lossless copy surfaces, it can be uploaded later.

The reality is very few people are archiving flacs. since they are large files compared to mp3, they are not compatible most mp3 player, most people are not bothered by the difference between mp3 and flac and its a hassle to convert the flacs to mp3. I also think that if we become flac Nazi, it scare novices away from taping because they don\'t want to be criticized for not doing something wrong.  Its hard enough to get shows taped and uploaded these days .  I\'m sure we would take a mp3 copy of the Albany show right now from a cheap mp3 recorder vs nothing, which is what we have.
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« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2009, 12:46:58 pm »
Your right, I concede.  I just hate the idea of taking this beautiful tech and still adding unnecessary generations to our recordings.  Lossless is lossless and we could preserve these recordings for ever theoretically, but converting mp3 to wav ruins that.  do that a half dozen times and your left with recordings that sound like your 12th gen dead analogs!

I have no problem with archiving mp3\'s it\'s the conversion to flac that rubs me the wrong way.
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« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2009, 07:50:07 pm »
I gave my camera files to ChrisF.
If that\'s any better I don\'t Know.
I have the show on DVD, sounds O.K. to me.
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« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2009, 09:49:41 pm »
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I will have my Zoom H4N.
We will have to sneak it in.
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« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2009, 10:31:55 pm »
I\'ll be at The Field, doubt I\'ll make the IH & HG.
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« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2009, 06:11:05 am »
Thanks for the responses folks. I just thought that the LMA had to have lossless files in order to upload and I\'m glad that I\'m wrong. I guess I\'ll up the mp3s until something better comes along. At least the masses will be able to hear it.
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