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General Discussions => The Great BitTorrent Ball In The Sky => Topic started by: davepeck on December 21, 2004, 06:40:45 am
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haven\'t been able to get on at all for the last 2 days.. fred?
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Originally posted by davepeck
haven\'t been able to get on at all for the last 2 days.. fred?
its probably not coming back, and if it does it wont be a torrent site anymore. other than that i dont really know any more details.
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Suprnova.org has closed down its BitTorrent service for good
Posted by Sean Byrne on 20 December 2004 - 01:45 - Source: SuprNova.org
Just several days ago, the US film industry announced that it is preparing to sue the operators of file sharing servers that assist with or offer unauthorised movies across file sharing networks, primarily BitTorrent and eDonkey. Unlike Kazaa, Gnutella and simialar P2P networks, BitTorrent is run by centralised websites that assist with searches and tracking files (or seeds) on BitTorrent.
Unfortunately, SuprNova.org which operated as a very popular BitTorrent hub has decided to permanently shut down its service for good saying that they are certainly not going to host any more torrent links even if the site does manage to return. Going by the message they left on their home page, it is not clear if there were simply overwhelmed with legal threats or if the movie or music industry had actually filed a suit against them. For now they have decided to keep their IRC servers and discussion forums open. Fr4nz and big-byrd both used our news submit to let us know about the following news:
As posted on the SuprNova.org homepage:
Greetings everybody,
As you have probably noticed, we have often had downtimes. This was because it was so hard to keep this site up!
But now we are sorry to inform you all, that SuprNova is closing down for good in the way that we all know it.
We do not know if SuprNova is going to return, but it is certainly not going to be hosting any more torrent links.
We are very sorry for this, but there was no other way, we have tried everything.
Thank you all that helped us, by donating mirrors or something else, by uploading and seeding files, by helping people out on IRC and on forum, by spreading the word about SuprNova.org.
It is a sad day for all of us!
Please visit SuprNova.org every once in a while to get the latest news on what is happening and if there is anything new to report on.
As we wish to maintain the nice comunity that we created, we are keppig forums and irc servers open.
Thank you all and Goodbye!
sloncek & the rest of the SuprNova Team
This will be surely be a sad time for BitTorrent users, especially those who have used SuprNova.org as their prime site. However like the shutdown of Napster, this does not mean that the peers are going to suddenly give up sharing their content. For these it will mean a bit of time looking for the next best alternative, potentially boosting the amount of content on other file sharing networks.
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wow that sucks.. i didn\'t use it often, but it was great when i needed it..
time to fire up newsbin..
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well, here\'s some more stuff to play with in the meantime..
http://www.btefnet.net/
http://www.torrentspy.com/directory.asp
http://www.torrentreactor.to/
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shitmotherfuckergoddamnitmotherfuckershitgoddamnsonofafuckingbitchinmotherfuckershit,that sucks..wish they let me know a litle ahead of time so i could have gotten more shit,motherfuckergoddamnitsonofafuckincocksuckersonofabitchinmotherfucker.............
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nice wakin\' up to that ;)
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im tellin ya.im goin back to bed now,hopefully this is just a strange,and i mean really strange dream..nightynight!
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thought you were up kinda early
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this really sucks..bersides etree.org,suprnova was where i got all of my shit..it was really convenient to be able to wake up in the morning humming a tune,and within an hour,having the whole album at my disposal..i knew it was totally illegal,and i also knew it was only a matter of time before it came to an abrupt ending,but i wish there was a sign that it was gonna happen...its a sad day in the world of bottorrent file sharing...i cant type anymore about it..i need to cry.
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fred -
http://www.btefnet.net/
http://www.torrentspy.com/directory.asp
http://www.torrentreactor.to/
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i have gotten some good stuff from http://www.gamerzplanet.net/forums. it does not have many torrents at all, but they have had what i was looking for in the past. i think you need to sign up for the forums to access the torrents.
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Originally posted by freddiewaht
this really sucks..bersides etree.org,suprnova was where i got all of my shit..it was really convenient to be able to wake up in the morning humming a tune,and within an hour,having the whole album at my disposal..i knew it was totally illegal,and i also knew it was only a matter of time before it came to an abrupt ending,but i wish there was a sign that it was gonna happen...its a sad day in the world of bottorrent file sharing...i cant type anymore about it..i need to cry.
hey fred, quit complaining and go buy the album if you want it so bad. I\'m not saying i\'ve never downloaded anything, but 99.9% of it has been concert recordings that are legal. and the .1% was some stuff I got during college I dont even listen to. If you like the song, support the artist!
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hey paul,im not sure if you realize what season it is,but all of my spare money is going towards my little girls xmas gifts.shes been good and santas hookin her up..so fuck the artists,and i wont say fuck you because i like ya(even though i just did)!
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Freddie, your a cool guy, but your logic makes absolutely no sence to me. I\'m going to agree to disagree and drop it.
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paul,your an alright guy yourself,please explain to me how my logic makes no sense to you..im dyin to know what you dont get about what i said...and for future reference,when a debate is about to begin,the worst thing to do is drop it..respond,ill stick around awaiting your point,or lackthereof...
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is not
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my point is that this dude gets on,passes quick judgement on me,then dosent have enough of a sack to respond when i ask him what he means..thats ball less.something i would totally expect from someone with a huge pb brain tatooed on his arm!!
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Why are people surprised when websites get shut down for breaking the law? There is a reason E-Tree works so hard at keeping its nose clean.
If you want to steal a commercial product then walk into a store and shove it inside your jacket or down your pants. Don\'t hide behind a computer.
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your also the dude who goes to the store to buy lars ulrich spoken word cds...get a clue.if websites are gonna host something i like or want,im gonna download.simply put,nuff said.
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Originally posted by obsession600
Why are people surprised when websites get shut down for breaking the law? There is a reason E-Tree works so hard at keeping its nose clean.
If you want to steal a commercial product then walk into a store and shove it inside your jacket or down your pants. Don\'t hide behind a computer.
bittorrent was intended to distribute public domain software. These web sites arent breaking the law. its users are. The pirated software is on the users hard drives. They are not on the web sites.
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Originally posted by freddiewaht
hey paul,im not sure if you realize what season it is,but all of my spare money is going towards my little girls xmas gifts.shes been good and santas hookin her up..so fuck the artists,and i wont say fuck you because i like ya(even though i just did)!
ok freddie, according to this statment, 100% of your spare funds are going twoards your daughters presents (congradulations if true, very noble). Now, if that is the money that you normally spend on music, then you have two options:
1. steal the music and \'fuck the artists\'
2. wait until after the holidays and then buy more music.
My issue is that in this situation, I would simply wait untill I had the money again, and then buy the album instead of \'fucking the artists\'. (Or go get a second job and earn some extra cash so that I could afford it now). There are thousands of cd\'s I want and don\'t own yet, but in time I will by purchasing them. Spend your money on your daughter.
~end
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paul,your not ser are you?think about it,its stupid to not take advantage of it if you can.downloading 11 bob marley albums on one torrent isnt in any way gonna hurt bab marley..to me,it was convenient,and when i got highspeed internet,the first thing i said was gonna do was take advantage of it.paul,so if you so dead set against using these means,would you agree that using pirate computer software is just as bad?do you know anything about this issue??
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Originally posted by FrankZappa
My issue is that in this situation, I would simply wait untill I had the money again, and then buy the album instead of \'fucking the artists\'. (Or go get a second job and earn some extra cash so that I could afford it now). There are thousands of cd\'s I want and don\'t own yet, but in time I will by purchasing them.
So Paul, will you be buying the Vegas Video / DVD Architect bundle with your Christmas money? I\'ll have to come over and try it out when you get it. I heard its SER.
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Originally posted by freddiewaht
your also the dude who goes to the store to buy lars ulrich spoken word cds...get a clue.if websites are gonna host something i like or want,im gonna download.simply put,nuff said.
This is what you call a debate? I did not say you could not download it, just don\'t complain when the law steps in to stop it.
Suprnova hosted torrents that distributed illegal copies of commercial releases. They could have regulated the torrents but they chose not to. That is why they got shut down.
p.s. Lars sucks
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Originally posted by obsession600
Why are people surprised when websites get shut down for breaking the law? There is a reason E-Tree works so hard at keeping its nose clean.
If you want to steal a commercial product then walk into a store and shove it inside your jacket or down your pants. Don\'t hide behind a computer.
im glad we agree on that at lesat.my point is that if your not worried about how it looks,or necessarily sounds,places like suprnova were ideal..what do yo uthink about places like kazaa or limewire?isnt that pretty much the same thing except instead of whole abbums,it was individual tracks?
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Originally posted by freddiewaht
what do yo uthink about places like kazaa or limewire?isnt that pretty much the same thing except instead of whole abbums,it was individual tracks?
I think that this is closer to the equivalent of taping songs off the radio. But how many people only download part of an album as opposed to the whole thing? And if you really just want a track or two you can find them for legal download for 99 cents or less. (Hopefully the record companies will start to make their out-of-print back catalogues available as well.)
BitTorrent is a wonderful thing. It is a very easy and effective way to distribute files to the masses.
With great power comes great responsiblity -Aunt May.
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Originally posted by obsession600
I think that this is closer to the equivalent of taping songs off the radio. But how many people only download part of an album as opposed to the whole thing? And if you really just want a track or two you can find them for legal download for 99 cents or less.
A lot of people only want certain songs that are on MTV or radio and they download them because they dont want to pay. Most people who download the whole thing do so because they either want the album before its in stores or they want to see if they like it first.
Paying 99 cents for a song is rediculous. thats even more expensive per song than buying the album. Its compressed audio, sounds like crap, and you have to burn it yourself if you want it on cd.
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From what I understand, it\'s the record labels and not the artists that are getting fucked by "filesharing" or "whathaveyou". I have always thought that bands make the lion\'s share of their money from touring and merch.
If that is true, than I say fuck the fucking record lables.....
Oh and fuck Lars Fucking Ulrich right in his stupid greedy fucking ear.
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Originally posted by ChrisF
A lot of people only want certain songs that are on MTV or radio and they download them because they dont want to pay. Most people who download the whole thing do so because they either want the album before its in stores or they want to see if they like it first.
Paying 99 cents for a song is rediculous. thats even more expensive per song than buying the album. Its compressed audio, sounds like crap, and you have to burn it yourself if you want it on cd.
Every song has a 30 second preview. The preview is usually pulled from the heart of the song and not just the first 30 seconds so you get a true idea of the song and not just an overture. As for getting the whole album before it hits stores record companies have started to watermark the promotional and review versions of major releases to cut down on this. Sometimes they have even customized the watermark to try to track who is leaking albums (every 15 seconds or so the reviewer/publisher name is said over the music).
I know that the iTunes music store uses a compression based on Flac. The songs that I have purchased from them have sounded great on my computer, home stereo and the sound system of the theater that I work at.
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Originally posted by Stephengencs
From what I understand, it\'s the record labels and not the artists that are getting fucked by "filesharing" or "whathaveyou". I have always thought that bands make the lion\'s share of their money from touring and merch.
If that is true, than I say fuck the fucking record lables.....
Oh and fuck Lars Fucking Ulrich right in his stupid greedy fucking ear.
I agree.
Fuck the labels. They have become dinosaurs that are not smart enough to be extinct. Please support your local bands and local songwriters (who make a living from publishing rights).
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Originally posted by obsession600
I know that the iTunes music store uses a compression based on Flac. The songs that I have purchased from them have sounded great on my computer, home stereo and the sound system of the theater that I work at.
It might be lossless, but there is no way thats its FLAC. If this is true, then apple is just as bad as the people downloading music illegally. FLAC is an open source Free Lossless Audio Codec, and profitting off of FLAC would be illegal.
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Originally posted by ChrisF
It might be lossless, but there is no way thats its FLAC. If this is true, then apple is just as bad as the people downloading music illegally. FLAC is an open source Free Lossless Audio Codec, and profitting off of FLAC would be illegal.
Whoops. My bad, it is not based on FLAC. Apple won\'t disclose anything about the code.
Side note: I was under the impression that open source software could be incorporated into a commercial product as long as it was altered to a certain degree (Red Hat Linux, and the other flavors comes to mind). Can anyone explain?
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Originally posted by obsession600
(Red Hat Linux, and the other flavors comes to mind). Can anyone explain?
do they charge for it now? it was a free download when i was using it, however you could buy the manual for $50 and it comes with the cd-roms.
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Originally posted by ChrisF
buy the manual for $50 and it comes with the cd-roms.
You\'re right. They were selling the manual and the cd-roms, not really the program.
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Originally posted by ChrisF
So Paul, will you be buying the Vegas Video / DVD Architect bundle with your Christmas money? I\'ll have to come over and try it out when you get it. I heard its SER.
actually, yes I do plan on buying it.
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so paul,what your teeling me is that yo uuse pirate computer software??talk about the kettle callin the pot green,or something like that...,.
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yea, I knew this was comming.
Call me hipocritcal if you want, but if I am given something that I actually use / like the band, I will still go out and purchase it. The easy way out would be to just use the pirated stuff indefinetly. I could have had everything zappa ever did years ago, but as of now I have barely half the collection - but I\'ve purchased them, and I will continue to because I like the band(s) and I want to support them/him.
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Fred..did u mention when little Livie wants to shake her butt to Britney\'s \'oops i did it again\', and sing along to it...what are ya gonna do, go out and spend 15 bucks on her cd..hell no! DL it and make her happy and us laugh!
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JOHN,YOUR 100%RIGHT
PAUL,YOUR 100%HYPOCRITICAL
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Thanks for the other torrent sites listed above - added to the bookmarks for future reference. As for music, I used to get lots of stuff from a Russian site called grammy.ru, but they have undergone a revamp and have more mainstream stuff these days.
I think pirated music and pirated software are two different things. I do download the odd album/few tracks by bands I don\'t know as a way of finding out what they are like, especially given the price of CDs in the UK. Also for some of the rarer stuff out there, it is often the only way to get it - especially obscure 60s groups.
However, I have absolutely no qualms whatsoever about using copied Microsoft/JASC/Adobe etc software - they make billions out of us all every year and the price of their software is exorbitant. I don\'t mind using slightly older software as long as it does the job. Unfortunately dear Mr Gates is going to continue to get richer just as long as people are daft enough to buy his software.
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I run Linux on my computer only because I detest Microsoft so much. I have even resisted the XBOX and that kills me but FUCK Bill Gates. I mean when the software needs to be fixed and they still release it. This is ridiculous. As far as dl music. I have never been a studio album guy xcept in rare cases . I much prefer live versions and these are usually not put out by the bands thus I have no problems. I think I agree that the companies are fucked but the artists sign w/ these people and contribute to the whole vicious circle so..... I am for the revamping of the industry and it seems to be happening as cd prices are dropping and more and more bands are distributing on the internet. It is time that smaller companies w/ the Artists in mind come to the fore and thus I am buying Real Radio a studio album though I admit I probably would buy it even from Microsoft.
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Originally posted by freddiewaht
JOHN,YOUR 100%RIGHT
PAUL,YOUR 100%HYPOCRITICAL
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