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Breakfast Babble => Tunage => Topic started by: jking on April 27, 2006, 09:24:11 am
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ok, my theory~
tB knows that they\'re gonna have to play the south. tB also knows that southerners are a little slower and like their music accordingly slower. they\'ve mentioned it before, and i can\'t argue. but, seeing as how they\'re touring more and will be touring even more, they can\'t just skip out on the south, as there\'s a ton of great music fans down here. so what did they do? they came up with a compromise. a southbound-feeling tune that allows them to excel as tB. its not a slower tune, its just a southern groove. i think this tune has the potential to stretch way the hell out then come back to that rollicking, happy groove. and southerners can\'t help but start to shuffle and bop to a good train groove. and that\'s what tricky ways is! so tB added a song for southerners to their repetoire and i, for one *LOVE* it!
that\'s my theory and i\'m sticking to it.
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interesting.
I was wondering what the song was doing in the catalogue.
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well, ronnie and tim and i had a brief discussion about how they\'re too fast and furious for southerners, and i agreed. not all, obviously, but when you have bands like panic and the truckers making headway, rapid-fire, cerebral jams obviously aren\'t what the majority is looking for. so you provide a vehicle to do your thing while still tapping into the sensibilities of the audience. plus, not just southerners like the train/southbound groove, so it\'ll play elsewhere, but will definitely be a gelling point in the south.
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Yeah and they brought back Love Lake because it is a perfect hippy dippy West Coast tune.
Seeing as alot of these songs that are being busted out have been written in some form for a long time(epi3 was written years ago), I doubt they are looking to write songs that are specifically aimed @ a demographic.
Tim is trying to "slow" down his playing in spots but Fast and Furious is what The Breakfast do.
Nice theory though.
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hey now, keep those "fact" things out of my theory thread, yo!
its like showing up with dinosaur fossils at an intelligent design class, geez....
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hey now, keep those "fact" things out of my theory thread, yo!
its like showing up with dinosaur fossils at an intelligent design class, geez....
Totally. Sorry for the intrusion. Back to postulating.
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yeah, that could be why they wrote it. either way, i am glad \'cause it is awesome - totally different than the rest of their songs. i love how they do that sometimes, just come up with something you don\'t expect like when they first wrote question mark in the mind. i know some people probably don\'t like that song, but i like when they play out of character stuff sometimes to break things up a bit.
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It is a good song, and I love the fact that slowly but surely they are slowing it down in spots. Future Peek RUL3Z!
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all i have to say is Tournament of Tunes is going to be TOUGH
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The South Will Rise Again!
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My theory is that this is the worst song in the Breakfast catalogue. In fact, hearing it in Cambridge made me sad. Then they played Wild Pack and I was very happy again.
Perhaps they should only play this in the south then?
Until I realized it was their own song I wondered what cover song it was. With any of the CLASSIC Breakfast songs or great new songs (Psygn, Good Things, Surreal Radio, etc) this never would have been thought for a second.
My favorite band, my least favorite song... I\'d say stick it on the shelf and keep movin forward.
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this song makes me think timmy ray vaughn
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yeah, I always thought SRV sucked and Timmy rules
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yeah, I always thought SRV sucked
you cannot possibly be ser.
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oh I am. Stevies got like 12 licks and 1 tone and 1 style and zero soul
I actually think Tim\'s a much better blues player. And I also don\'t consider what SRV plays to be real blues, because how much blues can you really have right after snarfing up an 8 ball of coke in one line??
Eppy3 @ Iron Horse = better blues playin than I\'ve ever heard from SRV
IMO as a Strat playin guitarist SRV is way over-rated. Second only to "slow hands" Clapton
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oh I am. Stevies got like 12 licks and 1 tone and 1 style and zero soul
I actually think Tim\'s a much better blues player. And I also don\'t consider what SRV plays to be real blues, because how much blues can you really have right after snarfing up an 8 ball of coke in one line??
Eppy3 @ Iron Horse = better blues playin than I\'ve ever heard from SRV
IMO as a Strat playin guitarist SRV is way over-rated. Second only to "slow hands" Clapton
OK I can get someone not liking SRV but saying Tim is a better Blues player is ludicrous.
Really.
Tim is a very good Blues player @ best and he has got to be trying.
As for Clapton you really should relisten to his real Blues work before he got famous, stuff w/ the Bluesbreakers etc.
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thanks, I\'m well aware of Clapton\'s entire library. But you did remind me that some of his older stuff was decent, so I\'ll say he\'s better than SRV.
I say Tim is a better blues player because probably like many people when you think of blues you can actually think of blues. The whole point of blues is playing from the heart. Tacked on to this idea by players like SRV is that you have to play in only a couple major keys; that all you gotta play is 3 or 5 note licks, pause, and repeat... making sure the last note sustains with that predictable tremolo... as well as establishing a pretty limited variation in tempo.
What I\'m saying is people like SRV have made "blues" ultra-predictable, easy on the ears (like pop music), and have basically standardized a number of "blues licks".
This is a bastardization of the genre and the art of playing from the heart.
As everyone here knows Tim has one huge advantage over SRV: he\'s sure as hell not predictable. And Tim doesn\'t settle on something even if it sounds fantastic he\'ll do it different next time even if its not quite as good. Also Tim has thousands of licks instead of SRV\'s 12 licks that are repeated over and over making ever of his songs sound the same.
Plus Tim is:
faster
smarter
taller
way more freakin original
actually changes the tone of his guitar from time to time
Therefore I say Tim is a better blues player than SRV. But thank the good lord Tim rarely plays in the traditional/bastardized "blues" style!
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Tricky Ways sounded to me like it was trying to fit in very smoothly with this style, and IMO had no originality to it. Probably a good song for most other bands, but Breakfast is WAY beyond this IMO.
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Well to each his own.
I have seen all 3 guitarists mentioned more than once and imo SRV was a master everytime. He easily went between pure blues playing and the bastard rock/blues you seem to have contempt for.
Clapton @ points made you remember his past greatness.
Tim playing the blues seems forced. I\'ll give you his creativity as a guitar player is out of this world but in the realm of the blues it seems he is mortal.
Oh and this is by no means a headier than thou post. I can only gauge Tim on what I have seen and heard first hand. That being said, Tim does have the potential to be a great blues player.
I mean he is only what 26? If he focused more on his blues playing and say his cat died(does he even have a cat?) or something like that to make him actually have the blues he would be incredible.
as you said though luckily he does not venture there often.
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bdfreetuna, you really should have seen srv. your opinion would be *completely* different. probably should have seen clapton, too.
tim is an undeniably fantastic guitarist, but that\'s the boldest fucking statement i\'ve ever heard, and, unfortunately, its wildly wrong. i can see why you think that, its just that you\'re wrong. your opinion is valid, but your reasoning isn\'t.
sorry.
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I\'ve seen SRV play live and wasn\'t impressed at all. Whatever... my point is:
Tribal Funk Afflication is the future of dank music! Why should Breakfast bust out cliched blues when they can do stuff like this??
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btw I didn\'t really mean to start trashing and building up various guitar players. Since I am a guitar player I have pretty solid opinions on this stuff, but I know its an argument that goes nowhere cuz its basically all opinion. SRV is obviously very good at what he does, but IMO what he does isn\'t that cool and is pretty limited. IMO what Tim does is supercool and mad diverse. that\'s all :)
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this may be the first time that Leith and I actually agree on something.
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this may be the first time that Leith and I actually agree on something other than Panic.
There ya go.
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clearly this song cannot be escaped! They\'ve played it at like 9/10 of their last shows
what the funk, their are so many dank old school songs that could be raged out during this slot
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they are breaking in all the new songs right now so expect to see it around. timmy ray palms! i\'m still not sure how i feel about this song. it\'s probably my least favorite new tune, but i\'m gonna give it another couple times live to see if it will grow on me. it might have potential to be jammed out nicely.
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being played at every frickin\' show?
Since it\'s introduction on 4/21 it has been played at EVERY show except for 4/25 and 5/4.
Has any song (PB or Bfast) recieved this type of treatment before?
I know Inner Glimpse was played a heck of alot but I don\'t think even it was played as consistently as this song is.
Oh and they\'re really fuckers in that every performance of the song is in a segue, so just deleting the track when burning a show just screws things up. Damn!
OK \'nuff whining.
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lol.... so i\'m not the only one!
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He likes it?????
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He likes it?????
:lol: :that:
I love that song! I\'m glad it\'s being played regularly... it seems like a great n00b intro song for tB - it\'s catchy, fun & a great song to segue into/out of
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Well glad you like it Robyn but as far as a great noob song.
If that was the first song I heard by them I would never listen to this band again.
It\'s as catchy as a bangkok hooker, fun as having your fingernails pulled and a great song to segue out my ass. IMO
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but he really hasn\'t thought about it that much.... :lol:
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nice calculations Leith... I like this song. it is fun. the boys look like they\'re having fun whilst playing it, and it has the potential to be monstrous... seriously.. get Jeff Pevar on slide (or tim for that matter) and see what comes ab00t
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when they debuted \'fresh cut\' they played it non stop also..which was cool because i dig that song. tricky ways on the other hand.....
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Well glad you like it Robyn but as far as a great noob song.
If that was the first song I heard by them I would never listen to this band again.
It\'s as catchy as a bangkok hooker, fun as having your fingernails pulled and a great song to segue out my ass. IMO
lol
Can\'t say I disagree... especially with that first point. People say..."oh its a great song for noobs they all dig it, look at Strange Creek everyone got down" ... I dunno, maybe so. But all the n00bs I\'ve brought to shows recently have agreed this was the worst song in an otherwise extremely kickass show (Cambrige, Southbridge).
People say it\'s catchy.... I dunno about that either.. what\'s catchy to me is that crazy freakin\' guitar rip towards the end of Puppetry.. or the crazy-fast funky part of Gladys.. or the first three chords of Rufus... or a sweet ballad like Good Things or Question Mark and the Mind.
Different strokes for different folks I reckon. But most everyone I\'ve talked to is either luke warm about this song, saying "its a good song for n00bs", or they hate it.
blah blah blah... I really hate talking shit about my favorite band but ever since I first heard this song right after a SICK Rufus in Cambridge.. I was like WTF is this?? To be quite frank, it was a buzzkill.
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So let\'s get the final verdict on this one.....
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Is there supposed to be a poll here or something?
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look again brah.......
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good song, but i would prefer to hear it at richters instead of at a breakfast show.
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if lovin\' tricky ways is wrong then i don\'t wanna be right
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Gotcha.... here\'s what I just wrote in the *other* Tricky Ways thread....
you can probably guess what my vote was ;)
Well glad you like it Robyn but as far as a great noob song.
If that was the first song I heard by them I would never listen to this band again.
It\'s as catchy as a bangkok hooker, fun as having your fingernails pulled and a great song to segue out my ass. IMO
lol
Can\'t say I disagree... especially with that first point. People say..."oh its a great song for noobs they all dig it, look at Strange Creek everyone got down" ... I dunno, maybe so. But all the n00bs I\'ve brought to shows recently have agreed this was the worst song in an otherwise extremely kickass show (Cambrige, Southbridge).
People say it\'s catchy.... I dunno about that either.. what\'s catchy to me is that crazy freakin\' guitar rip towards the end of Puppetry.. or the crazy-fast funky part of Gladys.. or the first three chords of Rufus... or a sweet ballad like Good Things or Question Mark and the Mind.
Different strokes for different folks I reckon. But most everyone I\'ve talked to is either luke warm about this song, saying "its a good song for n00bs", or they hate it.
blah blah blah... I really hate talking shit about my favorite band but ever since I first heard this song right after a SICK Rufus in Cambridge.. I was like WTF is this?? To be quite frank, it was a buzzkill.
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When this song first came out, I hated it! It sounded like many other blues tunes, but then I heard it more & began to really like it.... I had to vote for "Like it sometimes" cuz it\'s getting a bit overplayed at shows, though (IMHO)
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it may just be my n00bish ways, but i fuckin love this song. Listen to the strangecreek version, if you\'re feeling on the fence about this one. "why d\'you have to be so mean??"
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i really think its a great song, no it doesn\'t have time changes or is difficult to play, but its such a great fun high energy blues song...every band i love seeing has at least one of these
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I prefer Memory of a Free Festival when it comes to easy-to-play Breakfast songs...
what ever happened to that gem? :)
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LOVE IT!
There is nothing wong with a classic high energy blues progression with some great lyrics and RAGING solos over it folks.
I could see it getting old if its overplayed due to its simplicity but ...used sparingly I think its a big boost to thier repertoire and a fun tune for all us and any newbs to boogey down to!
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I prefer Memory of a Free Festival when it comes to easy-to-play Bowie songs...
what ever happened to that gem? :)
fixed ;) it gets busted outhere and there.. last time prolly was at Daniel St., 1st part of the encore. homecoming show..
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I really hate talking shit about my favorite band but ever since I first heard this song right after a SICK Rufus in Cambridge.. I was like WTF is this?? To be quite frank, it was a buzzkill.
it\'s not talking shit...it\'s a critique...don\'t feel bad about it. if we all liked the same stuff things would get boring really fast, believe me.
future peek, on the other hand, should be played to open all first and second sets.
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tehnically they don\'t play the whole song just the "chant" but tit\'s a great tune, I remember they opened with it at 4/20/02 amherst just as the sun was comin out from behind a rain cloud it was great....
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Yeah that remains my favorite Memory as well :)
Bluntman and Chronic in the house!!
Gladys Pimp: Celebrate four twenty, four twenty, smoke a bat, ooooh yeah, oohhh yeah
/hijack thread
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come, more "shelve it" votes!!!! I know the TrickyWaysSucks camp is gonna pull ahead sooner or later ;)
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yeah that was tight to open 1st set @ southbridge and also tight for 2nd set opener at Stone Church,.. good shit
thanks btw.... I was starting to think I\'m saying too much shit about Tricky Ways. Like there\'s been 3 or 4 threads about it already and I never hesitate to say how much I think it sucks :P
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to each their own right?
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^^
yeah whateva, where my haters at
;)
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oh I am. Stevies got like 12 licks and 1 tone and 1 style and zero soul
I actually think Tim\'s a much better blues player. And I also don\'t consider what SRV plays to be real blues, because how much blues can you really have right after snarfing up an 8 ball of coke in one line??
Eppy3 @ Iron Horse = better blues playin than I\'ve ever heard from SRV
IMO as a Strat playin guitarist SRV is way over-rated. Second only to "slow hands" Clapton
oh my!!!
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I guess I have to vote for LOVE IT! because I don\'t agree with the other choices. I wouldn\'t go so far as to say it\'s in my top 10 Bfast tunes but I AM a lyric person and I connect with the tunes that have "real world" accessible lyrics. Plus, I don\'t see how a blues jam can possibly be bad?????
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I just dowloaded all of the new songs in the other poll, and I must say that I love Tricky Ways! Quite a departure from the typical B\'fast tune, but it\'s a nice change. Can\'t wait to hear it live.
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The trio version of this song from 8/12 Daniel St. was not bad.
I actually tapped my feet a couple of times ;)
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This song does get better every time they play it.
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This songs shows their true progressive style
it holds a basic blues progression. with blues scales on keys....IMO not bad, but not my breakfast cup of tea
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Good song, just listened to the recent Daniel St. version. I like the Jordan-included versions better, keys jams hit the spot for me.
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@ TRICKY WAYS
Your tricky ways
Why do you play them on me?
Your tricky ways
Why do you play them on me?
I’m always good to you woman
But your love brings me misery
When I get close you push me away
I ask you what’s wrong you got nothing to say
Take my money spend it all in a day
I’m telling you woman there’s gonna be hell to pay
For your tricky ways
Why do you play them on me?
I’m always good to you woman
But your love brings me misery
I’m not perfect, I’ve made some mistakes
You gotta work at love you know its give and take
But be true to me woman or an ass you will make outta
Me and then I’m gonna have to take a break
From your tricky ways
Why do you play them on me?
I’m always good to you woman
But your love brings me misery
Now don’t be mean you’re always quick to judge
You think you know it all you never seem to budge
But I ain’t dumb and I will hold a grudge cause I
Put up with your shit long enough and it sucks
Your tricky ways
Why do you play them on me?
I’m always good to you woman
But your love brings me misery
Your tricky ways
Why do you play them on me?
Your tricky ways
Why do you play them on me?
I’m always good to you woman
But your love brings me misery