The LOST Season 5 Thread

[zuke583]

so does the island still randomly jump through time still even tho john fixed that big wheel that was skipping a couple episodes ago? (by wheel, I mean that thing that ben turned to make the island move)

i believe its proper name is the "frozen donkey wheel." i\'m pretty sure when he fixed it, the time skipping stopped

[NickNels]

so does the island still randomly jump through time still even tho john fixed that big wheel that was skipping a couple episodes ago? (by wheel, I mean that thing that ben turned to make the island move)

i believe its proper name is the "frozen donkey wheel." i\'m pretty sure when he fixed it, the time skipping stopped

if the time skipping stopped, then what\'s the deal with the flash of white light that brought jack, kate, and the gang back to the island?

[weekapaug19]

so does the island still randomly jump through time still even tho john fixed that big wheel that was skipping a couple episodes ago? (by wheel, I mean that thing that ben turned to make the island move)

i believe its proper name is the "frozen donkey wheel." i\'m pretty sure when he fixed it, the time skipping stopped

if the time skipping stopped, then what\'s the deal with the flash of white light that brought jack, kate, and the gang back to the island?

and if they are all in different time periods when they went back to the island, do they have to alter that wheel to try and get into the same time period

[zuke583]

so does the island still randomly jump through time still even tho john fixed that big wheel that was skipping a couple episodes ago? (by wheel, I mean that thing that ben turned to make the island move)

i believe its proper name is the "frozen donkey wheel." i\'m pretty sure when he fixed it, the time skipping stopped

if the time skipping stopped, then what\'s the deal with the flash of white light that brought jack, kate, and the gang back to the island?

i was giving this some thought. the time skipping (due to the broken wheel) seemed erratic and random.  the event that caused jack et al to return seemed like it was right on schedule, according to ms hawking.

[NickNels]

so does the island still randomly jump through time still even tho john fixed that big wheel that was skipping a couple episodes ago? (by wheel, I mean that thing that ben turned to make the island move)

i believe its proper name is the "frozen donkey wheel." i\'m pretty sure when he fixed it, the time skipping stopped

if the time skipping stopped, then what\'s the deal with the flash of white light that brought jack, kate, and the gang back to the island?

i was giving this some thought. the time skipping (due to the broken wheel) seemed erratic and random.  the event that caused jack et al to return seemed like it was right on schedule, according to ms hawking.

To me it seems like the white flashes are associated with time and not so much location...that being said the island has moved several different places throughout time, so i\'m not sure about that one.  I just assumed that the island was making location jumps with consistency, it was the time jumps that were erradic.  In other words time skips are happening exlusively on the island, but are not affecting the pattern of where the island moves in relation to the world outside.  The island continues to move based on where it would be in \'present time\' outside the island.

Also I thought Ms Hawking said the flight that brought them back to island was their best chance, but not a sure thing.

[FrankZappa]

In other words time skips are happening exlusively on the island, but are not affecting the pattern of where the island moves in relation to the world outside.  The island continues to move based on where it would be in \'present time\' outside the island.

THat\'s how I understood it also.

[peaches626]

Ben is good. whitmore is good. jack is evil.

kidding aside though, first off, no big surprise, but if you freeze frame the license plate of the truck that picked up john in the dessert, it was the numbers. after that, I had a strong feeling that ben was going to kill john. he wanted him alive just long enough to get the information he needed. he said for the first time ever "I don\'t know what we\'re going to do next." which was total bullshit and that told me he was only acting innocent to get information. I think he was really shocked at jin being alive and john knowing hawkings name. I think ben was planning to kill john and when he said he liked him leaving the room it was sincere. That said, I don\'t think ben planned to kill him right then. I think it was a fit of rage because ben learned that whitmore knows more than he thought he knew. Hawkings is bens team and suppose to be super secret, and if john knows the name, maybe he learned it from whitmore, which made ben loose it.

Regarding hawking and \'bens team\':
It seems to me that Charles Widmore was quite willing to send his daughter with desmond to see ms. hawking.  If hawking was on "bens team", as you put it, why the hell would widmore send her to the guy that promised to kill her...?
I don\'t quite have a full grasp on Hawking yet, but I don\'t know if she\'s on a team.


Ultimately I think ben is jealous of john and that\'s the driving force of their relationship. Same with whitmore. Both ben and whitmore were in charge of the island at one point and they got screwed out of it and want the power back. John is the new golden boy being groomed for upper management and they both hate him for it.

Also, john and the plane people landed on the beach where there are 2 longboats, which means whichever time period that flash was in they are in. I don\'t think they stayed long enough to establish that but I think it\'s mid 80\'s french time at the earliest, more likely it\'s today, which is less than a year after the crash (john spent over 100 days on island, + 4 days passed since left, = mininum of 105 days/  4 months+ of summer 04\' approx). I think they are right there.

I don\'t follow...? But i think when sawyer/ juliet and the left behinds found the boats they were in the future...? Which would be the present day. Which might be what you meant...

However, jack, jin, hurley and kate are in the 70\'s given that jin was driving a brand new vw micro and had a uniform on. I think after john left the island they jumped 1 more time to the 70\'s and have been there ever since. part of the flight members being in 04\' and part being in 70s\' is the "unexpected results" that could happen if they didn\'t get everyone back on the plane.

This could be true

one more, when john left the island his leg was broken again so he needs the island or he will return to whatever state he was in before he got there if he leaves. hence, since he\'s dead, if he leaves the island ever again, he will instantly be killed.

I think your confused here....
when he landed in Tunisia his leg was broken because he had fallen down the well and his bone shattered and came through his skin... he *was not* paralyzed as he was the first time he boarded a plane for the island.  Hence, if he ever leaves the island again, he will show up in tunisia in the state he was in on the island
wow, I wrote a lot. sorry.

we do think about this stuff too much

[FrankZappa]

on john leaving the island - numerous times faraday has said that time will correct itself, so if you\'re dead from a car crash in the future and then you go back there you have to be dead again. might not be from a car crash the second time, but something will kill you so that everything can go on as it\'s suppose to. Hence, john couldn\'t walk because he was paralized. when he tried to leave, the island caused things to go back the way he was (i.e. in a wheel chair). this time it was for falling down a hole but the end result is the same, john is back in a wheel chair. hence time corrected itself.

They do a lot of stuff with the concept of there being no free will in this show, of which this is a perfect example.

[davepeck]

ehh.. you\'re off here, paul. paralysis != broken leg. like not even close. by that logic, john could stay alive off the island, as long as he lived in a coffin.

[FrankZappa]

maybe I\'m off, and I don\'t have the episodes to quote exactly what was said, but that\'s how I took the numerous points that faraday (and maybe someone else) was making to explain time. :shrug:

[peaches626]

i respectfully disagree, ryan.

[Jim Cobb]

my beliefs given what we know so far:

ben truly is deeply invested in keeping the island safe.  often times when it seems like ben is evil or has his own secret agenda, i can\'t but wonder if his secret agenda is indeed in the interest of the greater good.  i mean he was able to communicate directly with jacob, who clearly represents God, Great Spirit, All That Is, or whatever you choose to call it.  If Jacob represents God here, than why would he knowingly bring an evil person to his island to steal the job of "leader" and fuck everything up?  I believe the same about Whidmore.  I really think all he does is first and foremost in what he believes to be the best interest of the island.  And he truly believes that Ben is evil and that he is the good guy.  On the flip side it seems Ben truly believes that Whidmore is evil and that HE is the good guy....  There\'s got to be a reason for it.  It also is entirely possible that Jacob intentionally turned Linus and Whidmore on each other....

More will be revealed.

[inthewhitelodge]

the others. he\'s talking about the others. rotfl

"wshshshswshhpstpphhhsh"---- sounds of the others

[FrankZappa]

arrived in 1974, +3, boy born in 1977... was thinking ben but that would be too young plus he wasn\'t a dharma kid. any ideas?


edit, WOW, I\'m going to be really dorky here, but awesome job on the shooting of the last shot. As everyone gets out of the bus it\'s overcast. As soon as sawyer sees kate though the sun comes out and the lighting changes. very subtle since it was all shot as close ups and medium shots, but wow, great production work on that. definitely a slower moving episode and the love stuff was a little annoying. was waiting for kate to show up most of the episode. answered a lot, good episode overall but not as good as some of the other ones this season. Sawyer talking to richard was the best part imo.

[Vassillios]

i\'ll dish out my 1000th post here. lost just became exciting again.

two week break sucks but you know from then on out every episode is gonna be a ball gripper.