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Breakfast Babble => Tunage => Topic started by: Drew_Kingsley on March 23, 2005, 11:45:32 pm

Title: The \'Queen Moment\' in Dimension 5
Post by: Drew_Kingsley on March 23, 2005, 11:45:32 pm
Paul (or anybody else who knows):

What is the approximate time of the "Queen Moment" that you and Jim Palms spoke of so affectionately at the WVOF radio show?  I\'ve been listening, but I don\'t hear anything that akin to the guitar of Mr. Brian May.  Help a brotha out.
Title: Dimension 5
Post by: FrankZappa on March 24, 2005, 08:17:23 am
Quote from: Drew_Kingsley
Paul (or anybody else who knows):

What is the approximate time of the "Queen Moment" that you and Jim Palms spoke of so affectionately at the WVOF radio show?  I\'ve been listening, but I don\'t hear anything that akin to the guitar of Mr. Brian May.  Help a brotha out.


last several notes in the guitar solo are harmonlized a-la queen. Its burried down in the album mix, but it sounded funny as hell in the studio.
Title: Dimension 5
Post by: boombox on March 24, 2005, 06:34:28 pm
I noticed it clearly when listening to the album in my car - try it with headphones and it\'ll be really obvious.
Title: Dimension 5
Post by: skalnbyc on March 30, 2005, 04:04:51 am
Quote from: boombox
I noticed it clearly when listening to the album in my car - try it with headphones and it\'ll be really obvious.


Very reminiscent!

I noticed it immediately before this thread came into existence.
Title: Dimension5
Post by: wiredchicken on October 12, 2005, 10:58:53 am
well, i was wonder what the general outlook on this song is.  i really like it.  cant stop listening to it.  but i like most songs that Ron sings on anyway.  i have noticed him getting betetr in the last year too.  

what is everyone elses feelings on this song?

i give thumbs up.
Title: Dimension 5
Post by: Jim Cobb on October 12, 2005, 11:07:02 am
loooooove it.  lyrical content is great too.
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Post by: Mark on October 12, 2005, 11:19:03 am
I typically beg Ron to play it before most shows that I am at. It rarely gets played. His comment was it looked like me and him were about the only people who liked it. I am glad to hear other people starting to take note of this song, definitely one of my favs.

Wiredchicken-good meeting you at Porter\'s!
Title: Dimension 5
Post by: wiredchicken on October 12, 2005, 11:37:56 am
yeah, i have been listening to the Utica show from before moe.down and keep going back to this song.  then to hear it again the other night in NJ was great cuase Mason asked Ron to play a Help>Slip>Dimension5 and ron just said one of them is on there. then of course they played Real Radio and we got the Dimension 5.  LOVE IT.


nice to meet you as well, Mark. you will be seeing me again soon. FREAKOUT!
Title: Dimension 5
Post by: Jim Cobb on October 12, 2005, 12:01:17 pm
seriously, D5 makes me grab whoever\'s closest to me that i love and tell them that i love them and give them a big hug.  most recent was bezerker at porters.
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Post by: davepeck on October 12, 2005, 12:05:48 pm
d5 = :thumbsup:
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Post by: jocelyn on October 12, 2005, 01:59:42 pm
Love the song.

The line "The universe, I love like no other" cracks me up though. Other what? The other universe?
Title: Dimension 5
Post by: bezerker on October 12, 2005, 02:02:02 pm
^^^ maybe he means he\'s loved that one like no other in the entire universe
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Post by: jocelyn on October 12, 2005, 02:06:10 pm
Oh heh this is funny... I have always laughed at that line but now realize that he must mean he loves the universe like no one else does. lol. It took actually looking at the words on paper (err, computer screen) to clear that up. I always heard it as him loving the universe like no other universe, and it made me laugh because I for one wasn\'t aware of the existence of other universes.
Title: Dimension 5
Post by: Jim Cobb on October 12, 2005, 02:18:11 pm
rotfl
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Post by: jocelyn on October 12, 2005, 02:33:20 pm
Shut up Jim!
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Post by: Jim Cobb on October 12, 2005, 02:35:49 pm
laughing with you there, not at you. :)
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Post by: Marcial on October 12, 2005, 03:32:35 pm
at first I didn\'t like it... at all... but it has grown on me.
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Post by: FrankZappa on October 13, 2005, 05:51:08 am
Quote from: jocelyn
I always heard it as him loving the universe like no other universe, and it made me laugh because I for one wasn\'t aware of the existence of other universes.

They exsist, most people just can\'t comprehend the concept. A great laymans definition can be found in the short story of Flatland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatland). Of course that was written in 1884 and is designed just to teach you how to think on that level. For more in depth info, read up on super string theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstring_theory):
 
Superstring theory is an attempt to explain all of the particles and fundamental forces of nature in one theory by modeling them as vibrations of tiny supersymmetric strings. It is considered one of the most promising candidate theories of quantum gravity. Superstring theory is a shorthand for "supersymmetric string theory" because unlike bosonic string theory, it is the version of string theory that incorporates fermions and supersymmetry.

The deepest problem in theoretical physics is harmonizing the theory of general relativity, which describes gravitation and applies to large-scale structures (stars, galaxies, super clusters), with quantum mechanics which describes the other three fundamental forces acting on the microscopic scale.

The development of a quantum field theory of a force invariably results in infinite (and therefore useless) probabilities. Physicists have developed mathematical techniques (renormalization) to eliminate these infinities which work for the electromagnetic, strong nuclear and weak nuclear forces, but not gravity. Thus the development of a quantum theory of gravity must come about by different means than were used for the other forces.

The basic idea is that the fundamental constituents of reality are strings of the Planck length (about 10−33 cm) which vibrate at resonant frequencies. The graviton (the proposed messenger particle of the gravitational force), for example, is predicted by the theory to be a string with wave amplitude zero. Another key insight provided by the theory is that no measurable differences can be detected between strings that wrap around dimensions smaller than themselves and those that move along larger dimensions (i.e., effects in a dimension of size R equal those whose size is 1/R). Singularities are avoided because the observed consequences of "big crunches" never reach zero size. In fact, should the universe begin a "big crunch" sort of process, string theory dictates that the universe could never be smaller than the size of a string, at which point it would actually begin expanding.

Number of dimensions
Our physical space is observed to have only four large dimensions, and a physical theory must take this into account, but nothing prevents one from having more than 4 dimensions, per se. In the case of string theory, consistency requires spacetime to have 10, 11 or 26 dimensions. The conflict between observation and theory is resolved by making the unobserved dimensions compact dimensions.

Our minds have a hard time visualizing higher dimensions because we can only move in three spatial dimensions. And even then, we only see in 2+1 dimensions; vision in 3 dimensions would allow one to see all sides of an object simultaneously. One way of dealing with this limitation is to not try to visualize higher dimensions at all but to just think of them as extra numbers in the equations that describe the way the world works. This opens the question of whether these \'extra numbers\' can be investigated directly in any experiment (that must show, ultimately, different results in 1, 2, or 2+1 dimensions to a human scientist). This, in turn, opens the question whether models that rely on such abstract modelling (and potentially impossibly huge experimental apparatus) can be considered \'scientific\'. 6-dimensional Calabi-Yau shapes can account for the additional dimensions required by Superstring Theory.

Superstring theory is not the first theory to propose extra spatial dimensions; see Kaluza-Klein theory. Modern string theory relies on the mathematics of folds, knots, and topology, which was largely developed after Kaluza and Klein, and has made physical theories relying on extra dimensions much more credible.

Number of superstring theories
Theoretical physicists were troubled by the existence of five separate superstring theories. This has been solved by the second superstring revolution in the 1990s during which the five superstring theories were discovered to be different limits of a single underlying theory: M-theory.

The five consistent superstring theories are:

The type I string has one supersymmetry in the ten-dimensional sense (16 supercharges). This theory is special in the sense that it is based on unoriented open and closed strings, while the rest are based on oriented closed strings.
The type II string theories have two supersymmetries in the ten-dimensional sense (32 supercharges). There are actually two kinds of type II strings called type IIA and type IIB. They differ mainly in the fact that the IIA theory is non-chiral (parity conserving) while the IIB theory is chiral (parity violating).
The heterotic string theories are based on a peculiar hybrid of a type I superstring and a bosonic string. There are two kinds of heterotic strings differing in their ten-dimensional gauge groups: the heterotic E8×E8 string and the heterotic SO(32) string. (The name heterotic SO(32) is slightly inaccurate since among the SO(32) Lie groups, string theory singles out a different Spin(32)/Z2.)
Chiral gauge theories can be inconsistent due to anomalies. This happens when certain one-loop Feynman diagrams cause a quantum mechanical breakdown of the gauge symmetry. Having anomalies cancel puts a severe constraint on possible superstring theories.
Title: Dimension 5
Post by: davepeck on October 13, 2005, 06:50:36 am
cliff notes?
Title: I dream of a 20 minute+ D5
Post by: leith on January 14, 2006, 02:33:53 pm
and oh how wonderful it is. I absolutely LOVE this song more and more everytime I hear it . It really calls to the hippie love everyone side of me and is just some of the best singing Ron does.Oh and did I mention the harmonizing? :drool: :drool:
Title: Dimension 5
Post by: Spacey on January 14, 2006, 02:39:47 pm
Agreed.

I would definitely like to see this song open up more. It has great potential for a jam. It would definitely be a cosmic journey to another dimension.

I would like to see more patient and developed jams in 2006.
Title: Dimension 5
Post by: wiredchicken on January 14, 2006, 03:12:57 pm
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I would like to see more patient and developed jams in 2006.


no doubt.
Title: Dimension 5
Post by: WALSH on January 14, 2006, 03:28:06 pm
DEFINITELY MORE PATIENT BUIDING JAMMING.  Not everything has to be balls to the wall right from the git-go.  DYNAMICS!
Title: Dimension 5
Post by: Jim Cobb on January 14, 2006, 04:23:58 pm
UACIII d5 is the tits.
Title: Dimension 5
Post by: Igziabeher on January 14, 2006, 05:00:54 pm
i\'m partial from the one from the last Southbridge show.
Title: Dimension 5
Post by: leith on January 14, 2006, 08:10:33 pm
Quote from: Jim Cobb
UACIII d5 is the tits.

Reason for this thread Brah.
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Post by: Mark on January 16, 2006, 03:36:00 pm
Agree 100%. Absolutely one of my favorites. I always want the end to keep going and never stop, the energy is unreal.
Title: Dimension 5
Post by: FreeSpirit on January 18, 2006, 12:03:07 am
Quote from: leith
Quote from: Jim Cobb
UACIII d5 is the tits.

Reason for this thread Brah.

Anything from UAC III is the 32A, not the 36DDDD, sorry
Title: Dimension 5
Post by: leith on January 18, 2006, 12:29:51 am
Quote from: FreeSpirit
Quote from: leith
Quote from: Jim Cobb
UACIII d5 is the tits.

Reason for this thread Brah.

Anything from UAC III is the 32A, not the 36DDDD, sorry


Hey now Epi 3>Echidna\'s Arf (Of You)>Mayfly was at least DD.
Title: Dimension 5
Post by: Gfunk on January 18, 2006, 01:02:52 pm
:boobies:
Title: Dimension 5
Post by: davepeck on June 07, 2004, 12:42:33 pm
@ DIMENSION 5

I was sitting in my chair
Looking out my window there
Saw a daydream in the sky above

In the clouds I saw your eyes
Violet shades of love shone bright
Nothing in the world could make me care but love

What is this place?
All these beautiful feelings
There is no time
Only vibrations

I lost my outlines
In a madhouse of colors
The universe
I love like no other

The world is a mystery
Locked inside a box
Love is the key that’ll set it free
Home for the new epoch

In my head it was me and you
I held your hand and whispered to
Things that made you blush what a rush I love you

I’d walk forever through this land
Through the deserts, mountains man
Never dreamed I’d be so much in love

What is this place?
All these beautiful feelings
There is no time
Only vibrations

I lost my outlines
In a madhouse of colors
The universe
I love like no other


Title: Dimension 5
Post by: Vassillios on June 25, 2009, 10:59:13 am
still love this song. ron come back and sing it one time
Title: Dimension 5
Post by: Mark on June 25, 2009, 07:50:37 pm
Second that. Done once with GT Boys, perhaps another?
Title: Dimension 5
Post by: WellaShing on July 29, 2009, 10:28:05 pm
Does anyone know the last time this song was played ... or how I can find out ... I\'ve been working my way backwards list by list from 12/31/07 but there has to be a quicker way ... tia - Dan

... is it 5-18-07 ????
Title: Dimension 5
Post by: TeddyT on July 30, 2009, 12:06:27 am
Quote from: WellaShing;237119
Does anyone know the last time this song was played ... is it 5-18-07 ????


I think it might be Tim Palmieri & Friends 2008-12-20: Annex YMA Club; New Haven, CT  (http://thebreakfast.info/forum/showthread.php?t=13592&highlight=dimension)
Title: Dimension 5
Post by: bezerker on July 30, 2009, 12:33:47 am
Quote from: TeddyT;237130
Quote from: WellaShing;237119
Does anyone know the last time this song was played ... is it 5-18-07 ????

I think it might be Tim Palmieri & Friends 2008-12-20: Annex YMA Club; New Haven, CT  (http://thebreakfast.info/forum/showthread.php?t=13592&highlight=dimension)

the actual song was played there but last time the breakfast played it was a while ago.
Title: Dimension 5
Post by: Yoda on July 30, 2009, 08:35:30 am
Quote from: WellaShing;237119
Does anyone know the last time this song was played ... or how I can find out ... I\'ve been working my way backwards list by list from 12/31/07 but there has to be a quicker way ... tia - Dan

... is it 5-18-07 ????


5/18/07 is the last time "The Breakfast" played Dimension 5...  You can check the setlists in The Grand Scheme of Things forum...
Title: Dimension 5
Post by: WellaShing on July 30, 2009, 09:19:14 am
o.k. thanks for the info ... I\'m still trying to figure all the ins and outs of this website ... Yoda,  is there an "every time played" search somewhere or how did you determine that date?  The grand scheme forum seems to be just general discussion ...
Title: Dimension 5
Post by: Yoda on July 30, 2009, 10:42:12 am
Quote from: WellaShing;237144
o.k. thanks for the info ... I\'m still trying to figure all the ins and outs of this website ... Yoda,  is there an "every time played" search somewhere or how did you determine that date?  The grand scheme forum seems to be just general discussion ...


There is no database search like on IHOZ.  Since .org isn\'t active, I compiled the setlists from .info for the years that aren\'t available on setlist.com under Psychedelic Breakfast.  I posted them in TGSOT forum because I don\'t have the access privledges to post them in the correct spot...
Title: Dimension 5
Post by: WellaShing on July 30, 2009, 01:05:48 pm
o.k. thanks ... just DL and listened to 5-18-07 ... tying up loose ends I guess ... I wonder if it will ever make it back in ...
Title: Dimension 5
Post by: Mark on July 30, 2009, 06:32:52 pm
See: Fam Jam V