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General Discussions => No Glove No Love => Topic started by: antbach on March 15, 2004, 09:01:47 am
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If anyone is interested in joining a FOR FUN ONLY pool, I set one up on Yahoo! for us. No money, just bragging rights.
Group ID: 46128
Password: vortex
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good idea, ant.. i signed up, but haven\'t made my picks yet...
link:
http://tournament.fantasysports.yahoo.com/men/register/joinprivategroup
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I don\'t gamble.
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Originally posted by tiedyetoga
I don\'t gamble.
no money involved whatsoever
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Better link, this one is for the sign up page.
http://tournament.fantasysports.yahoo.com/men (http://tournament.fantasysports.yahoo.com/men)
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great....i\'ll be in before the first tip
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Originally posted by tiedyetoga
I don\'t gamble.
You know that\'s a lie. Come on now u must mean u do not gamble for $$$$.
Because the way you vote seems to be a gamble to me :)
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I\'m in...Uconn4Life
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Originally posted by tiedyetoga
I don\'t gamble.
Are you not placing a single bet in Vegas? That\'s self-control!
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BTW here\'s the site where you can win a million bucks by picking a perfect bracket. Hard, sure, but someone hit it last year. Free entry!
http://mayhem.sportsline.com/splash/mayhem/spln/opc/free2
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Because the way you vote seems to be a gamble to me :) [/B][/QUOTE]
hey this might be a good time for me to learn how to move a post to different thread...cause here we go again
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Originally posted by Wolfman
Are you not placing a single bet in Vegas? That\'s self-control!
What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. After I conduct all my business, I\'m going to be out of control going wild!!! Viva Las Vegas!!!!
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Originally posted by leith
You know that\'s a lie. Come on now u must mean u do not gamble for $$$$.
Because the way you vote seems to be a gamble to me :)
Oh man.... Its on in Vegas. Round 1.
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OK, I\'m in the pool. Monmouth all the way baby!
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I got some risky risky picks in the pool at my mother\'s work (200+ people at $20 a pop).
Got BC to the elite 8, as well as Florida, NC State and UNC in the final four in one. Western Michigan, Texas, and Charlotte in the elite 8 on the other.
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Tick, tick, tick... 5 minutes to lock \'em in.
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not as much interest I expected, but hey, the seven of us will have a go at it.
National Champion Picks:
Connecitcut - 3 peoples
Stanford - 1
Oklahoma State - 1
Kentucky - 1
Pittsburgh - 1
Didnt really check anyones picks except the final fours, surprised to see so many North Carolinas in there (myself included)
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Anyone else playing hooky from work to watch games?
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nope, get out in 45 minutes, then skipping class to watch games/sleep since I didnt get much sleep last night and had a helluva lot of whiskey. btw Leith, Dark Star was phenomenal.
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46-35 Manhattan with 15:00 to play!! :thumbsup:
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Figures. What era did they play? I guess I can just go to DSO site .
Texas Tech 45 Char 38
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Goddam manhattan...
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I wanted to take Manhattan because picking against the Gators has been the easiest thing to do for 4 years running..they are the new Kansas. If Florida was playing anyone else I woulda picked against them, but I saw Manhattan\'s first round game last year against Oklahoma State and the Jaspers didn\'t even put up a fight, so couldn\'t take them. Oh well. I had Florida losing in round 2, so no big loss there.
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Dave can provide VERIFICATION of these picks since I\'m posting them as Dayton and DePaul play a second overtime. A call was placed to Dave at noon today stating the following:
FINAL FOUR
Georgia Tech
Oklahoma St.
Duke
Connecticut
FINAL
Oklahoma St. vs. Duke
CHAMPION
Duke
UPSET SPECIALS
Texas Tech over St. Joseph
Nevada over Gonzaga
Pitch
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I suck at the NC2A pools....
my final 4
CT
UNC
Ok. State
Ga. Tech
Finals
CT 97
Ga. Tech 85
Uconn....baby
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And after day 1.....I OWN this thing!
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wow in my money pool, not ours, after the early games today Im 19/20 with Charlotte being the only wrong pick. hopefully I\'ll stay hot and take home the $1500 first prize!
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niice pot....The other one I\'m in is a $125 pot...
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Originally posted by realisthis
niice pot....
Yea, thats just a rough estimate, I wont know the exact figures until Monday when the guy sends us all the scores and money breakdown. But it\'s $20 a pop and two offices (North Haven and Boston), so it\'s usually like 200+ people in it. Last year top 6 got $$$, first place was like $1350 or something, I finished 7th, lol.
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Caution: First-round victories do not ensure future success!
I\'ve run a lot of pools, and having the lead at the end of the first weekend is meaningless. Just about everyone has an equal shot after the first 2 rounds, unless your champion got knocked out. Your big picks must still come through! 19/20 is pretty impressive though. I got Pacific today.
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And since I\'m a long-time pool commissioner and numbers geek, I would like to break down and analyze Yahoo\'s scoring system. The scoring system is 1-2-4-8-16-32 points per round.
Good side:
-Nice balance between first 3 rounds and last 3 rounds. Later games are generally worth appropriately more.
-Equal points available each round...consistancy.
-You could argue that there is too much weight in the last 2 rounds. Having one extra team sneak into the Final Four and/or the finals could nullify your opponent\'s consistent dominance in rounds 1-3. However, I like the extra weight because it keeps everyone in it. Nothing makes for a boring pool more than having people basically out of it after the first weekend. Even if you have a bad first weekend, your big picks can still carry the mail.
Bad side:
-Picking the champion is worth just as much as picking the ENTIRE FINAL FOUR? Bad. Picking the champion is just a matter of taking a 1 or 2 seed and writing them all the way in. Last year was an exception, 1-3 seeds almost always win. It\'s always a team that a lot of people have, and is thus not super hard. Picking the entire Final Four is a major accomplishment in bracketeering. I\'ve only had 1 person ever do it in the 5 pools I\'ve run out of about 500-600 total entrants.
- No upset points in round 1. This is such an interesting aspect that can\'t be ignored. There\'s nothing more boring than watching someone who picks nothing but favorites take the lead when there are almost no upsets. It\'s the only round where you know the matchups from the start, so it\'s a perfect time to add this dynamic.
-Too many multiples of 4...too many similar scores and possible ties.
My favorite system is 2-5-10-15-20-25 w/ 3 points for round 1 upsets, or, if I have some dynamic players on my hands, 3 points for upsets seeds 9-11 and 4 points for upsets seeds 12-16. The weighting here is a little different, more emphasis on consistancy throughout the rounds rather than in the last 2 or 3 rounds. It\'s better for most because middle-round games matter more, whereas in the Yahoo system the first 3 rounds mean little. This system thus generates more games that are meaningful. It\'s worse for a few because the most points in my system are scored in rounds 3 and 4, so there\'s always a few people who are more or less out before the Final Four. The 2 points in round 1 throws the last digit of everyone\'s score off, then it stays consistent with the 5\'s and 0\'s, so you never have to worry about a tie, and you always know exactly how many more games you need than the other guy to take him over. Picking the entire Final Four is worth slightly more than twice as much as picking the champ (60 vs 25.) It\'s at least 3 times harder to pick the entire Final Four than just the champion, so this is a good point to be at while still having meaning to your championship game.
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i forgot to get in like a dumb ass....sorry...i do have an entry in on the moe board if you want to take it....my favorite pool wolfy, is a seed pool where you get points solely on the the seed of the team you pick to win, with a bonus for the national champ...theoretically, by picking some upsets,you could win without the national champ but it would be unlikely...it\'s fun and it encourages you to take some chances
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That\'s an interesting idea. I\'d need more detail, but thats ok, I can see where it is going. However, I don\'t like systems where one virtually has to pick the champion to have a chance at winning. Mot systems are like this, and I think the Yahoo! system is dangerously close...we\'ll see. To me, later rounds obviously should be worth more, but at the same time pool victory should be based largely on consistently good picks throughout the difficult matchups in rounds 2-5. Pools with such heavy weight on the champion might as well just ask people for their champion pick, with the other finalist as a tiebreaker, and to hell with the rest of the bracket. That\'s not the way it should be.
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On that note, my super-dirty tiebreaker that I\'ve never gotten to use is simply who made more correct picks. (Or you could think of it as every round is worth 1 point.) A lot of emphasis on round 1, I know, but hey, you knew the matchups from the start! I find this tiebreaker compelling, but ties in the 2-5-10-15-20-25 system are pretty much impossible.
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Not a bad start for my bracket. I had a few gambles backfire (see: Western Michigan), but I\'ve got 15 of my Sweet 16 still alive. Kentucky and North Carolina (my finalists) both scared me this weekend, hopefully they got that out of their system.
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I went 24-8 for the first round, but more importantly, did not lose a Sweet 16 team. And though Wake Forest is one of my Sweet 16 teams, I\'m rooting for the Jaspers tomorrow, and wouldn\'t be shocked if they pulled off the upset.
Pitch
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yeah but you know you cain\'t win......your a mets fan....course...i cain\'t win cause i\'m a dumb ass...but that won\'t keep me from pokin\' fun at you
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I\'m starting to think that you\'re a ROYAL pain
Hardy Har,
Pitch
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chris....watch sports center this am for your royals spring training update with harold reynolds...not to be missed
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after a 19/20 start I went 6/12 in the night games to end the 1st round at 25-7 with 3 sweet 16 teams out :( oh well, got my hopes high for nothing, wonder how im doing in the Breakfast Fans group. . .
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OK, I\'m really letting the geekdom hang loose in this thread...
Consider this when thinking about how much harder it is to pick the Final Four than the champion:
Using only seeds 1-4 in each region, there are 256 possible Final Fours. (4 to the 4th power.) Using only seeds 1-5 in each region, there are 625 possible Final Fours. (5 to the 4th power.) And 5 seeds have a funny habit of having one make it every year.
Most people only consider 1-2 seeds as their champion. Using only 1-2 seeds in each region, there are 8 possible champions. Using only 1-4 seeds, there are 16 possible champions.
Bottom line: It is much, much, much harder to pick the Final Four than the champion. A scoring system should reflect this.
P.S. There are 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 ways to fill out the bracket!!!!! (2 to the 63rd power.)
In case you\'re writing that out on a check, that\'s nine thousand two hundred twenty three thousand trillion three hundred seventy two trillion thirty six billion eight hundred fifty four million seven hundred seventy five thousand eight hundred and eight dollars and zero cents.
:chin: :hscratch: :holyshit: :huh:
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:hscratch:
If you say so, heh
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O man! sound it!
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did anyone else just skim that?
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There is some ser wiring going on in Wolf\'s skull.
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Originally posted by oldnewbie
did anyone else just skim that?
That\'s OK Duane, not everyone can keep up with me ;) These posts are for the Chris Pitches of the world.
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amazingly no one had the Zags getting past Ga Tech next round so it didnt kill anyone. . .
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so how many people\'s brackets just got f\'ed with stanford going out??
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Originally posted by Wolfman
That\'s OK Duane, not everyone can keep up with me ;) These posts are for the Chris Pitches of the world.
oh good
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Mine! Also picked Maryland and Gonzaga....Also, F St. Joes those overrated hawks~
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Yup, I had Stanford winning the championship. For the first time in 7 years, I did not pick Duke (my favorite team) Good luck to everyone else in the pool, nice knowing ya!
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:holyshit: :holyshit: :holyshit:
WOWZERS! Has anyone checked out Yahoo\'s scenario generator?! This thing is awsome baby! Go to your team and hit the scenario generator link. You can see who will win the pool based on any scenario. I used to provide this information for my contestants once the Final Four was decided, but it took me HOURS to compile, projecting everyone\'s score over the 8 possible scenarios in the last 3 games. This thing instantly generates complete pool standings based on any of the millions of possible bracket scenarios that are left.
As it stands, if I hit EVERY game left, I will win the pool over Pecoraro by just 6 points. Looks like Pec is in the driver\'s seat.
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with everything that happened yesterday, i have no idea how i\'m in 1st right now! we all know that can change quickly though..
stanford may have screwed my bracket slightly, but it\'s great news for uconn! :thumbsup:
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I had North Carolina in the finals... I guess I can just sit back and enjoy the tournament now.
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Well depite having only 9 of my Sweet 16 teams alive, I do have 6 of my Elite 8 teams going, plus my entire Final Four. Overall an average weekend for excitement with today being the best.
And Seth, I appreciate your concern for my statisical obsessive-compulsiveness, but I have one question for you: when you\'re watching NCAA Tournament games, do you count the amount of words and/or syllables spoken by the commentators?
Pitch
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Well, I\'m officially gone. With the help of the "scenario generator", I\'ve determined that even if all of my picks are correct (where possible), I\'ll lose to Ant by 1 point. Kentucky, Kenshmucky.
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Originally posted by ChrisPitch
And Seth, ...I have one question for you: when you\'re watching NCAA Tournament games, do you count the amount of words and/or syllables spoken by the commentators?
Pitch
No, I prefer not to listen to the commentators, but I do count the number of steps taken by all players on the floor (while the clock is running.) Funny you should ask too, because today\'s UAB/Kentucky game featured the most steps of any game I have ever counted. UAB, with their full-court press and tenacious double-defense, took an astronomical 21,147 steps! Kentucky took a still way-above-average 18,818 for a grand total of 39,965. Bear in mind tht the general ballpark numbers for an average team is 16,000 SPG and average game is 32,000 total SPG.
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blah.. steps, schmeps... give me a useful statistic for once, wolf...
HOW MANY DRIBBLES????????????
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WOW.
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Originally posted by davepeck
blah.. steps, schmeps... give me a useful statistic for once, wolf...
HOW MANY DRIBBLES????????????
Dribbles are a useless stat. I gave up counting dribbles for steps when I was about 12. Teams with fewer dribbles often win because they are better at passing. Teams that stand around in set offenses generate lots of dribbles, but this does not necessarily indicate scoring. In fact, in blowouts, the losing team almost always has more dribbles because the other team is scoring fast easy buckets on them, often created by strong passing. I find that dribbles are a very weak and inconsistent indicator of success.
Steps, on the other hand, indicate how hard a team is playing. A losing team is always either losing because they are flat-footed, or become flat-footed because they are losing. Teams with more steps win over 92% of the time!
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Holy cow I knew there was a reason I hadn\'t read any of this thread yet....
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C\'mon everybody! Who\'s in for my Divsion III NIT pool? I have Anchorage A&M beating Walla Walla Tech in the final.
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Pitch, I\'ll play, heh. That way I can win and not have a clue about any team in the tournament ala most office pools!
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i\'ve got the mets losing in the second round of that tourney
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and the red sox losing in the final four, triple OT, game winning shot by superstar basketball guru Aaron Boone
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wow....just like before....some things never change
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Originally posted by jocelyn
Holy cow I knew there was a reason I hadn\'t read any of this thread yet....
holy shit...there\'s a girl in here....and watch it...she\'ll make trouble if you give her the chance
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Originally posted by oldnewbie
holy shit...there\'s a girl in here....and watch it...she\'ll make trouble if you give her the chance
and to top that, if she was in this pool she\'s win.
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Originally posted by ChrisPitch
C\'mon everybody! Who\'s in for my Divsion III NIT pool? I have Anchorage A&M beating Walla Walla Tech in the final.
I used to do a 25 cent women\'s tourney pool in high school, I\'d get like 5 people to play.
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25 cents? Wow Seth, glad to hear you take the ladies so seriously.
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It\'s not me, it\'s the market. I tried doing it for $2 and nobody would play. I tried $1 and nobody would play. At a quarter, some people would play. For free nobody would play either because there would be nothing on the line. 25 cents is what the market demanded, and being the entrepreneuring bookie that I am (was), I gave the market what it demanded.
I was quite possibly the only person in the country doing a women\'s money pool at all, it even got guys to watch the women\'s tourney on TV, so I\'d say that I did the ladies a huge favor!
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How bout them Huskies? ;)
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all the way baby....boys AND girls
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Aww man, the scenario generator crashed because there are two 2-seeds. It doesn\'t matter for me, my tourney was done in round 2 when Stanford lost. First time I haven\'t picked Duke in 7 years, they\'re my favorite, I always pick them, but thought I\'d finally go for a change of pace this year. Duke will beat UConn 110-58.
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Duke will beat UConn 110-58. [/B]
you just lost a lot of credibility with me stat man.....and we were gonna sk for your help with THE other thread
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Congrats to realisthis and leith. Using the scenario generator, real wins in any scenario EXCEPT an Oklahoma State National Title, then leith pulls it out. Good job!
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Seems to me like the scenario generator takes a lot of the fun out of it. You know the odds of everything happening, there\'s no anticipation....
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Originally posted by oldnewbie
you just lost a lot of credibility with me stat man.....and we were gonna sk for your help with THE other thread
You\'re right, Duke 110-58 was a silly prediction. Duke 131-20. What\'s the other thead?
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As of this morning Uconn is a 3 point favorite...
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Originally posted by jocelyn
Seems to me like the scenario generator takes a lot of the fun out of it. You know the odds of everything happening, there\'s no anticipation....
Nope, it\'s actually quite the opposite. If you know which scenarios make you win or lose, then the games become much more exciting. If you know for example that you need UConn to win and Georgia Tech to lose (especially if there\'s money in the pool), then the games become way more exciting than if you don\'t know which scenarios win it for you. Without the scenario generator, it would take hours of number crunching every scenario on everyone\'s bracket to figure out if you could win. The scenario generator adds tons of excitement to anyone who still has a chance. (i.e. not me)
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What more can I say?
I\'ve accurately predicted the Final Four. When Duke beats Oklahoma St. in the final, my genius status will be solidified. While I\'m at it, Cubs beat the Yankees in the World Series.
Prog
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The only team I got left is Ok. St. and I got them to win it all. I admit if they take it it was pure luck on my part pickin\' em. I really did not follow college this yr. as my attention has been on the fab 4 and rick. I did see one Ok.St. game and they looked good and they matched up in the brackets pretty well so.....
Oh and the Angels may have something to say abt that other prediction.
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UCONN
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HUSKIES
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UCONN....
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......HUSKIES
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You guys are all fools except ^^^^^^
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I guess Wolfman was right about the Final Four games being weighted too heavily. For Leith, Oklahoma St. winning a game is the difference between finishing second and finishing last. Damn.
On a side note, if Oklahoma St. wins on Saturday, I\'ll be the one finishing last instead of Leith. I suppose I do still have something to cheer for (aside from the mighty Huskies, of course).
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Originally posted by Drew_Kingsley
I guess Wolfman was right about the Final Four games being weighted too heavily. For Leith, Oklahoma St. winning a game is the difference between finishing second and finishing last. Damn.
On a side note, if Oklahoma St. wins on Saturday, I\'ll be the one finishing last instead of Leith. I suppose I do still have something to cheer for (aside from the mighty Huskies, of course).
No shit? Well damn go Cowboys!! This is so funny. LOL whoooo
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i was going to syracuse to watch moe film their dvd on saturday....now i\'m staying home to watch the huskies kick some duke ass!
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Originally posted by oldnewbie
i was going to syracuse to watch moe film their dvd on saturday....
my bus(car pool) leaves for syracuse at 9:30 am (eastern time)
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hey....do you need tix?
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we\'re just gonna get them up there, Im pretty sure its not sold out, even if I did there\'s no way Im goin to CT and back tonight, heh
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wow, what a wierd scenario, I made my 401st post on 4-01, but now its at 402, oh well
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Wow, it\'s noon on Sunday, can\'t believe nobody\'s posted here yet. Well, I\'m a huge Duke fan and I don\'t like UConn (I went to UMass) so I was pretty pissed about the outcome of that game, but I gotta give mad amounts of credit to the Huskies, they are stacked. They only needed Okafor for half the game, and in the clutch, he was the man. He should\'ve gotten player of the year over Jameer Nelson. UConn did the usually impossible task of outplaying Duke in the last 5 minutes of a game, and not only did they outplay them, they completely dominated. Deng is such a moron, taking 4 lousy jumpers down the stretch with Duhon and Reddick in the wings. Coach K should\'ve pulled him right off the floor. I was not happy with the way the refs basically took over the game. It went both ways equally, it just sucked in general, and it really took away from what could have been a better overall game. I have never seen so many fouls called in a game. In the end I really just hope for a great game, so when Okafor went out in the first half, even though I was pulling hard for Duke, I was kind of upset about it. It takes away from the game, and cheapens the win if Duke wins. (If I may digress for a second, I think that the whole concept of fouling out is a horrible concept and should be done away with. A player\'s 5th personal and every personal thereafter should either be automatic double bonus for the other team, or even automatic technical, but not ejection.) So bottom line, highly highly entertaining game although not a "great" game due to the sloppiness and the fact that both starting centers spent more time on the pine than the hardwood!
Good luck to the Huskies on Monday for all you UConn fans, though I can\'t say that I can root for them. Schensher will destroy Okafor!
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couldn\'t have said it better, wolf.. glad uconn won, but easily one of the worst games i\'ve ever sat through because of the way the refs took over the game.. terrible..
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Agree about the oficiating...Cry it up Coach K, they did call fouls against Uconn too...Our star player did sit the whole first hal and we still stayed in it...Looks like its Connecticut in the Championship game on Monday and Tuesday...The Lady Huskies just won and will face Tennessee yet again!
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UCONN double title? Would be neat and if the guys r hoops fans at all maybe it will jack \'em up some more.
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Not gonna happen. I\'m probably the only G tech dude on this board but GO JACKETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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YES, you are the only G tech dude on this board, but surprisingly and I dont think I have too many fellow die hard Husky fans either in here...Oh well, Im heading over to Uconn in 10 min. to watch the game...FUCK GEORGIA TECH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GO UCONN!!!!!!!!!!!
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UConn!
Huskies!
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Too easy. Entirely unfair having 4 guys at 6\'10\'\' on one college team. The Huskies could definitely take on the Bulls or Warriors. Congrats to whoever won the pool too.
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I must be the only CT resident to dislike the Huskies :( Congrats though. . .
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Originally posted by Wolfman
Too easy. Entirely unfair having 4 guys at 6\'10\'\' on one college team. The Huskies could definitely take on the Bulls or Warriors. Congrats to whoever won the pool too.
No college team could ever beat a professional basketball team... even a shitty one. UConn may have 3 or 4 players good enough to play in the NBA, but even my favorite team, the lowly Washington Wizards, have TWELVE.
The same goes 100 times over for a college football team vs. an NFL team, by the way.
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Originally posted by Drew_Kingsley
The same goes 100 times over for a college football team vs. an NFL team, by the way.
now? maybe. . . but I\'d say there are a couple college teams that could have gave the Cardinals a run for their money this year.
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Originally posted by antbach
now? maybe. . . but I\'d say there are a couple college teams that could have gave the Cardinals a run for their money this year.
It comes down to the offensive line. How many college offensive lineman weigh 300lbs. and can actually move? Maybe 30. Every NFL team has at least 3. The NFL QB would have all day in the pocket, and the college quarterback wouldn\'t even get a chance to drop back to pass.
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What have I been saying all season? WHAT!? FUCK ALL YOU HATERS, GOOD NIGHT, SWEET DREAMS, MAYBE NEXT YEAR EVERYBODY...MWAHAHAHA!!!!!!
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:thumbsup: UCONN
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final rankings:
1 Uconn4Life 142
2 Vegas Unbound Wook 137
3 davepeck 124
4 ant\'s picks 88
5 wolfmanwins 66
6 The King Has Spoken 63
7 Leith\'s picks 58
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well.....i won the pool on the moe pt board.....sure wish i\'d got my entry in here....more importantly.....all you college kids can explain what it means to bet $100 on the huskies to win the tourney at 7 to 1.....oh yeah.....party down.....game on
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ahhh, the locker room...you can almost smell it from here.
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Ya\'ll here what UCONN\'s women\'s coach said abt New England ? He said if a UCONN double title happened what\'s nxt Red Sox winning the Series? He then said everyone would have to move out of New England \'cause they would have nothing to complain about" Absolu classic!!!!
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oh.....we\'d still have the weather
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lol yeah i forgot u guys get weather out there
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Originally posted by leith
UCONN double title? Would be neat and if the guys r hoops fans at all maybe it will jack \'em up some more.
Oh yeah! Nice going UCONN now don\'t burn the state down.
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Don\'t worry. At Fairfield, there\'s not a riot to be seen. But at least our football and hockey teams went undefeated!
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don\'t worry.....the clam jam is coming
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Originally posted by Drew_Kingsley
Don\'t worry. At Fairfield, there\'s not a riot to be seen. But at least our football and hockey teams went undefeated!
thats cos your hockey team isnt even in the NCAA anymore ;)
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football either ant
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ahh, no kiddin, I know the hockey team joined the ACHA this year and was pretty dominant, didn\'t know the football team wasn\'t NCAA anymore and still had some organization to play for as a club.
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schools cain\'t afford to add enough girls sports to match the boys as is federally mandated, so the answer is becoming more common to just drop the boys sports, especially one like football that requires a large roster...another example of a good idea taken way too far
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Originally posted by antbach
thats cos your hockey team isnt even in the NCAA anymore ;)
Originally posted by oldnewbie
football either ant
Hey, people got the joke! I was actually regretting that post after I made it, figuring that nobody would pick up on it.
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Originally posted by Drew_Kingsley
Hey, people got the joke! I was actually regretting that post after I made it, figuring that nobody would pick up on it.
i may be dumb....but i didn\'t get this old by being stupid...now....good night
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We both are the champions my friends...