u should come this year igzy! i see it as more of a camping trip with some good music as a backdrop. i always have so much fun at indian lookout, its so beautiful, and nothing beats being outside for 3 days imho.
Dillusional 
Camping is being out in the middle of nowhere...or at the very least somewhat seculded. Small group, campfires, hiking, taking in the surroundings.
Camp Bisco is a clusterfuck of spunions and degenerates...some of which are my good friends 
Don\'t get me wrong, I have LOVED every Camp i\'ve been to, but I am not exactly taking in the beuty. Maybe it\'s a "can\'t see the forrest for the trees" thing, but the natural surroundings are lost on me. That being said, there is nothing wrong with 3 days of being outside, booze, friends, and music in a more relaxing atmosphere than any club/venue can offer.
It\'s unfortunate that you can\'t see just how pretty upstate new york is. the wildflowers, the open skies and rolling hills, its simply gorgeous. I think it provides a fantastic atmosphere for a festival.....
I\'ve spent 23 of the 26 years of my life as a dancer.... and to be outside, with my friends, dancing around under the stars to really sick DJ\'s/music, its just awesome. i love dancing with strangers, i love people watching and admiring the talents of others, i love making friends for the night or weekend that are just plain fun to be around. so maybe they are fucked up degenerates or whatever.... doesn\'t make those experiences less fun for anyone....
not to say that there aren\'t shady characters all over camp bisco. but i think its a little hypocritical to call out all the fucked up people at camp bisco, and then spend your summer touring with phish.... you really think the people around you at a phish show are less under the influence of a myriad of substances than at camp bisco? sounds like you\'re the delusional one....
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I like upstate NY just as much as the next guy and I can recognize natural beauty, even in a sea of concert-goers...SPAC is my favorite outdoor venue and the surrounding area is absolutely gorgeous. ILCC, while being isolated, spacious, and ideal for the Camp Bisco crowd, is nothing THAT amazing. It\'s a few open fields surrounded by trees.
As far as the camp crowd and the "scene" in general...i think its pretty obviously i\'m not that bothered by it. I have met some great people and had some interesting conversations with complete strangers. I have been able to tell some amazing stories because of what I\'ve seen and who i\'ve interacted at and I wouldn\'t trade it for anything. Did you read my post? Degenerates and spunions is most certainly a broad generalization, but from the outside looking in I can probably be put into that catagory. When you go to a festival like Camp Bisco or are going to see a band like the Disco Biscuits, I think a majority of us "get down" in a similar fashion. That being said, I think you know the certain element of the Bisco crowd I am talking about and it would be naive to dismiss or deny those people exist. When you are at a show you do not have to go looking for it, they usually make themselves known, but you know what...it\'s a younger crowd. When you put booze, drugs, and that kinda music together and let loose for a late night or a weekend it is to be expected.
I think the difference at a Phish show is not the substances that are present, its the age of fans. I would say there is a HUGE difference between the way late teens/early 20\'s act vs. the mid/late 20\'s or early 30\'s behave. On the whole it is a much more mellow and mature crowd. In a phish crowd there is obviously those that more "extreme" than others, but proportionally less than a DB crowd. Of course there are certain things with phish phans you don\'t see with Biscuits fans that are sketchy too...specifically young children with limited supervision on lot or malnourished dogs or stuff like that.
This is getting long...my point is I like love going to see band like Phish and the Disco Biscuits, and that includes everything that comes with it. I have been doing it for over 10 years and will probably continue to do so for years to come (although probably on a more limited basis). I have met so many people from the many shows and afterparties over the years that most of my time is spent with them at shows, so at this point I probably don\'t go out of my way as much to meet as many new people these days. However, I will still call it like it is...and yes the Disco Biscuits scene contains lots of spunions and degenerates
