Psygn Jam

[Spunk]

Trey is All Dorian and Mixolydian

i mean he also uses Lydian (Reba) and
Ionion (Hood) (Major scale)
and aeolian (stash) (Minor scale)
and he throws in some diminished scales too

but for the most part its dorian and mixolydian
on one Phish CD (that late 80\'s Burlington show in the park) I heard Trey play a wholetone scale, but I think its the only time ive ever heard that

I dont know if im spelling this right


Actually its Phrygian Dominant (also known as spanish major)

I know the best patterns on the guitar for modes, 3 notes per string

as long as you know each scale, Major, minor, harmonic minor, melodic minor, then you pretty much know each mode, and on the guitar its a continuous pattern for each mode

Its all in context with the song

for instance if you are playing in C............ and you play G mixolydian over that, you\'re actually just playhing C major,

or if you are playing a progression like  Bb-> C, naturally you could be playing C mixolydian, or Bb Lydian, but in reality your playing F Major over that

im also a huge fan of dorian. one of my first grooves on the piano was in dorian and it\'s still requested for jams with my buddies. a teacher told me once that Santana lives on dorian

Hey Gordo were all the jams in Dminor? (or like I-IV in D minor) cause then its all the white keys

[Gordo]

nope. C dorian, actually. C major > > flat the 3rd and 7th. its very simple, i just ride C, Eb, G, and C, F, A chords with variations.

all white keys are the base of modes, and Dorian begins on d, as you know. this was by chance, i was playing C minor and had a melody in mind that augmented the 6th. didnt know what it meant (technically) until i asked my teacher, and then got the rundown.

today i play guitar b/c so many solos and runs i took were just interpratations of guitar rips i had in my head. personally i think it\'s so much easier to hit nice runs on the keys than guitar. im still learning though, and hope to curb this thought.

then i got into The Breakfast and lost all hope in general, basically.

i still love making music.

[Jim Cobb]

you say potato, i say potahto; you say phrygian dominant, i say dominant phrygian.

its interesting to see how some people think of modes in terms of sharps and flats, and some people think of what major, minor, harmonic minor, or melodic minor the mode is the same as.  i\'ve found that keyboardists think of the former, and guitarists the latter.  

speaking of wholetone scales, gravity took my face and stomped on it last friday.

edit:  after i go see the breakfast i do one of two things:
a) look at my guitar and cry.
b) practice.

[Wolfman]

I didn\'t bother to read the whole thread, but the answer is Frygian.

[Spunk]

nope. C dorian, actually. C major > > flat the 3rd and 7th. its very simple, i just ride C, Eb, G, and C, F, A chords with variations.

I was just wondering because D dorian would be the easiest on the Piano,  I would explain Dorian as a minor scale with a #6

[Gordo]

nope. C dorian, actually. C major > > flat the 3rd and 7th. its very simple, i just ride C, Eb, G, and C, F, A chords with variations.

I was just wondering because D dorian would be the easiest on the Piano,  I would explain Dorian as a minor scale with a #6

me too, actually. not sure why i explained it like that. the thing i love about dorian is the way it pulls you from a minor feeling into a major. it\'s deep, makes me feel like something great is about to happen.

also, the more i think about how i said its easier to run solos on piano, the more i realize that its just my lack of experience. a major advantage with guitar is that once youre in the right key your finger positioning is exactly the same. with piano the black keys make certain scales more uncomfortable and difficult to run on.

[Jim Cobb]

hooray for fretted instruments.

[Gordo]

Hooray Beer!