General Discussions => Tribal Funk Affliction => Topic started by: bdfreetuna on October 21, 2011, 11:59:09 am
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: bdfreetuna on October 21, 2011, 11:59:09 am
Tim obviously has the best voice and Adrian could sing Rush songs and stuff with a higher voice.
whats the deal?
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: zuke583 on October 21, 2011, 12:14:40 pm
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Tim obviously has the best voice and Adrian could sing Rush songs and stuff with a higher voice.
whats the deal?
i don\'t think tim\'s voice is obviously the best. and do they play rush songs now?
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: bdfreetuna on October 21, 2011, 12:16:21 pm
yeah but only instrumental Rush songs and that limits them to the ones that aren\'t as good
IMO Kung Fu has some issues vocally and it would be solved if they put Tim on the mic
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: wiredchicken on October 21, 2011, 01:02:11 pm
I think a lot of people would disagree with that.
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: oldnewbie on October 21, 2011, 01:37:07 pm
the two criticisms of this band that i hear
a. too much like phish
b. they cain\'t sing
i\'m not saying i agree. that\'s what i hear from people. i agree that tim should sing more than he does.
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: Branch on October 21, 2011, 01:41:21 pm
sound like phish??? u cant be ser!!!
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: ds673488 on October 21, 2011, 01:43:57 pm
Quote from: oldnewbie;273735
the two criticisms of this band that i hear
a. too much like phish
b. they cain\'t sing
i\'m not saying i agree. that\'s what i hear from people. i agree that tim should sing more than he does.
i only post these days when necessary...but this is necessary:
Kung Fu sounds NOTHING like Phish...they have a completely different style and unique sound from phish. there literally are few/no comparisons i can make between the two bands, except they are both great.
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: bdfreetuna on October 21, 2011, 01:52:21 pm
yeah they don\'t sound like Phish at all
I think Kung Fu would be better if Tim sang, less repetition of sections and phrases, and the keyboards were less choppy and in your face all the time
and also Tim doesn\'t let it loose on the guitar often enough
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: zuke583 on October 21, 2011, 02:37:51 pm
i think the band should get rid of stoops altogether, add a couple tubas, make adrian play with just one hand, and give tim a keytar and a kazoo to replace that stupid guitar
also, rob and dave should switch instruments
but that\'s all
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: oldnewbie on October 21, 2011, 02:50:52 pm
i was refering to the breakfast....not kung fu. the original discussion was tim and adrian singing in kung fu, but i was refering to criticism of the breakfast.....and once again......i didn\'t say that i agreed with either assesment. sorry for the confusion.
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: bdfreetuna on October 21, 2011, 03:13:54 pm
oh that\'s weird..
I think vocally The Breakfast is incredible... between Tim, Jordan, Chris and the occasional Adrian
Sundance is one of the most vocally awesome and complex songs
and I agree with Zuke
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: Mark on October 21, 2011, 03:40:50 pm
I see Kung Fu as primarily an instrumental group, similar in style to the killer jazz/rock fusion bands of the 70\'s.
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: jking on October 21, 2011, 03:58:42 pm
exactly, the style is one of primarily instrumental tunes.
and as much as i love him, tim\'s vocals aren\'t great. they aren\'t bad or awful or anything, but he\'s far too zappa-y and not nearly sing-y enough to be considered a great singer...
again, not a knock, they fit great within certain contexts.
i did, however, have a friend ask me if jordan was an old black dude over the summer. i said no, and he said, \'well, they way he sings, he should be!\' so, yeah, if you can just go ahead and get on that, jordan... lol!!
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: bdfreetuna on October 21, 2011, 04:25:38 pm
Tim\'s voice is peaceful, mellow, and quick and gnarly when need be.
underrated vocalist IMO
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: Rickey Roux on October 21, 2011, 06:48:22 pm
Quote from: Mark;273744
I see Kung Fu as primarily an instrumental group, similar in style to the killer jazz/rock fusion bands of the 70\'s.
:thumbsup:
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: frolfer on October 21, 2011, 09:06:07 pm
I really like the fact that KF is instrumental. Of course someone could sing and it would be great, but the instruments speak for themselves. I could listen to them jam on Actual Proof all day.
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: Igziabeher on October 21, 2011, 10:21:26 pm
not a knock on Adrian or anything, but he\'s far from a great singer. I think he\'s best off focusing on drumming. As for Tim, I\'m sure if he really wanted to, he could get Kung Fu to let him sing a song or two, but I doubt he\'s really interested in it.
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: oldnewbie on October 22, 2011, 12:19:44 am
i think that tim will likely start to sing more with kung fu as he writes more songs for that band. he sings so many nights a month what with being the primary vocalist in the breakfast and all his solo shows. with the breakfast on hiatus and the fu taking more and more of his solo time, i think you will see more eventually. he has to write some material first. i\'m not there to hear adrian sing.
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: Stephengencs on October 22, 2011, 08:21:44 am
Its all about Dave Livolsi..........just wait......and hear...
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: KEN RAFLOWITZ on October 22, 2011, 10:39:09 am
Quote from: zuke583;273740
i think the band should get rid of stoops altogether, add a couple tubas, make adrian play with just one hand, and give tim a keytar and a kazoo to replace that stupid guitar
also, rob and dave should switch instruments
but that\'s all
This is what I would have said, back in my .info wisecrack days. I\'ve changed my ways and will no longer be the .info wiseguy.
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: DiG728 on October 22, 2011, 11:25:32 am
Quote from: Mark;273744
I see Kung Fu as primarily an instrumental group, similar in style to the killer jazz/rock fusion bands of the 70\'s.
Completely agree.
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: bdfreetuna on October 22, 2011, 12:36:08 pm
Quote from: KEN RAFLOWITZ;273767
Quote from: zuke583;273740
i think the band should get rid of stoops altogether, add a couple tubas, make adrian play with just one hand, and give tim a keytar and a kazoo to replace that stupid guitar
also, rob and dave should switch instruments
but that\'s all
This is what I would have said, back in my .info wisecrack days. I\'ve changed my ways and will no longer be the .info wiseguy.
Does this mean Zuke = now Weird Zuke and Ken is back to normal?
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: KEN RAFLOWITZ on October 22, 2011, 01:20:29 pm
Quote from: bdfreetuna;273771
Quote from: KEN RAFLOWITZ;273767
Quote from: zuke583;273740
i think the band should get rid of stoops altogether, add a couple tubas, make adrian play with just one hand, and give tim a keytar and a kazoo to replace that stupid guitar
also, rob and dave should switch instruments
but that\'s all
This is what I would have said, back in my .info wisecrack days. I\'ve changed my ways and will no longer be the .info wiseguy.
Does this mean Zuke = now Weird Zuke and Ken is back to normal?
My normal is weird. Zuke\'s weird is not normal.
Kung Fu is a seriously kick ass instrumental band. Any vocals is just for some fluff. Not a big deal.
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: leith on October 22, 2011, 02:50:15 pm
Tim sings Boon or Boom right?
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: bdfreetuna on October 22, 2011, 11:46:27 pm
Quote from: leith;273775
Tim sings Boon or Boom right?
Right.
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: Yoda on October 23, 2011, 10:19:27 am
KF isn\'t a vocal band... TBs vocals were never great... Ron and Chris can sing well... Tim is okay... Matt always sounded like Peter Brady singing When It\'s Time To Change and Adrian, well, shouldn\'t be singing aside from his part in Buquebus, which Tim seems to have taken over...
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: mvallo on October 23, 2011, 11:22:02 am
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Tim sings Boon or Boom right?
Right.
Boon or Boom is out of the rotation and probably has not been played for a year or more. I asked Tim to play it at a solo acoustic show and he declined. since set lists are not posted and few shows are recored. who knows? maybe its being held back for a studio release?
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: bdfreetuna on October 23, 2011, 02:45:00 pm
and if you don\'t think Adrian can sing...
http://youtu.be/tJmHZ4TFooU
for christsake how do you embed a youtube video on vBulletin??
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: Yoda on October 23, 2011, 04:27:20 pm
Sorry, but I stand by my comment... It\'s not bad, but when he\'s singing, it always sounds like a teenager who had just taken a pull from a helium balloon is singing... That being said, he sure can hit the skins...
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: leith on October 23, 2011, 07:25:23 pm
It\'s always been my belief if their vocals matched their playing they would have been unstoppable. It\'s the number one complaint about The Breakfast which really can\'t be argued against.
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: Yoda on October 23, 2011, 07:43:24 pm
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It\'s always been my belief if their vocals matched their playing they would have been unstoppable. It\'s the number one complaint about The Breakfast which really can\'t be argued against.
The two best vocal tunes they have are Question Mark & The Mind and Vera Street... Neither get love from most fans, but if they did more stuff like that, I\'m betting that they wouldn\'t be going on hiatus and we wouldn\'t have to settle for KF if we wanted some new music from Tm/Adrian...
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: bdfreetuna on October 24, 2011, 12:34:18 am
what are you talking about Question Mark and the Mind never got love?? who doesn\'t love that song?
I stand by my statement... maybe back in 2001 when i first heard PB their vocals weren\'t the strongest.. but as a band they have definitely learned how to sing since then. TB circa 2011 is a vocally dynamic force.
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: Stephengencs on October 24, 2011, 09:50:42 am
Bring Back Breakfast Vocal Jams Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: ChrisF on October 24, 2011, 03:39:39 pm
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Tim sings Boon or Boom right?
Right.
Boon or Boom is out of the rotation and probably has not been played for a year or more. I asked Tim to play it at a solo acoustic show and he declined. since set lists are not posted and few shows are recored. who knows? maybe its being held back for a studio release?
^^ my favorite kung fu song. they must think it sounds too breakfasty or someone in the band has a problem with it, because its too good of a song to just forget about! wtf are tim palmieri fans supposed to do if we cant hear him sing original music with a band while breakfast is on hiatus??? please bring this song back!
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KF isn\'t a vocal band... TBs vocals were never great... Ron and Chris can sing well... Tim is okay... Matt always sounded like Peter Brady singing When It\'s Time To Change and Adrian, well, shouldn\'t be singing aside from his part in Buquebus, which Tim seems to have taken over...
that usually only happens when when the sound guy mutes the drum vocal mic because adrian is not using it, and then he has no idea that it needs to be unmuted when that section comes up, so tim has to take over
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: ds673488 on October 24, 2011, 04:30:47 pm
Quote from: Stephengencs;273795
Bring Back Breakfast Vocal Jams Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wow totally forgot about the tunage vocal jams...thank god those dissappeared
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: ChrisF on October 24, 2011, 04:58:06 pm
Quote from: ds673488;273808
Quote from: Stephengencs;273795
Bring Back Breakfast Vocal Jams Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wow totally forgot about the tunage vocal jams...thank god those dissappeared
its only a couple minutes out of a 160+ min show, dsn00bers! and no one is forcing you to listen to that. let em rest their fingers for a bit so they can bust out some ser biz
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: Yoda on October 24, 2011, 05:40:32 pm
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what are you talking about Question Mark and the Mind never got love?? who doesn\'t love that song?.
When was the last time that was played more than 2 times a year? The band may have a lot of tunes, but they don\'t have the arsenal of say Phish, who can hold out the fan favorites for a "once a tour"...
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: Stephengencs on October 24, 2011, 06:38:57 pm
Quote from: ChrisF;273809
Quote from: ds673488;273808
Quote from: Stephengencs;273795
Bring Back Breakfast Vocal Jams Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wow totally forgot about the tunage vocal jams...thank god those dissappeared
its only a couple minutes out of a 160+ min show, dsn00bers! and no one is forcing you to listen to that. let em rest their fingers for a bit so they can bust out some ser biz
AMEN FITZY!!!!! A-FUCKING-MEN!!! ha...n00bers....
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Post by: Yoda on October 24, 2011, 06:40:27 pm
Quote from: Stephengencs;273811
Quote from: ChrisF;273809
Quote from: ds673488;273808
Quote from: Stephengencs;273795
Bring Back Breakfast Vocal Jams Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wow totally forgot about the tunage vocal jams...thank god those dissappeared
its only a couple minutes out of a 160+ min show, dsn00bers! and no one is forcing you to listen to that. let em rest their fingers for a bit so they can bust out some ser biz
AMEN FITZY!!!!! A-FUCKING-MEN!!! ha...n00bers....
Screw the Tunage vocal jams... Bring back the vocal jams out of Superfly Phatty Fat...
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: bezerker on October 24, 2011, 08:20:16 pm
they arent bringing back shit
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: Yoda on October 24, 2011, 09:11:09 pm
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they arent bringing back shit
Fine... Do a FF and add a hiatus into the mix and play the same 5-10 songs they\'ve been playing for the last year and a half...
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: bezerker on October 24, 2011, 09:16:37 pm
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they arent bringing back shit
Fine... Do a FF and add a hiatus into the mix and play the same 5-10 songs they\'ve been playing for the last year and a half...
what do you expect from a band that has been fading and dying to take a break ? im kind of surprised they are doing this show at all but i guess its suiting for them to do before a hiatus
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: bdfreetuna on October 24, 2011, 09:21:04 pm
I don\'t think The Breakfast has been fading...
maybe they faded a few times over the years.. but now the momentum is right in their favor.
whenever they decide to start playing again I\'m sure it\'ll pick up really well
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: Yoda on October 24, 2011, 09:24:57 pm
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Quote from: Yoda;273820
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they arent bringing back shit
Fine... Do a FF and add a hiatus into the mix and play the same 5-10 songs they\'ve been playing for the last year and a half...
what do you expect from a band that has been fading and dying to take a break ? im kind of surprised they are doing this show at all but i guess its suiting for them to do before a hiatus
Honestly, what they should do is something like they did for the Stolen Equipment Show back in \'01... Now that was a show...
11/25/01 - Toad\'s Place; New Haven, CT / Benefit Concert for Stolen Equipment I: Ahh.. The Name Is Breakfast Baby > Dig*, Escher\'s Etchings, The Great Big Firey Ball In The Sky* > Son Of Simpleton, The Climb**, White Rabbit***+, See The Light+# > Lit^#, Buquebus^^#, King Kong^^^, Spunk@, The Thug Song@@, My Pillow@@, Happy Birthday@@@, Revolution 1%, raffle break, Question Mark And The Mind%%, Sikamikanico%%%, Puppetry$, Beef Barley$$#, My Old School&^^$$+#~, Whipping Post&&^^$$+#~ E: I Know You Rider&&&+#~ * first time played. ** Hubinger Street cover; with Casey & Matt from Hubinger Street on guitars and vocals; first time played. *** Jefferson Airplane cover; with Kyle Esposito on bass; first time played. ^ with Fred DeLeone aka Derf on keys. ^^ with James Albis from The Elastic Band on saxophone. ^^^ with Jeff Gitelman on guitar. @ with Jake Coen on bass. @@ DJ Real cover; with DJ Real on vocals; first time played. @@@ to Jimmy T. (Adrian\'s dad). % Beatles cover; with Mike Greenberg on acoustic guitar and vocals & Jimmy T. on guitar; first time played. %% with Vic Steffens on drums & Adrian on percussion. %%% Red Hot Chili Peppers cover; with Dave Pecoraro on vocals; first time played. $ with Paul from Perpetual Motion Machine on guitar & \'The Arm\' on splash cymbal. $$ with Ben Groppe from Addison Groove Project on saxophone. & Steely Dan cover; with Kyle Esposito on guitar; first time played. && Allman Brothers Band cover; with Callie from Electric Blue & The Kosmik Truth on vocals; first time played. &&& Grateful Dead cover; with Kyle on bass & Callie on vocals; first time played. + with Megan Johnson on vocals. # with TZ on percussion. ~ with Jeff Pevar on guitar.
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: ChrisF on October 24, 2011, 11:32:25 pm
ok
this thread is supposed to be about tim singing kung fu songs
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: ds673488 on October 25, 2011, 10:37:55 am
any thread with people ripping on a newbers comment is a good thread to me...
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: leith on October 25, 2011, 11:08:57 am
bdfreetuna 06:21 PM Yesterday I don\'t think The Breakfast has been fading...
maybe they faded a few times over the years.. but now the momentum is right in their favor.
whenever they decide to start playing again I\'m sure it\'ll pick up really well. Wow is it really optimism or delusional thinking? What possible momentum could u be talking about? The Breakfast is obviously the less viable band for touring and still creating music. The Breakfast will never be what they were without major changes that have nothing to do with the music made on stage. The decision to concentrate on Kung Fu will most likely not get The Breakfast any kind of publicity due to of its members playing as the hiatus will effectively wipe the band from the scene they play in even more than the decision to forgo touring and play only regionally. As for the lack of vocals it\'s pretty clear with Kung Fu they realize the vocal limitations they have and are concentrating on what a jazz fusion type band should. Insane instrumental greatness.
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: Mark on October 25, 2011, 11:34:35 am
or not
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: Vassillios on October 26, 2011, 02:02:25 pm
stoops actually has the best voice in kung fu
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: oldnewbie on October 26, 2011, 02:07:03 pm
Quote from: leith;273832
bdfreetuna 06:21 PM Yesterday I don\'t think The Breakfast has been fading...
maybe they faded a few times over the years.. but now the momentum is right in their favor.
whenever they decide to start playing again I\'m sure it\'ll pick up really well. Wow is it really optimism or delusional thinking? What possible momentum could u be talking about? The Breakfast is obviously the less viable band for touring and still creating music. The Breakfast will never be what they were without major changes that have nothing to do with the music made on stage. The decision to concentrate on Kung Fu will most likely not get The Breakfast any kind of publicity due to of its members playing as the hiatus will effectively wipe the band from the scene they play in even more than the decision to forgo touring and play only regionally. As for the lack of vocals it\'s pretty clear with Kung Fu they realize the vocal limitations they have and are concentrating on what a jazz fusion type band should. Insane instrumental greatness.
tuna has become quite the fluffer hasn\'t he.
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: bdfreetuna on October 26, 2011, 02:32:23 pm
Stoops does not have a good voice and he often says rude things on the microphone. Talking about 10 inch cocks and shit like that.
I know their is momentum in the fanbase because I am friends with a lot of the hardcore fans some who post here and some who don\'t and I know they are all ready to tour Breakfast whenever possible and as excited about the band as ever.
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Post by: inCognito on October 26, 2011, 02:38:10 pm
leith, thanks for covering those bases for me.
by in large when kung fu starts singing, it is for the purpose of funking it up a bit --- which captures a wider audience for the insane prog fusion jams to come. smart moves. it is where the breakfast and raq both lost a wider audience.
imho, it is clear that rob is the frontman, which allows both tim and todd to share the spotlight in a much more egalitarian manner.
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Post by: ChrisF on October 26, 2011, 06:53:06 pm
Quote from: oldnewbie;273844
Quote from: leith;273832
bdfreetuna 06:21 PM Yesterday I don\'t think The Breakfast has been fading...
maybe they faded a few times over the years.. but now the momentum is right in their favor.
whenever they decide to start playing again I\'m sure it\'ll pick up really well. Wow is it really optimism or delusional thinking? What possible momentum could u be talking about? The Breakfast is obviously the less viable band for touring and still creating music. The Breakfast will never be what they were without major changes that have nothing to do with the music made on stage. The decision to concentrate on Kung Fu will most likely not get The Breakfast any kind of publicity due to of its members playing as the hiatus will effectively wipe the band from the scene they play in even more than the decision to forgo touring and play only regionally. As for the lack of vocals it\'s pretty clear with Kung Fu they realize the vocal limitations they have and are concentrating on what a jazz fusion type band should. Insane instrumental greatness.
tuna has become quite the fluffer hasn\'t he.
what tuna is saying might be true in his area. have you been to a northampton show lately , duane? at the iron horse pretty much everyone up front near the stage seems to be between ages 18-21. they obviously havent been been going to breakfast shows for very long since most venues are at least 18+. the last toad\'s show wasnt too bad, but in CT the breakfast mostly plays daniel street and the crowds there in general are too old to build a fanbase of people who will follow them, so thats why you may have a different persepective. but its a stupid subject to discuss at this point
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: oldnewbie on October 26, 2011, 09:28:00 pm
i hate the iron horse. stopped going there two halloweens ago.
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: Igziabeher on October 26, 2011, 09:47:52 pm
that may be your choice, but places like the iron horse and the stone church and even tammany hall have been packing crowds full of a younger fanbase for breakfast shows for the past couple years. i think some people get a skewed perception of how big crowds they bring in by seeing shows in CT(where most of their former fans have become jaded) and NYC(where the entire city is jaded).
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: oldnewbie on October 27, 2011, 12:06:45 am
my choice.....exactly right.....i stopped frequenting venues that treat people shitty. it started with the webster and the iron horse followed quickly behind. thats why i like daniel st (besides the fact it\'s 3 mles away) thats why i\'ve been trying to get back to the spot in providence. that\'s why i never bother going to boston anymore. thats why BAR and anna liffeys are on the fence. i spend cash and tip well and refuse to be treated lousy. i commend tuna for helping push the band in his area and i quite frankly don\'t understand what has happened around here.....but to say "i don\'t think the breakfast has been fading...." is a bit delusional IMHO. i really don\'t want to be negative about it and probably should have stuck to my recent attitude of not saying anything at all......but leith basically expressed my thoughts.
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: bdfreetuna on October 27, 2011, 01:19:37 am
In my area, in New Hampshire for sure, in any place they play in Massachusetts or RI, in Albany or any place in Vermont.
Most of the fans will be there for any show, and the fanbase is growing.
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: Igziabeher on October 27, 2011, 05:06:14 am
its all a moot point anyways. growing fanbases in certain areas aside, they\'re not playing anytime soon.
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: Vassillios on October 27, 2011, 10:11:02 am
kinda sucks bfast isn\'t playing for a while... i haven\'t seen a show in years. kung fu is pretty sick though.
on a side note, any of you CT people who go to BAR, look for my friends\' band "Chamberlin".. not sure when they are playing at BAR, but sometime in the coming weeks.
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: leith on October 27, 2011, 05:06:40 pm
In my area, in New Hampshire for sure, in any place they play in Massachusetts or RI, in Albany or any place in Vermont.
Most of the fans will be there for any show, and the fanbase is growing. [Rep] [!!] Oh yeah that will keep The Breakfast going in the same small region they have overplayed for years. Sure its cool for the hundred or so people they are playing to but does absolutely Nothing for the band in terms of visibility or making a buck. The band won\'t tour so there is no way to gauge if this growing fanbase would actually go on tour. Shit last time they toured in 2006 people had forgotten about them then and they toured 2 years prior. Really made an impression huh? It\'s known they don\'t tour so no one cares anymore outside of the NE. You want The Breakfast around more than the guys in the band I hope you realize that. This hiatus is long overdue as the foot they keep shooting holes through needs to heal. The Breakfast is the new Max Creek so enjoy them when they return but don\'t expect anything more than what you get or rather got the past couple years. For u and the lucky few that live in the small region they play in I\'m sure that\'s all you need. Me I need a band that cares enough to travel to where there are fans and not a band that Expects people to travel to them.
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: bdfreetuna on October 27, 2011, 05:19:53 pm
well that\'s too bad for you not every band tours nationally constantly
plenty of bands find regional success
I don\'t see why The Breakfast can\'t tour regionally and be fairly successful doing so.
There\'s plenty of bands that tour only the midwest or the west coast and are fairly successful doing so.
How about Melvin & JGB.. how often do they leave the west coast? They have a nice following and make decent money.
Bands like Dopapod from Boston are never gonna make it nationally and I\'m sure they don\'t care, they do plenty well around the northeast.
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: leith on October 27, 2011, 05:56:30 pm
You can\'t see why The Breakfast can\'t just tour regionally and be fairly successful? Dude they\'ve been doing that for the past 5 yes 5 years and still are not that successful even in their home region. They have a limited setlist playing the same shitholes and yeah they may be happy and great for them but do you see Jordan quitting his job or The Breakfast having any gigs booked past Friday? Kung Fu is way more successful at the moment and most likely the future. Sure The Breakfast will play again but won\'t touch the success Kung Fu will or even what they once had. It sux but it\'s true unless some serious changes happen in The Breakfast\'s business model plain and simple.
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: oldnewbie on October 27, 2011, 06:50:31 pm
Quote from: leith;273882
This hiatus is long overdue as the foot they keep shooting holes through needs to heal.
you best be careful or you also will be told to go fuck yourself.
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: Igziabeher on October 27, 2011, 08:10:47 pm
why is it assumed that Kung Fu is this massive ball of success that\'s gonna blow thru the country? More power to them if it happens, but they have yet to do anything the Breakfast hasn\'t already. Ooh, they\'re new and different.
And how do playing regional Breakfast shows affect anything to do with Kung Fu? Sorry, you can\'t make it Leith, but plenty of people still are getting their minds opened by the Breakfast up here every time they play around.
So the Breakfast cuts into Kung Fu, but Timmy Tour and Beatles A to Z is a nonfactor? If the whole debt issue is a problem, I really don\'t see what playing a few gigs every couple months at venues they usually kill at is gonna negatively affect that.
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: bdfreetuna on October 27, 2011, 11:03:29 pm
I think if The Breakfast really focused on The Breakfast and had good management and smart booking, in a couple years they could have as many fans as Lotus (which isn\'t really a long shot) and play bigger venues around the northeast... places like Toads, Pearl Street Ballroom, and easily pack The Red Square, Higher Ground, Middle East, Tammany Hall
places like Max Capacity in Chicopee Mass http://newmaximumcapacity.com/
these shows would probably sell out or at least pack em in because most fans in the Northeast are willing to drive a couple hours in any direction on any given weekend.
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: oldnewbie on October 28, 2011, 01:18:52 am
Quote from: bdfreetuna;273889
I think if The Breakfast really focused on The Breakfast and had good management and smart booking, in a couple years they could have as many fans as Lotus (which isn\'t really a long shot) and play bigger venues around the northeast... places like Toads, Pearl Street Ballroom, and easily pack The Red Square, Higher Ground, Middle East, Tammany Hall
places like Max Capacity in Chicopee Mass http://newmaximumcapacity.com/
these shows would probably sell out or at least pack em in because most fans in the Northeast are willing to drive a couple hours in any direction on any given weekend.
sigh
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: leith on October 28, 2011, 06:36:09 am
Be serious Tuna. Of course if the band got serious abt The Breakfast good management may show interest. It\'s not going to happen. They have had numerous chances and like the past five years have always taken the easy route and there is no reason to think it will change. If someone has a good idea and they didn\'t think of it it\'s not that great an idea is what I have gathered from their clown shoes business model. Oh and let them tell me to fuck off its their livelihood they fuck up not mine.
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: Vassillios on October 28, 2011, 09:45:10 am
They are getting older, it\'s not as easy to take risks like it was when you\'re 19
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Post by: ChrisF on October 28, 2011, 11:14:11 am
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They are getting older, it\'s not as easy to take risks like it was when you\'re 19
since this thread wont stay on topic anyway...
the biggest risk they took was trying to continue on without releasing any albums or EPs or anything else. they drew the largest crowds when they were releasing albums every couple years. technology has made it much easier to self produce an album since real radio and moxie epoxy were released.
there should have been an album made when matt oestreicher was in the band, maybe he wouldnt have thought they were going nowhere and he would have stayed in the band so they could have continued to tour. there definitely should have been a studio release with chris deangelis. its a shame to see all those great songs that have been debuted since 2009 going to waste without having a studio recording done. an EP or two at the very least. i think the fans deserved it and it would have also gotten them on satellite/internet radio.
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: Yoda on October 28, 2011, 11:29:42 am
The band started as a bar band with their HS fiends coming to see them... Those friends branched out to college and the music was spread. College gigs were abundant and they grew... They released their best original music on Deuce... Momentum was growing... They won the jammy... Momentum continued to grow... They changed their name - time to start the momentum all over again... Jordan left the band and they had to tour as a trio - time to build momentum again... Matt joined the band and momentum rolled on... Matt left the band, back to the trio and time to rebuild the momentum... Ron left the band, enter Chris - start it all over again... Rumors flew that Stoops was going to join the band or at least be a long term temporary solution to the lack of keys. That lasted for a week at most... Jorand re-joined the band - no touring... Add to the fact that the HS/College fans were growing up, moving out of the area and starting families and you now have 1/2 your fanbase and you have to start all over again... Add KF into the mix and they\'re gaining some success... TB isn\'t a driving force...
Here\'s another added theory... Tim was the main driving force behind new originals... After Reel Radio, the originals took a nose dive... Is it possible that Tim just ran out of material and now the rest of the band had to pick up the slack???
I love what this band was, but I have always said that if they didn\'t play their cards right, that they were going to be just another Max Creek... The difference being, Max Creek draws... You\'re not talking about mainstream music, so you\'re not going to win over mass appeal from fans... With that many changes to the band and then all the side projects, it no wonder that these guys are going on hiatus...
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: Igziabeher on October 28, 2011, 11:38:38 am
its not easy to be successful clearly. don\'t ask me why lotus got such a big following in the past few years cuz they aren\'t even that great. raq started to get some success and it all fizzled out, same goes for brothers past. its a shame that quality bands like those fall through the cracks, but its a tough business and shit happens. i\'m just thankful i\'ve got to spend the last 10 years seeing the breakfast as much as i can, cuz i\'m proud to be part of the best fanbase for the best band ever. if no one else caught on, oh well, but no band will ever do for me what the breakfast has done and i\'m just glad to have been a part of it all.
Max Creek doesn\'t draw shit first of all. and secondly moxie epoxy has songs ten times better than real radio, and thirdly dangle\'s songwriting has been some of the best the band has brought out since Deuce, so I understand your sentiment, but some of those facts are a little off.
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: Yoda on October 28, 2011, 11:50:57 am
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its not easy to be successful clearly. don\'t ask me why lotus got such a big following in the past few years cuz they aren\'t even that great. raq started to get some success and it all fizzled out, same goes for brothers past. its a shame that quality bands like those fall through the cracks, but its a tough business and shit happens. i\'m just thankful i\'ve got to spend the last 10 years seeing the breakfast as much as i can, cuz i\'m proud to be part of the best fanbase for the best band ever. if no one else caught on, oh well, but no band will ever do for me what the breakfast has done and i\'m just glad to have been a part of it all.
Max Creek doesn\'t draw shit first of all. and secondly moxie epoxy has songs ten times better than real radio, and thirdly dangle\'s songwriting has been some of the best the band has brought out since Deuce, so I understand your sentiment, but some of those facts are a little off.
Max Creek may not draw as much now, but they did when PB was on a roll and there were definitely parrallels between the two...
As for Reel Radio vs Moxie Epoxy, that\'s a matter of opinion... But Reel Radio actual has songs that are radio-friendly, which could reach more than some show in bumblefuck New England town in New Hampshire...
The bulk of creative writing came from 2002 or earlier... Yeah, Chris wrote a couple songs and Matt wrote a couple songs, but once Tim stopped writing songs at a maddening pace, the studio albums stopped (and don\'t count a live EP that was only released on the internet)... I loved what this band was, but for the past 2-3 years, they\'ve been a shell of their former selves... Just stale...
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: Vassillios on October 28, 2011, 12:05:43 pm
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: Igziabeher on October 28, 2011, 12:24:06 pm
I don\'t think the (Psychedelic) Breakfast were ever looking to be a radio friendly band. The Grateful Dead and Phish didn\'t become successful by being radio friendly. Nor did WSP, moe., SCI, or the Disco Biscuits. If the key to their success was writing 4 minute radio friendly songs than that ship had sailed a long time ago.
Why they stopped making new albums? I don\'t know for sure, but I\'m sure its along the same lines as why they don\'t tour outside of the Northeast anymore. Selling a couple discs per show won\'t even pay for what it costs to produce the album in the first place.
and have you even been to a show in the past couple years, yoda? i know you got a wife and kids and that part time job at home despot, but to say what they\'ve been doing is stale is complete bullshit.
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: ChrisF on October 28, 2011, 12:51:41 pm
Quote from: Igziabeher;273909
I don\'t think the (Psychedelic) Breakfast were ever looking to be a radio friendly band. The Grateful Dead and Phish didn\'t become successful by being radio friendly. Nor did WSP, moe., SCI, or the Disco Biscuits. If the key to their success was writing 4 minute radio friendly songs than that ship had sailed a long time ago.
Why they stopped making new albums? I don\'t know for sure, but I\'m sure its along the same lines as why they don\'t tour outside of the Northeast anymore. Selling a couple discs per show won\'t even pay for what it costs to produce the album in the first place.
and have you even been to a show in the past couple years, yoda? i know you got a wife and kids and that part time job at home despot, but to say what they\'ve been doing is stale is complete bullshit.
its not the money, because adrian/matt self produced the vessel and kung fu/matt v/tim walsh did the kung fu album. a breakfast album or EPs could have been done the same way, but obviously it wasnt worth their time getting together to work on one because they never did it. its not like 10 years ago when vic steffens was their only option. every other band is self producing their own stuff in protools now. the breakfast are good enough to mix by ear on their own without going to an overpriced studio with an engineer that would put them further into debt.
a new studio release would generate more excitement for the band in general and give them something to hype up for a few months prior to the release and a reason to be in relix or jambase in the news, because those people arent going to write about them for just another random bfast show at sullys
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: Yoda on October 28, 2011, 12:52:56 pm
Quote from: Igziabeher;273909
and have you even been to a show in the past couple years, yoda? i know you got a wife and kids and that part time job at home despot, but to say what they\'ve been doing is stale is complete bullshit.
Last time I saw a show was at Donnegals in \'08 when Matt was still part of the band... See TB doesn\'t play NJ anymore and I\'m not traveling to New England for a one-set show... I\'ve listened to all the recorded shows and they the same songs pretty much at each show... I know they\'re fan favorites, but with over 80 originals to their list, plus covers, there\'s no reason to keep playing virtually the same setlists...
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Post by: bdfreetuna on October 28, 2011, 12:56:49 pm
The songwriting has definitely not taken a nosedive, you can\'t be ser at all..
Existential Funk Shotgun Butterfly Silver Bullet Reel Time Metropolis Eternal Fist A Blessing in the Skies Psygn Rush Synergy Tunage
I\'d say band has released killer material in pretty much every era except the Matt era was a little weak.
Dude they don\'t at all play the same set lists. 4 residency shows with no songs repeated. 4 residency shows in April with no songs repeated and many different songs played from the Stella residency.
I mean... I like hearing them play a lot of the same songs differently and better each time. That\'s why I keep going back. And they do mix in some interesting covers and new tunes here and there to keep it interesting.
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: ChrisF on October 28, 2011, 01:28:52 pm
Rush synergy living daylights metro Reel time were Matt era. World needs us had some great jams and I liked infrequently asked questions a lot
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: Igziabeher on October 28, 2011, 01:36:26 pm
yes but they don\'t play no glove no love or dig anymore, so their song selection has gone to shit ;)
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: Yoda on October 28, 2011, 01:39:12 pm
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4 residency shows with no songs repeated. 4 residency shows in April with no songs repeated and many different songs played from the Stella residency.
Episode 3 was played at the first two shows of the latest residency... And the residency is an animal in and of itself because the same people will go to all the shows... That being said, we have a difference of opinion on what we want for the band... You want success for them, but you\'d be happy if they just continued to play in your backyard and didn\'t grow... For me, hopefully they have a good sendoff with the FF this year; that way, they can move on to the next chapter with a good memory...
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: Igziabeher on October 28, 2011, 01:42:25 pm
Quote from: Yoda;273924
Episode 3 was played at the first two shows of the latest residency...
O\'RLY?
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: Yoda on October 28, 2011, 01:57:56 pm
My bad... I was wrong... Doesn\'t change my opinion...
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: Mark on October 28, 2011, 03:09:51 pm
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and I liked infrequently asked questions a lot
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Post by: Rickey Roux on October 28, 2011, 06:28:51 pm
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i\'m just thankful i\'ve got to spend the last 10 years seeing the breakfast as much as i can, cuz i\'m proud to be part of the best fanbase for the best band ever. if no one else caught on, oh well, but no band will ever do for me what the breakfast has done and i\'m just glad to have been a part of it all.
Amen. Expresses my sentiments exactly.
Title: Why doesn\'t Tim or Adrian sing in Kung Fu??
Post by: Igziabeher on October 29, 2011, 02:03:52 pm
At this point, I would say something to Yoda about mixing up setlists and playing more songs, but since he doesn\'t like anything past Real Radio, he wouldn\'t understand the epicness of Future Peek, Surreal Radio and quite possibly the most beautiful song written, Good Things.